Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 223366 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Aphelion

Satellite Beach, FL

#82721 Mar 25, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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You are projecting.
No just making an observation based on your lack of facts.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#82723 Mar 25, 2013
HOG_Hand of God wrote:
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I thank you for your response.
I agree with you 100%.
I'd worry about siding with Bohart, he's an uneducated liar. Meaning he's uneducated, lies a lot and isn't even very good at that.
HOG_Hand of God wrote:
But I want these people here to understand that there is lack of scientific knowledge regarding God and the spiritual in general; simply because it is against their agenda.
Let me share something with you:
“It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door.”
[http://www.mercatornet.com/ar ticles/view/a_divine_foot_in_t he_door]
Therefore the principles and concepts of science are structured in ways which make them seem naturally conflicting, when there is no real conflict.
These so called atheists on here are "fighting" a "war" they dont even understand.
Oh, the irony of someone whose beef with science is that there's not enough Jewish magic in it.

Your mistake here is that science or scientists or promoters of science have an atheistic agenda to ignore the supernatural. That is simply not the case. Quite simply there is nothing to ignore, except for the shrill crows of creationists who whine that no-one takes their baseless religious opinions seriously.

Science does NOT operate on the assumption of PHILOSOPHICAL naturalism. It rests upon something much more practical - METHODOLOGICAL naturalism.

See, science doesn't give two hoots about any claims you make be they "supernatural" or not. You are more than free to propose any Gods, fairies, witches, ghosts, ghoulies, goblins, wizards, absolutely positively anything you like. All science demands is that it passes the scientific method. The problem with your side is that not one of you have managed to make the "supernatural" pass the scientific method or even come up with a testable hypothesis. And you've had a 4,000 year head start.

That's NOT our problem.

If your beef is about atheists and atheism there's a separate forum for that. Science on the other hand doesn't care. It works the same way for everyone no matter what they believe or who they vote for.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#82724 Mar 25, 2013
HOG_Hand of God wrote:
No.
Such behavior is typical of the average human being.
The average human being rejects belief in matters that there is no evidence of; hence you are wrong because the average human is not atheist.
Plenty of average humans out there. And plenty of them believe in complete BS like psychic powers, fortune tellers, astrology, UFO's, Planet X, End of the world prophecies, conspiracy theories, homeopathic medicine, and creationism.

Sorry, but the average human does NOT always reject belief in matters just because there is no evidence. If they HAD evidence they would not need belief.
HOG_Hand of God wrote:
At least the statement would not be true for it would be dependent on demography and such...
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Garbage!
THE EVIDENCE FOR "THE ALMIGHTY" IS THE EXISTENCE OF POWER AND POTENTIAL.
You would be a lunatic to deny the existence of potential and power; so f@ck with and act like you are intelligent...
Existence, therefore God. Fantastic argument from incredulity ya got there.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#82725 Mar 25, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Then you need an education.
One of it/ them is, look before you leap!
Or don't jump into an hasty conclusions without thorough examination, right?
Oh well, you're screwed.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#82726 Mar 25, 2013
HOG_Hand of God wrote:
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Seriously?
My power is all around me, and you too;
All matter and energy have potential;
You just cant see that if energy and matter generated something like a human brain; then energy and matter must have the potential/capacity for intelligent behavior.
If they don't, then you will never demonstrate intelligence; even if you create an Omniscient God.
Intelligent is as intelligent does: so the efficiency of the processes of nature reveal a natural intelligence at work.
BTW, HOW THE F@CK CAN YOU HAVE "NATURAL SELECTION" WITHOUT A "NATURAL INTELLIGENCE"?
A disposition is not a choice; so the tendency for a specific type of traits to survive or emerge does not describe a "SELECTION".
Carbon has the potential for intelligence. We are carbon based organisms. Carbon is not intelligence.

And you can have natural selection quite easily. Some rain falls on land. Some rain falls on water. Natural selection. That does not mean someone's deliberately pushing those bodies under the rain or that there's someone up there with a magic watering can.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#82727 Mar 25, 2013
HOG_Hand of God wrote:
What have you been proving, except that you are a f@ckin clown?

What is more logically sound to conclude after you observe two (2)different structures that have common parts:

A. That both structures were made under similar in similar processes

OR

B. That both are from the same object..?
Depends on the mechanisms involved. Remember that in both the case of design and evolution we can observe these mechanisms in action. We cannot observe the mechanisms of your God. You simply take natural events and baselessly declare some enigmatic intelligence behind the whole thing.

