Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 210208 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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CBOW

Abbottstown, PA

#83021 Mar 26, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>so you don't worship god, just jesus? how does that work?
theology is not your forte, is it? what is your forte?
I didn't say that, don't manufacture statements woody. I worship Them Both for They Both are part of Heaven. The Father and the Son. That's HOW IT WORKS.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#83022 Mar 26, 2013
Mark wrote:
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Crick understood this and postulated that it came in from spaceships, because it's all too complex and points to ID. "Panasperma" is the name of his book.
I can find no reference to any such book written by Francis Crick.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#83023 Mar 26, 2013
Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>It has everything to do with false accusations, one was heaped upon me back on page 3960 as I listed previously,seemingly you want to ignore what was thrown my way.Seems you think it is ok when you and your friends hurl insults,but when one is returned you cry FOUL.
Ummm, that was clearly AFTER you hurled such false accusations at me...that is what that post was about!

get a life...you can't even defend your own horrid actions.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#83024 Mar 26, 2013
CBOW wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't say that, don't manufacture statements woody. I worship Them Both for They Both are part of Heaven. The Father and the Son. That's HOW IT WORKS.
So it would matter which book of the bible it was in ans which testament. your ogd told you in no uncertain terms that it is OK for you to own other humans.

how can you justify that? how can you follow such an immoral god?
CBOW

Abbottstown, PA

#83025 Mar 26, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>So it would matter which book of the bible it was in ans which testament. your ogd told you in no uncertain terms that it is OK for you to own other humans.
how can you justify that? how can you follow such an immoral god?
I am not going to repeat myself, read the above post wooody. What's with you?
CBOW

Abbottstown, PA

#83026 Mar 26, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>So it would matter which book of the bible it was in ans which testament. your ogd told you in no uncertain terms that it is OK for you to own other humans.
how can you justify that? how can you follow such an immoral god?
Many incorrectly assume that the slavery in the Old Testament was like the modern western slavery of the 1700's and 1800's. Western slavery primarily benefited the rich, but Israelite slavery primarily benefited the poor. You see, slavery was almost always voluntary...the basic types of "enslavement" are known as self-sale, family sale, and indentured servitude. These relationships were usually initiated by the slave as a remedy for poverty.

Poor families would sometimes sell their children as slaves. Were this situation like modern western slavery, we could justifiably condemn the practice...but the reality is that this was of great benefit to the child.

Slavery contracts often emphasized that the slave agreed to work in exchange for economic security and personal protection. While modern western slaves were forbidden to own property of any kind, Hebrew slaves could take part in business, borrow money, and buy their own freedom...in other words, they were free to "buy out" the contract they'd made. They were also able to own property, pay betrothal monies, and pay civic fines. Slaves could appear in court as witnesses, plaintiffs, and defendants.

Many ancient near-eastern slaves were able to buy time off as well, paying a fixed fee called a "quitrent" to their owner. This bought them a year where they didn't have to work. The amount paid was roughly equivalent to the average annual pay of a hired worker, regardless of whether he was free or a slave.
God didn't condone homosexuality, beastiality, or divorce, yet the Bible speaks of them and God's knowledge of them. If God had physically punished all who did acts not condoned by Him, we would be EXTINCT. Once again, blame God for humanity's decisions and failures. NICE!

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#83027 Mar 26, 2013
CBOW wrote:
<quoted text>Many incorrectly assume that the slavery in the Old Testament was like the modern western slavery of the 1700's and 1800's. Western slavery primarily benefited the rich, but Israelite slavery primarily benefited the poor. You see, slavery was almost always voluntary...the basic types of "enslavement" are known as self-sale, family sale, and indentured servitude. These relationships were usually initiated by the slave as a remedy for poverty.
Poor families would sometimes sell their children as slaves. Were this situation like modern western slavery, we could justifiably condemn the practice...but the reality is that this was of great benefit to the child.
Slavery contracts often emphasized that the slave agreed to work in exchange for economic security and personal protection. While modern western slaves were forbidden to own property of any kind, Hebrew slaves could take part in business, borrow money, and buy their own freedom...in other words, they were free to "buy out" the contract they'd made. They were also able to own property, pay betrothal monies, and pay civic fines. Slaves could appear in court as witnesses, plaintiffs, and defendants.
Many ancient near-eastern slaves were able to buy time off as well, paying a fixed fee called a "quitrent" to their owner. This bought them a year where they didn't have to work. The amount paid was roughly equivalent to the average annual pay of a hired worker, regardless of whether he was free or a slave.
God didn't condone homosexuality, beastiality, or divorce, yet the Bible speaks of them and God's knowledge of them. If God had physically punished all who did acts not condoned by Him, we would be EXTINCT. Once again, blame God for humanity's decisions and failures. NICE!
yes, another cult member trying in vain to explain why theri god could condone owning another human... slavery was voluntary?!? when in the world has nay human ever volunteered to be not free? how is Owning a child born into slavery, as your god CLEARLY says is the law, be someone volunteering to be a slave?

