Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 216729 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#81319 Mar 17, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
if you insist...
here is what I said...
"the center of the milky way galaxy lies in the constellation of Sagittarius."
If you look at a star map the milky way galaxy lies within the boundaries of Sagittarius.
do I need to pull one up?
and that is incorrect, as i pointed out.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#81320 Mar 17, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Very simple...
the galactic center is 27,000 light years (ly)away from Earth.
the a star in Sag. is 170 ly from Earth.
the b star is 378 ly from Earth.
the b2 star is 137 ly from earth.
the gamma star is 125 ly from earth.
the delta star is 85 ly from earth.
the epsilon star is 125 ly from earth.
the lambda star is 70 ly from earth.
the galactic center of the milky way does not lie in teh constellation of saggitarius.
"Sagittarius is a constellation of the zodiac, the one containing the galactic center."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagittarius_%28c...

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#81321 Mar 17, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>everywhere.
wrong again..."everywhere" does not define a center.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#81322 Mar 17, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
"Sagittarius is a constellation of the zodiac, the one containing the galactic center."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagittarius_%28c...
yet, as I showed you, that is an incorrect statement.

again, not everything you read on the internet is correct. just as not everything you read in mythical stories is not correct.

there seems to be a lesson here for you. what you do with it is up to you. you can look at the facts i gave you and learn, or stick ot your ignorance and wallow...

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#81323 Mar 17, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>and that is incorrect, as i pointed out.
"Sagittarius is a constellation of the zodiac, the one containing the galactic center."

So I said "the center of the milky way galaxy lies in the constellation of Sagittarius."

and you claim this to be a false statement????lol

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#81324 Mar 17, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
"Sagittarius is a constellation of the zodiac, the one containing the galactic center."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagittarius_%28c...
Try a real astronomy site, and they will state it correctly, just as I did, that the galactic center lies in the direction of the constellation saggitarius.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#81325 Mar 17, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
"Sagittarius is a constellation of the zodiac, the one containing the galactic center."
So I said "the center of the milky way galaxy lies in the constellation of Sagittarius."
and you claim this to be a false statement????lol
yes, it is false. i clearly showed you why.
Mark

United States

#81326 Mar 17, 2013
I have been on a few trips to the canyon and put my hands on the rocks, have you? Done a little science work too. Hiked the pre-cam zone where you have water borne layers with no fossils (the pre-flood earth that Adam walked) and then the "great unconformity" slicing them off and 1000ft+ of of fossil layden horizontally and water deposited Tapeat's sandstone. Then several thousand feet more fossilized layers on up. The base of which is sawed off fractured and upturned granite blocks, it says "the fountains of the great deep burst forth", these original crustal granites are fractured and broken in massive blocks, some turned 90 deg (a fast formed mtn range) that was subsequently and catastrophically eroded off. The perfectly plainier contact zone of the 12+ layers in the canyon are simply water current sorted shales and sandstones and while still unlithified were rapidly eroded out when the post flood dam near Page AZ burst out, all perfectly and logically explained from a flood model. The shores of this emptied lake tell of a lake larger than all teh great lakes combined. The evos tell us the layers were caused by 12 different oceans while the earth's crust played pogo stick for eons. Prob is there is no uniform erosion evidence anywhere between these "oceans". If you have mill of years between these uplifts and recoverings where is the evidence of a uniform eroded surface? There should be trees and ranges and valleys happening in all this time they need but its all perfectly flat mineral! You cant get a piece of paper between the layers!

This was all explained in a big way geologically in your home state @ St. Helens. The worlds geologic community had the watch the drama unfold and tear out chapter after chapter of dogma, if they wanted to be honest. Dredges clearing out deposits found Canyon image plainier deposits in these cuts and also a lake/canyon creation and breakout that occured a year after the eruption put the rest together. This did much to explain Grand Canyon formation theory, if you want to face the facts. Makes alot of sense. Turns out you can replicate layer sorting in a lab and create plainier contact layers due to water sorting of the specific gravity of each type of mineral. Oh well, eons not required nor do they explain a thing, that's the "Lie". So the bottom line is you can walk around the Canyon with your Bible open and see the same story in the rocks. I have found this to be true everywhere, that's the truth.

