Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 222780 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#86011 Apr 12, 2013
Mary Magdalena wrote:
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"that would be your definition"
So you admit my power of influence.
Look at a small example of my ring of influence.
"
The Universe is commonly defined as the totality of existence, including planets, stars, galaxies, the contents of intergalactic space, and all matter and energy.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe
Translate universe | into French | into German |into Italian | into Spanish
Definition of universe
noun
1 (the universe) all existing matter and space considered as a whole; the cosmos. The universe is believed to be at least 10 billion light years in diameter and contains a vast number of galaxies; it has been expanding since its creation in the Big Bang about 13 billion years ago.
Origin:
late Middle English: from Old French univers or Latin universum, neuter of universus 'combined into one, whole', from uni-'one'+ versus 'turned'(past participle of vertere)
universe in other Oxford dictionaries
Definition of universe in the US English dictionary
http://www.definitions.net/definition/univers...
universe, existence, creation, world, cosmos, macrocosm(noun)
everything that exists anywhere
"they study the evolution of the universe"; "the biggest tree in existence.
http://i.word.com/idictionary/universe
Main Entry: uni·verse
Pronunciation:\ˈyü-nə-ˌvə rs\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin universum, from neuter ofuniversus entire, whole, from uni-+versus turned toward, from past participle of vertere to turn — more at worth
Date: 14th century
1 : the whole body of things and phenomena observed or postulated :cosmos: as a : a systematic whole held to arise by and persist through the direct intervention of divine power b : the world of human experience c (1): the entire celestial cosmos (2): milky way galaxy (3):an aggregate of stars comparable to the Milky Way galaxy 2 : a distinct field or province of thought or reality that forms a closed system or self-inclusive and independent organization 3 : population 4 : a set that contains all elements relevant to a particular discussion or problem 5 : a great number or quantity <a large enough universe of stocks … to choose from — G. B. Clairmont>"
no i admit you used a definition. one of many.

Why don't you just stick to one name for commenting?

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#86012 Apr 12, 2013
Mary Magdalena wrote:
<quoted text>
"that would be your definition"
So you admit my power of influence.
Look at a small example of my ring of influence.
"
The Universe is commonly defined as the totality of existence, including planets, stars, galaxies, the contents of intergalactic space, and all matter and energy.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe
Translate universe | into French | into German |into Italian | into Spanish
Definition of universe
Per http://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/quick...

The word "Universe" is used 4 times in the Bible.
If you check "Other Translations" here, you will find that the term "Universe", as used in the Bible, was not originally used by the MEN (yes, imperfect, fallible, mortal MEN) who actually wrote the Bible. More often, the alternate word/phrased used is "the world".

The CONCEPT of the term "Universe" has changed over time. Up until about 150 AD,(Ptolomy's time), the Universe basically ended with the planet Saturn, with indeterminate "fixed stars" scattered thereafter.

It was only until later TRANSLATIONS of the original texts included the concept of the Universe -- and the word -- as we now use it to be included in the Bible.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#86013 Apr 12, 2013
Mary Magdalena wrote:
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I thought you were intelligent, ok I'll point it out. Human artifacts inside 500 million old coal. man made item inside billion year old rocks.
It's called proof that the scientific dating system is all wet.
All that coal and oil is what would be left behind from a world wide flood. And that coal and rocks would then contain items of a much younger world then science would lead you to believe could happen.
It is more proof of the flood.
No, it is not proof. Not even close. It isn't even half decent evidence.

These tales have the same credibility as stories told by farmers of being abducted by aliens. The iron pot story has grown with the telling. You can read a reasonable explanation here:

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC131.h...

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#86014 Apr 12, 2013
CBOW wrote:
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No, God is. He decided He didn't want our DNA compromised by that of an alien race.
Who told you that?

'Cos I know for damsure it's not in the Bible.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#86015 Apr 12, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
No, it is not proof. Not even close. It isn't even half decent evidence.
These tales have the same credibility as stories told by farmers of being abducted by aliens. The iron pot story has grown with the telling. You can read a reasonable explanation here:
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC131.h...
i love the Abductionist conspiracies...seems that aliens only like to abduct north americans. kinda funny for beings supposedly studying the whole race...