nice try...

your man-made god condoned slavery. you are right, it is the failing of man as humans clearly created the cult you were sucked into.

your cult lioed to you...again...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#83028 Mar 26, 2013
CBOW wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not going to repeat myself, read the above post wooody. What's with you?
you've been repeating yourself since day one.

you can not get away from the fact that your made-up god condoned slavery. I am more moral than the god of your cult.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#83029 Mar 26, 2013
Gillette wrote:
<quoted text>
I can find no reference to any such book written by Francis Crick.
Check, that. It's "Life Itself: Its Origin and Nature."
CBOW

Abbottstown, PA

#83030 Mar 26, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>yes, another cult member trying in vain to explain why theri god could condone owning another human... slavery was voluntary?!? when in the world has nay human ever volunteered to be not free? how is Owning a child born into slavery, as your god CLEARLY says is the law, be someone volunteering to be a slave?
nice try...
your man-made god condoned slavery. you are right, it is the failing of man as humans clearly created the cult you were sucked into.
your cult lioed to you...again...
Once again woody, you are so short sighted you can't grasp that theory of safety in numbers. During the days of the Biblical age, they didn't have the safety nets set up for the under privileged, uneducated or physically impaired people. To sell oneself into slavery WAS INDEED the only way to acquire protection, shelter and regular meals. Bloody hell, you're ignorant. Parents were sending their daughters and sons to work in wealthier homes even into the 1800's. The parents gleaned the profits, not those that worked, uh duh, that would be a form of slavery.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#83031 Mar 26, 2013
CBOW wrote:
<quoted text>
Once again woody, you are so short sighted you can't grasp that theory of safety in numbers. During the days of the Biblical age, they didn't have the safety nets set up for the under privileged, uneducated or physically impaired people. To sell oneself into slavery WAS INDEED the only way to acquire protection, shelter and regular meals. Bloody hell, you're ignorant. Parents were sending their daughters and sons to work in wealthier homes even into the 1800's. The parents gleaned the profits, not those that worked, uh duh, that would be a form of slavery.
those kids weren't OWNED by those wealthy homeowners, were they? keep trying dear...

Wouldn't a god fearing person just given them aid?

we know that human society is far more moral than your mythical god...how can one own another human?

face it, yur horrible, prick of a god was made up by humans.

your cult lied to you...again...

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#83032 Mar 26, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
Of course I typed glycerin instead of glycine, I wish there weren't so many words so similar.
Like "were" and "wear"? Everybody makes typos, poof. Get over it.
Mark

Salem, OR

#83033 Mar 26, 2013
CBOW wrote:
<quoted text>
Slavery was a fact of humanity. So was famine, pestilence, birth defects, baroness and infertility, death. Whatever the sin, it existed because Adam and Eve chose the tree of life, the fruit of knowledge; and with it all the corruption of the world. Once again, you blame God for humanity's short comings. To clarify, not everyone of God's people owned slaves. No rational person would condone homosexuality since it doesn't provide the outcome of the union of two humans, OFFSPRING. Yet it is treated as though it's an alternate lifestyle.
Wasn't the whole Exodus thing about "let my people go", from slavery?
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#83034 Mar 26, 2013
Mark wrote:
<quoted text>
Wasn't the whole Exodus thing about "let my people go", from slavery?
I don't think your God was interested in dissolving the institution of slavery because he disapproved of it on moral grounds -- your Bible God seems pretty damned immoral much of the time.

He just wanted "His" people released. Or so the story goes.