M

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#81327 Mar 17, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>yet, as I showed you, that is an incorrect statement.
again, not everything you read on the internet is correct. just as not everything you read in mythical stories is not correct.
there seems to be a lesson here for you. what you do with it is up to you. you can look at the facts i gave you and learn, or stick ot your ignorance and wallow...
...well I guess Wikipedia assumed that you would know the difference between an arbitrary concept, and one of actuality.

They might should make a special addition just for you.lol

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#81328 Mar 17, 2013
Mark wrote:
I have been on a few trips to the canyon and put my hands on the rocks, have you? Done a little science work too. Hiked the pre-cam zone where you have water borne layers with no fossils (the pre-flood earth that Adam walked) and then the "great unconformity" slicing them off and 1000ft+ of of fossil layden horizontally and water deposited Tapeat's sandstone. Then several thousand feet more fossilized layers on up. The base of which is sawed off fractured and upturned granite blocks, it says "the fountains of the great deep burst forth", these original crustal granites are fractured and broken in massive blocks, some turned 90 deg (a fast formed mtn range) that was subsequently and catastrophically eroded off. The perfectly plainier contact zone of the 12+ layers in the canyon are simply water current sorted shales and sandstones and while still unlithified were rapidly eroded out when the post flood dam near Page AZ burst out, all perfectly and logically explained from a flood model. The shores of this emptied lake tell of a lake larger than all teh great lakes combined. The evos tell us the layers were caused by 12 different oceans while the earth's crust played pogo stick for eons. Prob is there is no uniform erosion evidence anywhere between these "oceans". If you have mill of years between these uplifts and recoverings where is the evidence of a uniform eroded surface? There should be trees and ranges and valleys happening in all this time they need but its all perfectly flat mineral! You cant get a piece of paper between the layers!
This was all explained in a big way geologically in your home state @ St. Helens. The worlds geologic community had the watch the drama unfold and tear out chapter after chapter of dogma, if they wanted to be honest. Dredges clearing out deposits found Canyon image plainier deposits in these cuts and also a lake/canyon creation and breakout that occured a year after the eruption put the rest together. This did much to explain Grand Canyon formation theory, if you want to face the facts. Makes alot of sense. Turns out you can replicate layer sorting in a lab and create plainier contact layers due to water sorting of the specific gravity of each type of mineral. Oh well, eons not required nor do they explain a thing, that's the "Lie". So the bottom line is you can walk around the Canyon with your Bible open and see the same story in the rocks. I have found this to be true everywhere, that's the truth.
M
Yep, i've been there with my geologist uncle. it ouched rocks that were tens of millions of years old or more.

your bible myths lied to you...

your fundie teachers lied to you.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#81329 Mar 17, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
...well I guess Wikipedia assumed that you would know the difference between an arbitrary concept, and one of actuality.
They might should make a special addition just for you.lol
not an arbitary concept. an incorrect one.

as was your use of the word arbitrary.

this clearly shows your two dimensionsal level of thinking.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#81330 Mar 17, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
It's the flood my boy, the Flood!
Science dated that coal at 500 million years old. 500 million old coal with man made items inside.
Good old science and it's dating.
Please no lying Langoliers. When you lie you make the baby Jebus cwy.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#81331 Mar 17, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
Constellation are used as points of reference in astronomy...why do you avoid my question?
Where is the center of the Universe?
Not Earth.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#81332 Mar 17, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
...well I guess Wikipedia assumed that you would know the difference between an arbitrary concept, and one of actuality.
They might should make a special addition just for you.lol
Funny how you discredit a source that actually offers the references to everything it claims.
Mark

United States

#81333 Mar 17, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Yep, i've been there with my geologist uncle. it ouched rocks that were tens of millions of years old or more.
your bible myths lied to you...
your fundie teachers lied to you.
Didn't have any "fundie" profs, sorry. Have you ever noticed why the evo's "say" rocks are dated via the geologic column and not from radiometric data? Thats because they would have to turn the canyon upside down for one model and rightside up for the other. Actually I publically debated that issue with a university dept. head, he blew up and later had to write me an apology as directed by the Uni president, also a geologist. Arts aurguement in the letter was "well, everyone believes it's this way". Fact is the fossil evidence simply points to a catastrophic watery disaster. Sure, ocean floor sea life was buried in first, worms, trilobites with their complex eyes then we see alot of nautilus there, discovered by Steve Austin, that has attracted alot of attn, further blowing up the the uniform theory. How do you trap millions of them in a sediment laden watery enviro, all about the same age and driven by current in the same direction in a "tranquil" ocean? Entire sections of the column are missing in the canyon which should be their holy grail model. How did a trilobite evolve to a nautilus in one layer? No one has lied to me, they have lied to us! Where are the transitions? Patterson at the British Museum admitted to me that no one he new has seen living transitionals in the field, which I confirmed to him in my 25 years running around Alaska. He told me, Mark, "bless you on your quest for truth". He once asked a large group if anyone knew one thing that was true of eveolution theory, it got very quiet and one subject responded, "well, I know that it shouldn't be taught in high school"!

