Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 168998 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#82912 Mar 25, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Actually it can, as long as we all agree to speak English. Your problem is you want metaphysical answers to scientific questions or scientific answers to metaphysical questions. Once you realise that ne'er the twain shall meet then the realisation of reality begins to dawn.
Why does some or most dreams come true?
Does it mean that God is communicating to us?
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#82913 Mar 25, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Why does some or most dreams come true?
Does it mean that God is communicating to us?
Sure, why not?

“I Am No One Else”

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#82914 Mar 25, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> English belongs to the English, yes or no?
Did they colonised any colonies?
Did they offer free, expensive or affordable education?
Just answer the questions.
No, it's a language, it belongs to no one.

No, they built colonies. To colonize is the act of building or forming colonies, you don't colonize colonies, that's redundant.

None of the above. Only people in England get educated by the English, everyone else is educated by ... wherever they are.

Now answer my question: Why do you refuse to ever admit that you're an uneducated moron?
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#82915 Mar 25, 2013
Let me guess... the people on here that are throwing around insults are Christians. Right? LMAO!

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#82916 Mar 25, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Why does some or most dreams come true?
Does it mean that God is communicating to us?
No, it's called effort and work, as well as a bit of skill.

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#82917 Mar 25, 2013
LupyLu wrote:
Let me guess... the people on here that are throwing around insults are Christians. Right? LMAO!
A bit of both.

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#82918 Mar 25, 2013
LupyLu wrote:
Let me guess... the people on here that are throwing around insults are Christians. Right? LMAO!
Sadly I must admit I throw in my share.

After being taxed heavily by the ignorance and arrogance of creatards it would take the patience of a saint from throwing some insults back at them.

But trust me. Every creationist that I insult more than earned it.
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#82919 Mar 25, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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A bit of both.
Hey Kitten :) what's happening in the land of logic? Want to argue about something? LOL

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#82920 Mar 25, 2013
LupyLu wrote:
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Hey Kitten :) what's happening in the land of logic? Want to argue about something? LOL
Bored too? It's okay, I'm having a dry spell on creativity so wasting time on here hoping to spark something.

I don't think I could argue with you, it would be like arguing with the nice christian lady in the shelters who thought I was actually an angel in mortal form. Never got why, I wear a pentacle to remind me of my favorite scientific meme, but I couldn't argue with her because she was always too nice ...

“There is no such thing”

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as a reasonable person

#82921 Mar 25, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Why does some or most dreams come true?
Does it mean that God is communicating to us?
http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/inside-...
Maybe your dreams are taking past experiences in account and preparing you for the next day. Sometimes those preparations could be right. Or maybe not.
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#82922 Mar 25, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Bored too? It's okay, I'm having a dry spell on creativity so wasting time on here hoping to spark something.
I don't think I could argue with you, it would be like arguing with the nice christian lady in the shelters who thought I was actually an angel in mortal form. Never got why, I wear a pentacle to remind me of my favorite scientific meme, but I couldn't argue with her because she was always too nice ...
Awwww... luv U 2, yep, I'm bored... LOL I like what you wrote about abusive people, spot on sweets. From a Psych point of view and a former abusee (yep I made up that word).
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#82923 Mar 25, 2013
Angels come in unexpected forms sometimes,,, like my neighbours across the street, to society they are the lowest of the low. Drug dealers, criminals, pot heads, drunks, our version of evil hill billies basically. They protect my sons and I and are our angels in many ways. It's never wise to judge ;p
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#82924 Mar 25, 2013
Crossed with hoodlums.

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#82925 Mar 25, 2013
Lil Ticked wrote:
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http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/inside-...
Maybe your dreams are taking past experiences in account and preparing you for the next day. Sometimes those preparations could be right. Or maybe not.
Have you ever heard, or seen, the phrase "anything can be addictive?" It holds true, even in the cases of naturally released chemicals in the brain. Glycerin, which the effects are explained in there, is no exception. Ever notice that the results of preventing REM are almost identical to withdrawal from most drugs? It's because they are.

