Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 172064 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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KJV

United States

#85681 Apr 10, 2013
Elohim wrote:
<quoted text>I'm sure I do.
Well you're wrong. But that's nothing new for you.
KJV

United States

#85682 Apr 10, 2013
Elohim wrote:
<quoted text>Yes,I know your Jesus fable quite well.
I'm sure you don't.
KJV

United States

#85683 Apr 10, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>Right, so what you're saying is that ALL religions in the world are actually all just great big massive dishonest liars for Jesus? Well done!
No
KJV

United States

#85684 Apr 10, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>No, but they are:

Homo sapiens sapiens

Humano

Humain

Menslike

Mensch

&#1095;&#1077;&#10 83;&#1086;&#1074;& #1077;&#1082;

&#20154;&#30340; (Rén de)

... for example. Note they are all different. Some radically so. Yet they all mean the same thing. This is because they are arbitrary labels.

KJV wrote, "Human who are Christians know they were created as a human whole no mutations required."

No they don't.

KJV wrote, "You and your buddies calling Christians apes because you believe they are is no difference then Charles Darwin calling blacks the inferior race, which he truly believed."

Except you're misrepresenting Darwin for one:

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...

And you're misrepresenting me for another.

And you're misrepresenting evolution.

After all, according to the modern evolutionary synthesis, NO race or species is more or less evolved than another.

Creationism on the other hand claims Adam and Eve were created "perfect", and probably white. Anything different to that is inferior. That's ASTOUNDINGLY racist.

KJV wrote, "Christians are not apes and we don't in general care for your name calling belief that makes you think you are free to call anyone an ape and that's ok to do so."

I don't care that you don't care. You don't care about reality.(shrug)

It is also okay for me to do so for at least two reasons:

1 - Freedom of speech.

2 - It is scientifically correct.

KJV wrote, "Now on the count of three try exhaling and farting at the same time that just might help you pull your head out of your azz......
One, Two, Three!
Damn I was hoping that would work."

My head's not in my azz. You're looking at your own mirror.
"Creationism on the other hand claims Adam and Eve were created "perfect", and probably white. Anything different to that is inferior. That's ASTOUNDINGLY racist."

Your words not ours.

"and probably white". LOL

No you really can't believe this?

Adam and Eve were most likely Black.
KJV

United States

#85685 Apr 10, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>In which case I addressed your concerns while you avoided mine.

The air's fine, I'm nowhere near your head.
"avoided mine. " really bad dude.

There maybe multiverse however they would still be inside of the UNIverse.
Because the universe includes all (not some) yes ALL matter and energy.
Do try and keep up. By the way how's the air in there?

“Rising”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

Milky Way

#85686 Apr 10, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Again wrong. Christianity is a religion started by the Jews. Jesus, Peter, James, John and other majority were all Jews. Do your home work, Dummy.
Yes baboon like , I did say.
Christianity is a Greco Roman invention.
Which relies on the Torah , Paul invented Christianity and then
Constantine founded it in force. You are the sheep it produces.
KJV

United States

#85687 Apr 10, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>I know what the universe is, and is made of.
You want to say it is the absolute limit and nothing exists beyond or outside but it, but you cannot possibly know that. Whats worse is that you're the believer arguing with me it's impossible for your own god to exist. Because if it is limited to this universe it simply does not exist. I'm not arguing it does exist, just laughing at your feeble attempt to conquer science , but are an epic fail.

Why don't you try explaining how your god can exist outside this universe. At least them you would make sense, because at your rate of denial , you will convince me there's no possible way your god exists.^^
You're so twisted

1) those are not my definitions they are from many sources all listed

2) I'm not twisting the definitions at all
I using it as listed.

The universe is every bit of matter, space and energy.

No matter can exist outside of the universe because by definition all matter is in the universe.

This simple definition and concept seems to elude you. Pretty sad where you believe you have to go to protect you belief system.

