Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 218771 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Mark

United States

#81442 Mar 17, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Bingo. God sees us all and that's all you know. Unfortunately you don't even know if it exists. If you did you would be able to demonstrate it in an objective manner via the scientific method.
Of course all this is irrelevant since evolution makes no theological claims. It would be quite happy if God was the one responsible for abiogenesis. All it needs is for life to be here. Life IS here. Life evolves. Facts. In order to demonstrate otherwise you need to demonstrate that life is in fact NOT here.
Good luck.
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Except your problem is the analogy itself. DNA is not a language. It is not a code. It is also a naturally occurring self-replicating biological organism, unlike anything in your analogies. Your other problem is that the theory of evolution does not rely on abiogenesis. Since DNA *is* actually here, it can, and does evolve.
The labs know there are no write heads in a cell, only read heads. There is also data compression stop bits, and a superimposed code picked up by a second ofset head in humans to compress the data so the string lenght can be shorter, but hold way more data. All this can hold about several GB, all smaller than you can see with the naked eye. Thats why Crick wanted his space ships. ID is all over it.

M

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#81443 Mar 17, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Who says anything about a lie? What does mocking a God make you eh? Does that make you into another God? tell me...
it makes me honest about the myth of a god..

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#81444 Mar 17, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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"rocks are also dated by radiometric means"
Yes they date rocks that way, one rock was over a billion years older on one end then the other end.
Great way of dating things!!
Unless you believe that a rock can have that kind of age difference in a matter of inches.
I[ve seen people who can't use baic tape measures also.

When fundies try to use tools they don't comprehend, yes, the results will be ignorant shits like you...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#81445 Mar 17, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Your water pipe broke in your basement...the water is one foot from the ceiling (which is a lot more than 2 to 3 %) call the plumber and ask him if your basement is flooded or not.YDA
Still can[t admit you were lied to about noah's flood, huh?

that cult addiction is very hard to break....

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#81446 Mar 17, 2013
d pants wrote:
<quoted text> then why do other animals instinctively protect their young? Or eat them instinctivly? All I'm stating is that what people call morals are usually instinct. If it comes to survival, they could go out the window.
Guess we know to steer well clear of you in an emergency situation...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#81447 Mar 17, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
Maybe we should think outside of the box when considering our universe. Could the universe be a system and if it is, what kind of a system is it? We can see various systems in nature and some of them appear symmetrical with left and right sides. All natural systems are grouped that coordinate to perform a specific function like our bodies for example where various organs make up an organ system and specific organs are present on the left side and right side of the body. The universe must of had a function, but how and why is still being pondered.
Your system theory is not outside the box, it is as old as the hills.(and not the fundie 6,000 yr old hills... the real hills.)

why don't yo try thinking outside the box?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#81448 Mar 17, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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funny how you label people when you are filled with shame of your own disease. Go see a psychiatrist. There's medication for psychopaths.
what? you don't like being lied about? then i won't mention the gambling addiction that led to your prostitutionb arrest...

or you could just apologize...but i don't really think you have enough character to do that.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#81449 Mar 17, 2013
d pants wrote:
<quoted text> then why do other animals instinctively protect their young? Or eat them instinctivly? All I'm stating is that what people call morals are usually instinct. If it comes to survival, they could go out the window.
Not necessarily. There is a species of squirrel I think? Can't recall of the top of my head. Calls out whenever foxes are coming. The pack runs but the guy who raised the alarm is eaten by the fox. Even in the rest of the animal kingdom you'll find that there are other species who will defend their young until death. Not a rule of course.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#81450 Mar 17, 2013
d pants wrote:
<quoted text> what we don't know outweighs what we do. Fact is fact. Theories are not yet valid. Even in your scientific community, supposedly...
If theories are currently used then they ARE valid. Theories are made up of facts. They use them to make scientific predictions about natural phenomena. Theories NEVER get "proven" to become "laws". This is what separates them from religious dogma.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#81451 Mar 17, 2013
Mark wrote:
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Sorting deposition is where if you have water born sediments in a current, the heavier minerals will tumble down first and form a layer, then next lighter and so on. Its a see to beleive phenon in a lab. I saw it at St Helens in post eruption road cuts and from pic's of the 1/40 scale grand canyon that was exposed later there when a soft material dam broke up high. When it lithifies, each layer is unique like repoured layers of concrete one on the other. Valley and canyon formation concepts previously taught as "one grain of sand at a time" erosion formations had to be rethoiught as the high-speed hot mud flows that came off the mtn created valleys in a few hours, not the creeks taking lots of time that came along as a result of the revines being made.
Fish and reptiles drown and sink whole, mammals bloat, float and fall apart. Thats why mammals made it to the top layers, they were flaoting around in the massive veg islands post the initial flood.
Except we have mammals right along dinosaurs. Not modern ones of course. And we should still see velociraptors with wolves because ALL the land was flooded. So it doesn't MATTER if reptiles always sink because - newsflash - most reptiles are LAND-based. AND we should ALWAYS see modern male leatherback turtles at the bottom and not the top. Your only other option is that when the waters receded is that, somehow, all the reptiles and fish were coincidentally dragged out to sea and not even one was left inland.