It's a great article, it makes things simple to understand, but sometimes when something is presented too simplistically it can also ignore several important details that most lay persons will not think to look up. Dreams are the result of several factors, the strongest being memory and the effects of the glycerin, oddly enough. But I won't spoil the ending for you, instead, look up the effects of daydreaming and why we do that for some even more interesting reading. ;)

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#82926 Mar 25, 2013
Of course I typed glycerin instead of glycine, I wish there weren't so many words so similar.
Mark

United States

#82927 Mar 25, 2013
Gillette wrote:
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http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC361_1...
Creationist Claim CC361.1:
Oil and coal can form rapidly. Their formation is more a matter of heat and pressure than of time. Millions of years are not necessary to account for them.
Source:
Morris, Henry M., 1974. Scientific Creationism, Green Forest, AR: Master Books, pp. 109-110.
Response:
Coal deposits show evidence of a history. Most coals are found in sedimentary rocks deposited in flood plains. They often contain stream channels, roots, and soil horizons. Long time may not be necessary to form the coal itself, but it is necessary to account for the context where coal is found.
Links:
MacRae, Andrew, 1994. Could coal deposits be explained by a global flood? http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/polystrate/co...
Well Gilette, as one who has worked in coal mines doing engineering/technology work off and on for over 20 years,(still ongoing), your post is really telling to me. What you have proved to me is the only knowledge you have on the subject is some cut and paste work from a few web sites. Long time ago they replicated coal formation in a period of hours using mostly bark material. If such material is covered with an overburden,(you may look up "overburden" on wiki) coal forms quickly from the weight of it. I know of no seam anywhere that shows uniform time extended erosion (look up "uniformity" or "uniformitarianism" on wiki) with any time element, otherwise I would not advocate my alternate view of geology, if it all doesn't fit, I don't compartmenalize. A miner often has to blast out petrified trees and stumps in the seams, these extending into the overburden which are mostly sandstone. Sometimes they hit oil,(decayed animals). Saw one of our mine's recently shut down over this. The whole concept of swamp formed coal is just a story in the evo textbooks. We have one mine that has Dino tracks protruding imprinted down from the lithified overburden at the 10K level in the Rockies, I wonder what he was running from up there? I will tell you ICR's work by Steve Austin is right on here, Steve has his PhD from Penn State on the subject. One should be careful of quoting current dogma on these matters unless they are your day job or you have worked the rocks yourself. It all fits for me.

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“Just because it is possible”

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Doesn't mean it will happen.

#82928 Mar 25, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Why does some or most dreams come true?
Does it mean that God is communicating to us?
I don't know that some or most dreams come true. If something good happens you can always go back and say you had a dream about it happening, but that isn't the same thing. I had a dream that you would stop going on about the English owning the English language and that hasn't come true. How would you determine if some or all dreams come true? If you figure that out, let me know. I have been having this dream and I would love it to come true.

How would you ever know? What if you were psychotic and having psychotic dreams that God was communicating with you when in fact God is not. What are the other sources of dreams besides communication from God? Why would God choose such a vacuous and easily misinterpreted form of communication as sending messages in dreams? What are the criteria that one needs to use to determine a regular dream from a supernatural dream postcard from God? How can you tell if someone had a dream text from God or if they are making it up?

Back to that dream I am having. If I have it three times in a row, will it come true? What if the person I am dreaming about is wearing something different ever time I dream about her? Will that nullify the dream?

I think dreams are interesting. They reflect the mood, imagination, personality, stress level and state of mind of the dreamer, but I don't put much stock in them as a medium for communication with God or anyone else. If I am wrong, I would hate to see the AT&T bill.
Mark

United States

#82929 Mar 25, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Yes, sadly there are quite a few facts of life that you have been left out of.
I have no idea what you mean by the "Great Unconformity". I can tell you one thing, it is not a geological term.
I will be happy to deal with the facts of geology. I have seen your posts and never have I seen a worse case of "have no clue"itis.
Your answer is self-explanatory to any geology professional. This formation is not generally taught to undergrads. They explain that it may be "confusing" to them. Otherwise, their indoctination may not be complete by then, their plain observation may conflict with it.

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#82930 Mar 25, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Don't change the question.
Show me clearly how did the universe and all its elements, compounds came into form?
Waiting!
for the sake of this explanation we have to assume without raising our fingure all elements decorated in the periodic tables were in existence...and these all may had taken shape of a solid spherical point. and also niether there was gravity nor time..this big bang theory sounds like a coined story based on logics...

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Doesn't mean it will happen.

#82931 Mar 25, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> English belongs to the English, yes or no?
Did they colonised any colonies?
Did they offer free, expensive or affordable education?
Just answer the questions.
How does a language belong to someone or group of people? Does your shadow really belong to you? Does a whistle belong to the whistler or the hearer? I suppose in terms of intellectual property, a work of art or effort belongs to the person that made it. Metallica fought Napster to prevent them from facilitating free downloads of their music because it was their intellectual property, but I can still sing their songs if I choose to while idly musing. But this is not the same thing as a language. They carefully selected the words and music to produce a piece of music. Language developed over time often from pre-existing languages. They are influenced by and added to all the time. New words are created and old ones fall out of use. Over time the meaning of words can change. Personally, I reject the notion that language of a people is owned by those people, especially in the sense you have described in the past.

I think these are questions you should put to God in a dream.

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