The Universe is commonly defined as the totality of existence, including planets, stars, galaxies, the contents of intergalactic space, and all matter and energy.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe

Translate universe | into French | into German |into Italian | into Spanish
Definition of universe
noun
1 (the universe) all existing matter and space considered as a whole; the cosmos. The universe is believed to be at least 10 billion light years in diameter and contains a vast number of galaxies; it has been expanding since its creation in the Big Bang about 13 billion years ago.

Origin:
late Middle English: from Old French univers or Latin universum, neuter of universus 'combined into one, whole', from uni-'one'+ versus 'turned'(past participle of vertere)

universe in other Oxford dictionaries
Definition of universe in the US English dictionary

http://www.definitions.net/definition/univers...

universe, existence, creation, world, cosmos, macrocosm(noun)
everything that exists anywhere
"they study the evolution of the universe"; "the biggest tree in existence.

http://i.word.com/idictionary/universe

Main Entry: uni·verse
Pronunciation:\ˈyü-nə-ˌvə rs\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin universum, from neuter ofuniversus entire, whole, from uni-+versus turned toward, from past participle of vertere to turn — more at worth
Date: 14th century
1 : the whole body of things and phenomena observed or postulated :cosmos: as a : a systematic whole held to arise by and persist through the direct intervention of divine power b : the world of human experience c (1): the entire celestial cosmos (2): milky way galaxy (3):an aggregate of stars comparable to the Milky Way galaxy 2 : a distinct field or province of thought or reality that forms a closed system or self-inclusive and independent organization 3 : population 4 : a set that contains all elements relevant to a particular discussion or problem 5 : a great number or quantity <a large enough universe of stocks … to choose from — G. B. Clairmont>

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#85688 Apr 10, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
You're so twisted
1) those are not my definitions they are from many sources all listed
2) I'm not twisting the definitions at all
I using it as listed.
The universe is every bit of matter, space and energy.
No matter can exist outside of the universe because by definition all matter is in the universe.
This simple definition and concept seems to elude you. Pretty sad where you believe you have to go to protect you belief system.
The Universe is commonly defined as the totality of existence, including planets, stars, galaxies, the contents of intergalactic space, and all matter and energy.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe
Translate universe | into French | into German |into Italian | into Spanish
Definition of universe
noun
1 (the universe) all existing matter and space considered as a whole; the cosmos. The universe is believed to be at least 10 billion light years in diameter and contains a vast number of galaxies; it has been expanding since its creation in the Big Bang about 13 billion years ago.
Origin:
late Middle English: from Old French univers or Latin universum, neuter of universus 'combined into one, whole', from uni-'one'+ versus 'turned'(past participle of vertere)
universe in other Oxford dictionaries
Definition of universe in the US English dictionary
http://www.definitions.net/definition/univers...
universe, existence, creation, world, cosmos, macrocosm(noun)
everything that exists anywhere
"they study the evolution of the universe"; "the biggest tree in existence.
http://i.word.com/idictionary/universe
Main Entry: uni·verse
Pronunciation:\ˈyü-nə-ˌvə rs\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin universum, from neuter ofuniversus entire, whole, from uni-+versus turned toward, from past participle of vertere to turn — more at worth
Date: 14th century
1 : the whole body of things and phenomena observed or postulated :cosmos: as a : a systematic whole held to arise by and persist through the direct intervention of divine power b : the world of human experience c (1): the entire celestial cosmos (2): milky way galaxy (3):an aggregate of stars comparable to the Milky Way galaxy 2 : a distinct field or province of thought or reality that forms a closed system or self-inclusive and independent organization 3 : population 4 : a set that contains all elements relevant to a particular discussion or problem 5 : a great number or quantity <a large enough universe of stocks … to choose from — G. B. Clairmont>
sometimes you say, and i quote, "The universe is every bit of matter, space and energy. "

and other times you say god exists outside of the universe...

which is it?

Logic is fun!

“Rising”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

Milky Way

#85689 Apr 10, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
You're so twisted
1) those are not my definitions they are from many sources all listed
You cherry pick though, and your dishonesty is shining like a thousand stars.

"The Universe is commonly defined as the totality of existence,[1][2][3][4] including planets, stars, galaxies, the contents of intergalactic space, and all matter and energy.[5][6] The broadest definition of universe is that it is simply everything,

*while a narrower definition is that the universe is limited to what can be observed."