Which is of course ridiculous.

Especially since the flood left no fossils at all.
Mark wrote:
Ok so an error of saying no death, no massive death by water is what i ment. Your comments are appreciated,
M
No, you said that there were no fossils in the pre-cambrian because death did not exist. This is of course batshit anti-reality.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#81452 Mar 17, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Well at least you read more than just one word of my post this time. The simple fact that systems follow cycles to perform a specific function is my point. Happy Saint Patricks day!
Yeah, I usually take you seriously until you reach that first "S" word.

;-p
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#81453 Mar 17, 2013
Mark wrote:
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Dude,
Its the stupid humming bird, i'm a helicopter guy and they school me all the time. Never met a pilot who could outfly one nor an engineer who could build one better.
M
Exactly. In other words biology is not a good comparison to design. Setting aside of course that there are no mechanisms or theory for ID.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#81454 Mar 17, 2013
Mark wrote:
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The labs know there are no write heads in a cell, only read heads. There is also data compression stop bits, and a superimposed code picked up by a second ofset head in humans to compress the data so the string lenght can be shorter, but hold way more data. All this can hold about several GB, all smaller than you can see with the naked eye. Thats why Crick wanted his space ships. ID is all over it.
M
ID hasn't been over it for years. Even when they were all over it they weren't over anything. That's why all ID "researchers" stopped before they even started and started writing popular books on apolegtics instead and touring the church circuit.

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#81455 Mar 17, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>what? you don't like being lied about? then i won't mention the gambling addiction that led to your prostitutionb arrest...

or you could just apologize...but i don't really think you have enough character to do that.
You have a mentality of a child. Does explain your IQ level as well? You wish I was a prostitute because I know how lonely you are.

You are the one who needs to apologize for your abusive behavior.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#81456 Mar 17, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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You have a mentality of a child. Does explain your IQ level as well? You wish I was a prostitute because I know how lonely you are.
You are the one who needs to apologize for your abusive behavior.
i have always been a great judge of character. or lack thereof as in your case.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#81457 Mar 17, 2013
B_Girl_Turco wrote:
I was a monkey.
Nope! Just related to a chimp.

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#81458 Mar 17, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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Nope! Just related to a chimp.
whatever turns you on. lol

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#81459 Mar 17, 2013
d pants wrote:
<quoted text> what we don't know outweighs what we do. Fact is fact. Theories are not yet valid. Even in your scientific community, supposedly...
The way I understand it a hypothesis is not yet valid.

A theory is something that has been shown (by multiple testing) to be well on the road to being valid....or in the case of evolution which has been tested for over 150 years and passed with flying colors, it borders on fact.
Mark

United States

#81460 Mar 17, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly. In other words biology is not a good comparison to design. Setting aside of course that there are no mechanisms or theory for ID.
Dude,

It's just one bird. A very interesting design that worth a study. My point is look at the blueprints, the anatomy, the genetics that create it. Its flight specs, g-forces, max speed, dive speed, endurance. Slow down and look at just this one animal and try to call it an accident.

Look at anatomic parallelism as it relates to genetics. Read Denton. You know, the finding where one wing's development is controlled by a diff. gene than the other and on and on.. Pretty lucky accident of mutations to get both sides at the same time! Effects all parallel appendages...even lungs! Bird lungs are another example. Design, function, design, function. Is that not intelligent,- design = ID?

You need a mechanism, most likely because I challenged you to present one for evolution. I'll give you one. Some time ago a biologist took apart a virus and killed it. He then put it back together and it revived! Now take a car. Remove the engine, panel etc. and it won't run right? Put it back together and she starts right up. My point is you won't stand there and say, man, this car is amazing, it created itself and I figured it out! No, a car has a creator, Ford, Chevy, BMW, you won't argue that, that would be foolish!

But because its a living thing you say "no creator needed"! Same for the humming bird or a Blackhawk. I run Lama's.

M
Mark

United States

#81461 Mar 17, 2013
I have a cool pic of a P-51 on a ramp from WWII. It's Sunday and a service is going on around it in a war zone. The caption reads;

Machine needs man, Man needs God.

Thats what I beleive -

M

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