Modern Israeli archeologists have pretty much debunked the whole idea that a large number of Israelites wandered for 40 years in the comparatively small area of the Sinai. They left no artifacts, for one.
Mark

Salem, OR

#83035 Mar 26, 2013
Gillette wrote:
<quoted text>
He never postulated it but rather speculated it.
<quoted text>
Six things Darwin never said – and one he did
http://www.darwinproject.ac.uk/six-things-dar...
"I was a young man with uninformed ideas. I threw out queries, suggestions, wondering all the time over everything; and to my astonishment the ideas took like wildfire. People made a religion of them."
This one is in an article claiming to describe Darwin’s deathbed return to Christianity. His children denied that the author, Lady Hope, was anywhere near Darwin as he was dying, and the story is generally considered to have been fabricated.
<quoted text>
Yes, he mentions the complexity of the eye, then gives THREE PAGES OF EXPLANATION OF THE MANY WAYS THE EYE PROBABLY EVOLVED. And modern science backs him up.
Out of ignorance or rank dishonesty, though, you Christians just mention his opening statement, that the eye may SEEM to be too complex to have evolved.
Heard the eye evolution story, started out as a sensitive spot on an amoeba, comforting stuff like that. A good story for a 3 year old at bed time it seems to me. Why and how would an amoeba decide it needed an eye?

As far as an accurate stmt about what Darwin said or didn't say, I give you that, he does honestly struggle with the issue, I give him that. Goodness, with all that effort to discover something on his trip, finches beaks are still the same 150 years later. Time became the creator. Like the story of the Princess that kisses the frog and gets her prince = a fairy tale, so your side starts with a frog and add's 500 mil years and ends with the same prince and that = scientific?

Actually they now tell us we came from “nocturnal tree dwellers” now, an opossum. They have 2 penises, where the previous connecting species has one, as does the Lemur after the opossum,(that’s a leap!) did his sex drive wake up his DNA one day and say boy, I like that? I actually think that I didn’t come from such a line of creatures, bad heritage you know. How is that different from your amoeba eye story!

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#83036 Mar 26, 2013
Mark wrote:
<quoted text>
Heard the eye evolution story, started out as a sensitive spot on an amoeba, comforting stuff like that. A good story for a 3 year old at bed time it seems to me. Why and how would an amoeba decide it needed an eye?
As far as an accurate stmt about what Darwin said or didn't say, I give you that, he does honestly struggle with the issue, I give him that. Goodness, with all that effort to discover something on his trip, finches beaks are still the same 150 years later. Time became the creator. Like the story of the Princess that kisses the frog and gets her prince = a fairy tale, so your side starts with a frog and add's 500 mil years and ends with the same prince and that = scientific?
Actually they now tell us we came from “nocturnal tree dwellers” now, an opossum. They have 2 penises, where the previous connecting species has one, as does the Lemur after the opossum,(that’s a leap!) did his sex drive wake up his DNA one day and say boy, I like that? I actually think that I didn’t come from such a line of creatures, bad heritage you know. How is that different from your amoeba eye story!
why would your god not give the best eyes to his favorite animals, humans? why would he give the very best eye he ever designede to a tiny shrimp?

your cult makes no sense, but then, can you name any cults that do?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#83037 Mar 26, 2013
Mark wrote:
<quoted text>
Wasn't the whole Exodus thing about "let my people go", from slavery?
and yet your mythical god says slavery is OK...you cult makes no sense...

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#83038 Mar 26, 2013
LupyLu wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL! I knew it!
A gift;
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Thanks. Richard Burton narrates.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#83039 Mar 26, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> You are indeed, a nut.
All religions are based on faith.
No, they're all based on myth, with a heavy dose of chicanery.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#83040 Mar 26, 2013
Gillette wrote:
<quoted text>
It "fits for you" solely because of your a priori fundamentalist Christian Bible beliefs which require the acceptance of the Genesis creation myth as literal, factual history (otherwise, in your mind, the entire edifice of Fall/Redemption theology immediately collapses and there would be no need to "believe in Jesus" and no need to be "saved.")
What do the rest of your colleagues make of these supposed anomalies in coal formation? Do they all express shock and the reversion of their beliefs into Young Earth?
Let me ask you something I have repeatedly asked of Christian YECs here on TOPIX and never gotten a response. It seems like a reasonable question to me:
Can you give us the name of one qualified working PhD biologist or geologist who is NOT a Christian and NOT religious, but yet who thinks the world is only 6000 years old and humanity sprang from two first humans 6000 years ago BASED SOLELY ON THE EVIDENCE?
No, but he can tell you about this guy he knew who also said that he believed the global flood because he looked at some rocks sometime even though that even they couldn't explain it at all in the slightest either.

But then Mark already knows evidence is totally irrelevant to Goddidit with magic.

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