This definition is even narrowed down more.

Definition as connected space-time
See also: Chaotic Inflation theory

It is possible to conceive of disconnected space-times, each existing but unable to interact with one another. An easily visualized metaphor is a group of separate soap bubbles, in which observers living on one soap bubble cannot interact with those on other soap bubbles, even in principle. According to one common terminology, each "soap bubble" of space-time is denoted as a universe, whereas our particular space-time is denoted as the Universe, just as we call our moon the Moon. The entire collection of these separate space-times is denoted as the multiverse.[31] In principle, the other unconnected universes may have different dimensionalities and topologies of space-time, different forms of matter and energy, and different physical laws and physical constants, although such possibilities are purely speculative.
Definition as observable reality
See also: Observable Universe and Observational cosmology

According to a still-more-restrictive definition, the Universe is everything within our connected space-time that could have a chance to interact with us and vice versa.[citation needed] According to

*the general theory of relativity,

some regions of space may never interact with ours even in the lifetime of the Universe, due to the finite speed of light and the ongoing expansion of space. For example, radio messages sent from Earth may never reach some regions of space, even if the Universe would live forever; space may expand faster than light can traverse it.

Distant regions of space are taken to exist and be part of reality as much as we are; yet we can never interact with them. The spatial region within which we can affect and be affected is the observable Universe. Strictly speaking, the observable Universe depends on the location of the observer. By traveling, an observer can come into contact with a greater region of space-time than an observer who remains still, so that the observable Universe for the former is larger than for the latter. Nevertheless, even the most rapid traveler will not be able to interact with all of space. Typically, the observable Universe is taken to mean the Universe observable from our vantage point in the Milky Way Galaxy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe#Etymolo...

You are as biased and dishonest in science as you are in religion.
You have rudimentary understanding and project what you want, the universe is much more than we know, as yet. Still we discover it boundaries are stretched father than we imagine.
We also have discovered our 3 Dimensions can be broken down into two
2 dimensional flat planes , we aren't sure where that will take our understanding. But it is mind boggling, and counter intuitive.
As are many things we have come to understand.

But the one thing we really understand as scientists , is that we cannot
impose limits on what is , or yet to be discovered .
Whether there is anything beyond our universe , dimensionally or physically, we absolutely cannot say yet. But the fact we can break down
3D into 2 2D planes suggests there is something beyond this universe.

“too hard to handle”

Level 4

Since: Jun 11

butler, pa

#85690 Apr 10, 2013
Goodness has this degenerated into a cowpie slingfest!

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#85691 Apr 10, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
"Creationism on the other hand claims Adam and Eve were created "perfect", and probably white. Anything different to that is inferior. That's ASTOUNDINGLY racist."
Your words not ours.
"and probably white". LOL
No you really can't believe this?
Adam and Eve were most likely Black.
Adam and Eve were most likely non-existent....in fact they WERE non-existent
Tyler in Elsewhere

Elkton, MD

#85692 Apr 10, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
"Creationism on the other hand claims Adam and Eve were created "perfect", and probably white. Anything different to that is inferior. That's ASTOUNDINGLY racist."
Your words not ours.
"and probably white". LOL
No you really can't believe this?
Adam and Eve were most likely Black.
Then you are astoundingly progressive for a creationist. However, it is indeed the creationist argument that Adam and Eve were "genetically perfect."

As I've heard it, the running hypothesis/delusion is that because of their perfect genes (presumably from being directly created by God, I suppose), they and their children were able to inbreed without any adverse effects. After the Fall, the genome started degrading, and has been 'devolving' into random noise ever since.

If that sounded like nonsense to you, then your BS radar might still be functioning.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#85693 Apr 10, 2013
Atheists are well-behaved and we seem to play well with others overall.

Atheists are not in the news, like the Christian right, for getting caught doing things they tell others not to do. You knowthose nasty little sexual things.

Atheists almost always co-exist peacefully with religious believing family and friends.

Atheists pay taxes just like the religious believers do.

