Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 197325 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#85801 Apr 11, 2013
My Portal wrote:
<quoted text>It is good to teach, but do not cast your pearls before swine.
or push your cult to rational people...
KJV

United States

#85802 Apr 11, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
<quoted text>Mutation:

A change in the structure of the genes or chromosomes of an organism. Mutations occurring in the reproductive cells, such as an egg or sperm, can be passed from one generation to the next. Most mutations occur in junk DNA and have no discernible effects on the survivability of an organism. Of the remaining mutations, the majority have harmful effects, while a minority can increase an organism's ability to survive. A mutation that benefits a species may evolve by means of natural selection into a trait shared by some or all members of the species.

http://science.yourdictionary.com/mutation

Mutation is Not about suddenly growing gills. Its any change in the DNA sequence, anything from a tiny point mutation (single nucleotide change)to a whole gene or chromosome duplication.

Even discussing evolution with someone who learned about mutation by watching X-men movies is a waste of time.
"Mutation is Not about suddenly growing gills"

It's not the color of eyes!

And is more along the lines of gills then eye color.
KJV

United States

#85803 Apr 11, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
<quoted text>Black, white, or green, the whole notion that that had a "perfect genome" is impossible, as there is no such thing even in principle.

There is only fitness to the environment, which is a moving target and is different in different times and places. That is why species differentiate from common ancestral populations in the first place.

There can be no perfect man because nobody can simultaneously be black and white, thickly muscled and wiry and fat and short and tall and risk seeking and risk averse and bookwise and streetwise and relaxed and high strung etc etc and all of these qualities may be advantageous or deleterious in different settings.

Variety, not "perfection", is the spice of life and the strength of a species.
""perfect genome" is impossible"

To atheist yes.

With God all things are possible.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#85804 Apr 11, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
""perfect genome" is impossible"
To atheist yes.
With God all things are possible.
Actually, doesn't the bible say Cain bred with the people from the land of Nod?

who created those people?
KJV

United States

#85805 Apr 11, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>sometimes you say, and i quote, "The universe is every bit of matter, space and energy. "

and other times you say god exists outside of the universe...

which is it?

Logic is fun!
Correct !!
You got it!!

God is not matter, space or energy.
You also confuse man made definition
With God. God exist outside of his creation (the universe). Matter, Space and energy does not exist outside of the universe. Mans (Science) definition.
KJV

United States

#85806 Apr 11, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>You cherry pick though, and your dishonesty is shining like a thousand stars.

"The Universe is commonly defined as the totality of existence,[1][2][3][4] including planets, stars, galaxies, the contents of intergalactic space, and all matter and energy.[5][6] The broadest definition of universe is that it is simply everything,

*while a narrower definition is that the universe is limited to what can be observed."

This definition is even narrowed down more.

Definition as connected space-time
See also: Chaotic Inflation theory

It is possible to conceive of disconnected space-times, each existing but unable to interact with one another. An easily visualized metaphor is a group of separate soap bubbles, in which observers living on one soap bubble cannot interact with those on other soap bubbles, even in principle. According to one common terminology, each "soap bubble" of space-time is denoted as a universe, whereas our particular space-time is denoted as the Universe, just as we call our moon the Moon. The entire collection of these separate space-times is denoted as the multiverse.[31] In principle, the other unconnected universes may have different dimensionalities and topologies of space-time, different forms of matter and energy, and different physical laws and physical constants, although such possibilities are purely speculative.
Definition as observable reality
See also: Observable Universe and Observational cosmology

According to a still-more-restrictive definition, the Universe is everything within our connected space-time that could have a chance to interact with us and vice versa.[citation needed] According to

*the general theory of relativity,

some regions of space may never interact with ours even in the lifetime of the Universe, due to the finite speed of light and the ongoing expansion of space. For example, radio messages sent from Earth may never reach some regions of space, even if the Universe would live forever; space may expand faster than light can traverse it.

Distant regions of space are taken to exist and be part of reality as much as we are; yet we can never interact with them. The spatial region within which we can affect and be affected is the observable Universe. Strictly speaking, the observable Universe depends on the location of the observer. By traveling, an observer can come into contact with a greater region of space-time than an observer who remains still, so that the observable Universe for the former is larger than for the latter. Nevertheless, even the most rapid traveler will not be able to interact with all of space. Typically, the observable Universe is taken to mean the Universe observable from our vantage point in the Milky Way Galaxy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe#Etymolo...

You are as biased and dishonest in science as you are in religion.
You have rudimentary understanding and project what you want, the universe is much more than we know, as yet. Still we discover it boundaries are stretched father than we imagine.
We also have discovered our 3 Dimensions can be broken down into two
2 dimensional flat planes , we aren't sure where that will take our understanding. But it is mind boggling, and counter intuitive.
As are many things we have come to understand.