M

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#81334 Mar 17, 2013
Mark wrote:
<quoted text>
Didn't have any "fundie" profs, sorry. Have you ever noticed why the evo's "say" rocks are dated via the geologic column and not from radiometric data? Thats because they would have to turn the canyon upside down for one model and rightside up for the other. Actually I publically debated that issue with a university dept. head, he blew up and later had to write me an apology as directed by the Uni president, also a geologist. Arts aurguement in the letter was "well, everyone believes it's this way". Fact is the fossil evidence simply points to a catastrophic watery disaster. Sure, ocean floor sea life was buried in first, worms, trilobites with their complex eyes then we see alot of nautilus there, discovered by Steve Austin, that has attracted alot of attn, further blowing up the the uniform theory. How do you trap millions of them in a sediment laden watery enviro, all about the same age and driven by current in the same direction in a "tranquil" ocean? Entire sections of the column are missing in the canyon which should be their holy grail model. How did a trilobite evolve to a nautilus in one layer? No one has lied to me, they have lied to us! Where are the transitions? Patterson at the British Museum admitted to me that no one he new has seen living transitionals in the field, which I confirmed to him in my 25 years running around Alaska. He told me, Mark, "bless you on your quest for truth". He once asked a large group if anyone knew one thing that was true of eveolution theory, it got very quiet and one subject responded, "well, I know that it shouldn't be taught in high school"!
M
So ... you know nothing about geology, biology, or archeology ... yet you presume to debate them? No, you are either lying or too deluded to know reality at all.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#81335 Mar 17, 2013
Mark wrote:
<quoted text>
Didn't have any "fundie" profs, sorry. Have you ever noticed why the evo's "say" rocks are dated via the geologic column and not from radiometric data? Thats because they would have to turn the canyon upside down for one model and rightside up for the other. Actually I publically debated that issue with a university dept. head, he blew up and later had to write me an apology as directed by the Uni president, also a geologist. Arts aurguement in the letter was "well, everyone believes it's this way". Fact is the fossil evidence simply points to a catastrophic watery disaster. Sure, ocean floor sea life was buried in first, worms, trilobites with their complex eyes then we see alot of nautilus there, discovered by Steve Austin, that has attracted alot of attn, further blowing up the the uniform theory. How do you trap millions of them in a sediment laden watery enviro, all about the same age and driven by current in the same direction in a "tranquil" ocean? Entire sections of the column are missing in the canyon which should be their holy grail model. How did a trilobite evolve to a nautilus in one layer? No one has lied to me, they have lied to us! Where are the transitions? Patterson at the British Museum admitted to me that no one he new has seen living transitionals in the field, which I confirmed to him in my 25 years running around Alaska. He told me, Mark, "bless you on your quest for truth". He once asked a large group if anyone knew one thing that was true of eveolution theory, it got very quiet and one subject responded, "well, I know that it shouldn't be taught in high school"!
M
No rocks are also dated by radiometric means.

there is an aquifer at the grand canyon that has water radio metrically dated to LONG before your fundie world was supposedly created.

your cult lied to you.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#81336 Mar 17, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Funny how you discredit a source that actually offers the references to everything it claims.
Funnier how when given the clear facts to show whe was incorrect, she just couldn't accept it...

classic cult thinking.

“That's just MY opinion...”

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#81337 Mar 17, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
here... I'll give you an example... the center of the milky way galaxy lies in the constellation of Sagittarius.
very simple...
Only if you assume the Universe to be two dimensional.

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#81338 Mar 17, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
God was not interested in conveying precise scienctific information...but knowledge of the spirit.
Nature’s Cry

Has life come a million years before
but know that it will not
in another million years or so
Man had sweat that made Earth trodden
But a woman sheds tears twice as potent
For her tears shall make it happen
Much like nature’s cry for pain
The vast oceans and the cycle of rain
What have you learned from history, my friend?
Because of pain why Life comes back again.

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