Atheists are waaay under represented in jails and prisonswere actually pretty moral people.

Atheists dont start wars on behalf of atheismunlike religion.

They do join the military however, and contrary to clichd belief, they are found in foxholes.

Atheists believe strongly in America and the whole American Constitution, but particularly the First Amendment that separates church and state.

Atheists are secularists who support a government free from influence by any religion. We are not anti-religious, we are Non-Religious.

Atheists dont take up a lot of space. The non-religious/atheist/agnostic members of American society only add up to a little less than 18% of the whole populationbut we are growing.

Atheists make good neighbors. Chances are, if you live next door, or work with an atheist, you will never know it.

Atheists in general, are much more supportive of womens rights and for their right to control their own bodies and lives without church or state interference.

Unlike the religious right people, atheists dont like to get into other peoples business and dictate how they should live.what they should do or not do. You knowlike who you should marry.

Atheists are not known for going door-to-door to convert people to our way of thinking. We are however, known to help our friends and neighbors with no thought of there being a heavenly reward in it for us.

Unlike many of the present Republican presidential candidates and the religious right in general Atheists do not advocate or align themselves with groups who want to take over our government and reshape America into a religiously ruled theocracyyou know, kinda like the Middle Eastern Islamic states.

Atheists, unlike the Republican Right, the Tea-Party, and the religious right, do not go around with guns in meetings and say the President will never take their guns away, or wishing the president would fail and generally disrespecting the President and the office. Or call him ni_ger behind his back.

Atheists mostly do know a lot about religion, as many were raised in a religious family, and they tend to research and know their positions really well. In recent national polling about religious knowledge, atheists knew more than any religious sub-group.

Hmmmcould it becould the atheists actually be better citizens and better people to know than theists??? I know I never disrespect, with malice, someone for believing the wrong thingI just like to get into friendly arguments/debates with them.

And rememberAtheism cures religious terrorism

Level 2

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#85694 Apr 10, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes baboon like , I did say.
Christianity is a Greco Roman invention.
Which relies on the Torah , Paul invented Christianity and then
Constantine founded it in force. You are the sheep it produces.
Then i must be forced to say you are an idiot.
Paul was never the founder of Christianity, Jesus is.

“ IT'S A CHOICE !!!”

Level 5

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#85695 Apr 11, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
The devil and his angels have enslaved as many as they can. The Bible tells us there is a bottomless pit where the fire is never quenched and it is prepared for Satan and his fallen angels. Every person has been given a way of escape from that awful place of torment and faith in Jesus is the way to eternal life in the kingdom of heaven.
Amen brother!
Level 6

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#85696 Apr 11, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
<quoted text>
Amen brother!
Amen to your Amen sister! I've decided to post scripture here, daily, as well! Isn't that great?
Level 6

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#85697 Apr 11, 2013
Yet we have the same spirit of faith as he had who wrote, I have believed, and therefore have I spoken. We too believe, and therefore we speak.
2 Corinthians 4: 13

But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. Hebrews 11: 6

Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.
Romans 3: 28

So Jesus said to them,Because of your unbelief; for assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith as a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain,Move from here to there, and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you. Matthew 17: 20

+++

Thank IANS :D
FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#85698 Apr 11, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
<quoted text>
Amen brother!
Thank you and may God bless you.
FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#85699 Apr 11, 2013
LupyLu wrote:
<quoted text>
Amen to your Amen sister! I've decided to post scripture here, daily, as well! Isn't that great?
Yes, let us read scriptures as they are and the lord will bless. Amen.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#85700 Apr 11, 2013
"Do you like
green eggs and ham

I do not like them,
Sam-I-am.
I do not like
green eggs and ham.

Would you like them
Here or there?

I would not like them
here or there.
I would not like them
anywhere.
I do not like
green eggs and ham.
I do not like them,
Sam-I-am

Would you like them
in a house?
Would you like them
with a mouse?

I do not like them
in a house.
I do not like them
with a mouse.
I do not like them
here or there.
I do not like them
anywhere.
I do not like green eggs and ham.
I do not like them, Sam-I-am."

GE&H
D.Seuss

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