Some people can be made to believe anything

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#86016 Apr 12, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>
So, whats your point here??
Those are all called OOPARTS (out of place artifacts)
AKA fakes and oopsies.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#86017 Apr 12, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>AKA fakes and oopsies.
not one of them has been found in situ, just reported to have been found there...funny that.
FREE SERVANT
#86018 Apr 12, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Per http://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/quick...
The word "Universe" is used 4 times in the Bible.
If you check "Other Translations" here, you will find that the term "Universe", as used in the Bible, was not originally used by the MEN (yes, imperfect, fallible, mortal MEN) who actually wrote the Bible. More often, the alternate word/phrased used is "the world".
The CONCEPT of the term "Universe" has changed over time. Up until about 150 AD,(Ptolomy's time), the Universe basically ended with the planet Saturn, with indeterminate "fixed stars" scattered thereafter.
It was only until later TRANSLATIONS of the original texts included the concept of the Universe -- and the word -- as we now use it to be included in the Bible.
How do you see the 'heaven' as given in Genesis?
FREE SERVANT
#86019 Apr 12, 2013
The Bible tells us God created all things in heaven and earth and Jesus said God is a Spirit who is in Heaven.
KJV

United States

#86020 Apr 12, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong again.

Isn't it amazing how often creationists are wrong.

If you want to claim that a god exists you have to prove it. It is not up to use to disprove your errant claims. Google search the null hypothesis.

We have already given all the evidence necessary to support our claims, yet you idiots never give any evidence, aside from a mouldering old book written by bronze age sheep shaggers, that support your claims.

As far as any debate goes you have lost and will always lose using your approach. That is also why whenever a court case has been brought against creationism in the last 50 years your side has lost. Your side keeps trying to repackage creationism and it keeps losing. I am sure it will lose the latest rounds too. The so called "teach the controversy" is nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt to get creationism into public schools.
Still waiting.......

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#86021 Apr 12, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
The Bible tells us God created all things in heaven and earth and Jesus said God is a Spirit who is in Heaven.
but the bible got that creation story wrong...oops! shoots down both the infallible god and the divine inspiration of the bible in one shot.

it sucks when your cult is shown in the light of reason...

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#86022 Apr 12, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>How do you see the 'heaven' as given in Genesis?
Irrelevant.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#86023 Apr 12, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>How do you see the 'heaven' as given in Genesis?
a myth...

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#86024 Apr 12, 2013
Mary Magdalena wrote:
<quoted text>
I thought you were intelligent, ok I'll point it out. Human artifacts inside 500 million old coal. man made item inside billion year old rocks.
It's called proof that the scientific dating system is all wet.
All that coal and oil is what would be left behind from a world wide flood. And that coal and rocks would then contain items of a much younger world then science would lead you to believe could happen.
It is more proof of the flood.
I don't generally call people names or intimate that they are less then fully functional humans.

I suggest you take some junior college courses in archaeology and paleoanthropology.

Less painful to you, might be signing up to 'Stumble Upon' and using their archaeology or anthropology search criteria. Some amazing things on there for you to discover.

OOPARTS are fully understood, and has no connection whatever to the non-existent Noachian Flood

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#86025 Apr 12, 2013
Mary Magdalena wrote:
<quoted text>
Yea right!
Keep the faith of your Multi myth religion.
Sorry M&M, you seem to be the one who has the faith in a multi-myth religion.

I have faith in logic and science and don't believe in magic.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#86026 Apr 12, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>not one of them has been found in situ, just reported to have been found there...funny that.
*snicker*

Yah.

“ad victoriam”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#86027 Apr 12, 2013
CBOW wrote:
<quoted text>
Evidence of Extraterrestrial origins...
Is what?
KJV

United States

#86028 Apr 12, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>Doesn't matter at all that you don't buy into dating. It's true and it works well. Your denial is just your way to keep the myth alive in your mind.

Hear that....the REAL world is calling you.
Now back to us.

Your science and you claim that the universes is 13.7 billion or 14 billion or 15 billion years old give or take. The exact date is not important at all.
The fact is you and your science agree on one very important item. That item is the universe had a start, A beginning.

The word universe means all matter and space and energy, not that is known but ALL matter, space & energy that would include Multi verses.

So we have a date that science and you agree that the Universe (ALL matter, Space & energy) started. Before the start of the universe there was no matter or space or energy because if there was then there would have been the universe and hence no beginning date that science and you claim was about 14 billion years ago ( give or take a few billion ). So this brings us to the same point that you laugh at Theist about. Your universe model sprang fourth from nothingness.

Nothing then poof everything.
But in your case there is nothing or no reason for this magic to have happened.

Christians have a big advantage to your beliefs we know why and how.

“ad victoriam”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#86029 Apr 12, 2013
Mary Magdalena wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL
"our universe is part of something larger: a multiverse."
This writer does not know common definition of words used daily in science.
And you quote him. LOL
Follow the piper.
What words? Specifically explain yourself or you carry no merit. But it was imaginary that you ever did carry merit.

There is something larger, it was of merit and it wasn't what YOU thought.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#86030 Apr 12, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
The Bible tells us God created all things in heaven and earth and Jesus said God is a Spirit who is in Heaven.
You are being hoodwinked....

The Bible is full of myths, mostly not true happenings.

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