But the one thing we really understand as scientists , is that we cannot
impose limits on what is , or yet to be discovered .
Whether there is anything beyond our universe , dimensionally or physically, we absolutely cannot say yet. But the fact we can break down
3D into 2 2D planes suggests there is something beyond this universe.
This says nothing other then the universe is all space matter and energy.
That Multi universe may exist and not interact with our verse.

The UNIverse is all space matter and energy that exist anywhere.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#85807 Apr 11, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Correct !!
You got it!!
God is not matter, space or energy.
You also confuse man made definition
With God. God exist outside of his creation (the universe). Matter, Space and energy does not exist outside of the universe. Mans (Science) definition.
Sure...god is not energy? so you do believe the universe came from nothing, and you think the evidence based big bang theory is crazy?!?!

cuckoo...cuckoo!

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#85808 Apr 11, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Sure...god is not energy? so you do believe the universe came from nothing, and you think the evidence based big bang theory is crazy?!?!
cuckoo...cuckoo!
And of course if the universe is so complex that it must have had a creator then that same logic demands that god would have to be even more complex and he would need a creator too.

“Seventh son”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

Will Prevail

#85809 Apr 11, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
This says nothing other then the universe is all space matter and energy.
That Multi universe may exist and not interact with our verse.
The UNIverse is all space matter and energy that exist anywhere.
If there is a multiverse, then it tends to reason there is something other than all the matter and energy and space/time we can observe huh?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#85810 Apr 11, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
And of course if the universe is so complex that it must have had a creator then that same logic demands that god would have to be even more complex and he would need a creator too.
New and improved ULTRA-CREATOR!!! call now, operators always have been, and always will be, standing by...
buckwheat

Tulsa, OK

#85811 Apr 11, 2013
My Portal wrote:
<quoted text>Fools rush in where others fear to tread.
Luke 11:23 "Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever …
bible.cc/luke/11-23.htm"W hoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.... as well as those who menaced and excommunicated them for so doing:...
Find a book actually written by god's hand, and quote from that. Yeah, I've heard the stories and excuses, but god nor jesus had ANY part in writing the bible.
Mary Magdalena

United States

#85812 Apr 11, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, doesn't the bible say Cain bred with the people from the land of Nod?

who created those people?
Typo not Nod But God.:)
buckwheat

Tulsa, OK

#85813 Apr 11, 2013
buckwheat wrote:
<quoted text>Exactly! God is just as real as Superman.
Actually, I could be wrong. Superman was an alien, and there is more proof of life on other planets than the existence of god. And who knows how the sun or atmosphere would affect an alien.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#85814 Apr 11, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>New and improved ULTRA-CREATOR!!! call now, operators always have been, and always will be, standing by...
But wait!!!

There's more!

For only three easy payments of 33.33 we will send you not just one new improved ULTRA CREATORS. We will send you two!

Just pay additional shipping and handling.

Level 2

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#85815 Apr 11, 2013
buckwheat wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, I could be wrong. Superman was an alien, and there is more proof of life on other planets than the existence of god. And who knows how the sun or atmosphere would affect an alien.
I saw an Ufoooo :) LoL

Really I'm serious.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#85816 Apr 11, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
But wait!!!
There's more!
For only three easy payments of 33.33 we will send you not just one new improved ULTRA CREATORS. We will send you two!
Just pay additional shipping and handling.
ummm..have you not read the fine print. it is the three in one holy spirit ULTRA-CREATOR!!!8

*not available in Mecca and Tell Aviv.
Mary Magdalena

United States

#85817 Apr 11, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>If there is a multiverse, then it tends to reason there is something other than all the matter and energy and space/time we can observe huh?
If there are Multiverses they would be inside the Universe by definition. Twisting words (all out lying about them) will not win you crap. Go back to your Multi Myths!
Mary Magdalena

United States

#85818 Apr 11, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>And of course if the universe is so complex that it must have had a creator then that same logic demands that god would have to be even more complex and he would need a creator too.
Sub,

Why not answer the questions posed to you? Afraid of the Box?

“Seventh son”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

Will Prevail

#85819 Apr 11, 2013
Mary Magdalena wrote:
<quoted text>
If there are Multiverses they would be inside the Universe by definition. Twisting words (all out lying about them) will not win you crap. Go back to your Multi Myths!
No they all wouldn't have to be, I'm not twisting anything here.
The universe is simply all known matter energy and space/time.
It doesn't mean it isn't possible something is disconnected and exists outside it. You can battle with that all you like, but it is the truth. We can't even observe the totality of this universe, or see the edge, it is possible that if we could.
We might find it is within an even greater universe.
Or there were other universes outside of this one.
We simply cannot say there is, or rule out these possibilities.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#85820 Apr 11, 2013
Mary Magdalena wrote:
<quoted text>
Typo not Nod But God.:)
typos in the divinely inspired bible? i think not...

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