This might even be true, but since no other creationist on the planet has ever been able to show this I doubt you're any different. And some of those are scientists.
HOG_Hand of God wrote:
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I rest my case.
You had none.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#82728 Mar 25, 2013
HOG_Hand of God wrote:
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Lets start simple:
Power: "ability to do or act; capability of doing or accomplishing something."
[http://dictionary.reference.c om/browse/power]
<quoted text>
But reality does conform to logic; else it would not facilitate the inventions we design by rational employment of our thinking capacities.
You are speaking of a logic that is not known. We cannot make presumptions on this logic you invoke since the logic of the universe would require complete knowledge of it. And that we do not have.
HOG_Hand of God wrote:
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So I know that whatever created "Reality" was not mindless nor unintelligent.
No, you have merely assumed that in the axioms of your logical model. But currently you have no evidence. You may be right. You may be wrong. And since you are not God then I question your logic. With good reason. You are attempting to make a logical argument based on a state of multiversal reality of which you have zero knowledge of and zero evidence for your assertions.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#82729 Mar 25, 2013
Samurai jack wrote:
i know only a few things about biology but for me creation stands totally flutering infront of evolution...
That explains it.(shrug)
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#82730 Mar 25, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Ofcourse, Air, water as well as the universe.
Now answer the question?
You were asking the question of whether only atheists or theists were educated in the world in general.

Well I can't talk about the world in general, but on these forums, creationists (not theists in general) tend to be lacking in education.

Which is why you're referring to Earth, Air, Fire and Water as "elements".

Granted you learned English pretty darn good, so kudos for that.
bohart

White Pine, TN

#82731 Mar 25, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
I'd worry about siding with Bohart, he's an uneducated liar. Meaning he's uneducated, lies a lot and isn't even very good at that.
<quoted text>
Oh, the irony of someone whose beef with science is that there's not enough Jewish magic in it.
Your mistake here is that science or scientists or promoters of science have an atheistic agenda to ignore the supernatural. That is simply not the case. Quite simply there is nothing to ignore, except for the shrill crows of creationists who whine that no-one takes their baseless religious opinions seriously.
Science does NOT operate on the assumption of PHILOSOPHICAL naturalism. It rests upon something much more practical - METHODOLOGICAL naturalism.
See, science doesn't give two hoots about any claims you make be they "supernatural" or not. You are more than free to propose any Gods, fairies, witches, ghosts, ghoulies, goblins, wizards, absolutely positively anything you like. All science demands is that it passes the scientific method. The problem with your side is that not one of you have managed to make the "supernatural" pass the scientific method or even come up with a testable hypothesis. And you've had a 4,000 year head start.
That's NOT our problem.
If your beef is about atheists and atheism there's a separate forum for that. Science on the other hand doesn't care. It works the same way for everyone no matter what they believe or who they vote for.
Hey you forgot to call me a creatard,...remember your religious defense mechanisms!

1. scream liar,liar
2. accusations of being uneducated
3. Name calling, creatard etc.
4. Bragg on your own intellectual superiority

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#82732 Mar 25, 2013
bohart wrote:
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Hey you forgot to call me a creatard,...remember your religious defense mechanisms!
1. scream liar,liar
2. accusations of being uneducated
3. Name calling, creatard etc.
4. Bragg on your own intellectual superiority
i think you just described every single one of your posts...

Level 2

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#82733 Mar 25, 2013
Aphelion wrote:
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Exactly why do you believe this?
Because they are the sources or the foundations of those languages.
Francophone nations all had respect for the people and nations of France.

Level 2

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#82734 Mar 25, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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I am not a bird.
Bird?
I meant, " foul ", and not, " fowl".

Level 2

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#82735 Mar 25, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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You were asking the question of whether only atheists or theists were educated in the world in general.
Well I can't talk about the world in general, but on these forums, creationists (not theists in general) tend to be lacking in education.
Which is why you're referring to Earth, Air, Fire and Water as "elements".
Granted you learned English pretty darn good, so kudos for that.
Tub, you are wrong.
The elements includes the air, water, etc.
While the universe comprises of the earth and other planetary bodies.
Look before you leap!
" As well as the universe", meant that, he should tell me how they both came into existence.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#82736 Mar 25, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Because they are the sources or the foundations of those languages.
Francophone nations all had respect for the people and nations of France.
you means their slave holdings and colonies? sure they really respected the people of france...

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#82737 Mar 25, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Bird?
I meant, " foul ", and not, " fowl".
It was difficult to tell what you meant, since it was not a complete sentence.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#82738 Mar 25, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Tub, you are wrong.
The elements includes the air, water, etc.
While the universe comprises of the earth and other planetary bodies.
Look before you leap!
" As well as the universe", meant that, he should tell me how they both came into existence.
Wow, you are archaic. I suppose you believe you can turn lead into gold with fancy words and crystals as well.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#82739 Mar 25, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Tub, you are wrong.
The elements includes the air, water, etc.
While the universe comprises of the earth and other planetary bodies.
Look before you leap!
" As well as the universe", meant that, he should tell me how they both came into existence.
air and water are elements? seriously?!?

how bout good ol' flogiston and aether?

Level 2

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#82740 Mar 25, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>you means their slave holdings and colonies? sure they really respected the people of france...
I am not talking about colonisation, but language.
Though, colonisations are in a way part of the spread.

Level 2

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#82741 Mar 25, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Wow, you are archaic. I suppose you believe you can turn lead into gold with fancy words and crystals as well.
Don't change the question.
Show me clearly how did the universe and all its elements, compounds came into form?
Waiting!

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