Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Mar 16, 2013
 
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, and they found the 'god particle'...
I think you're talking to someone who thinks that it has something to do with his religion.

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As a matter of fact my European ancestry also has something to do with Cro-magnon with neanderthal traits. lol
The stuff scientists love to piece together but no idea what this common ancestor really is.
They think, at this time, that the common ancestor to humans and Neanderthals was Homo-heidelbergensis.

Did you notice in the ads they promote here there is a company that will find out how much Neanderthal genes/blood you have??
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Mar 16, 2013
 
Rose_NoHo wrote:
How can anybody over 6 believe the creation story in the Buy-bull is history? It has day and night before a sun, so we can dismiss the whole thing before the 6th verse. It also has plants growing before there is a sun.
Why don't fundies just say they believe in god, and god created us, but the obviously absurd stories in Genesis aren't history?
So because you don't have the capacity or desire to understand written word... it's the books fault, and "we" should dismiss it?
Got it!

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Yup. And anything 520 million years old is generally not indicated by carbon dating.
Yah and you don't have mathematical evidence.

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Mar 16, 2013
 
Cybele wrote:
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Just FYI, I am not just some random individual on the net. lol
yes, in fact you are!

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So because you don't have the capacity or desire to understand written word... it's the books fault, and "we" should dismiss it?
Got it!
No, you should dismiss it as it is full of proven lies. any rational person would.

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Why not? You believe in God.(shrug)
With all due respect you are completely ignorant of science as a whole, much less physics in particular.
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What reasonable answers? Bub, you're saying that because dark matter is unobservable then it's bogus therefore an invisible Jewish wizard didit with magic. You could not POSSIBLY say anything more hypocritical or stupid.
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And if you knew anything about geology at all you would know that your position is COMPLETELY at odds with scientific consensus.
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Considering that life has survived a minimum of 3 billion years your claim is frankly beyond ridiculous.
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You mean the guy who works for CMI, an organization which openly admits it lies for Jesus?
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How so? What scientific mechanism did God use?
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And to keep claiming that's what science claims is a fundie straw-man. Especially since much natural phenomena is NOT random. The thing that you can't personally get your head around is that the opposite of random is NOT "intelligence".
Math is pretty truthful. If you take 2 people and extend out the most conservative pop. growth model for 1 mill years you would have 10X26th power of inhabitants on the earth. The entire universe could not contain the bones of their ancestors. We have a difference in perspective for sure. One may beleive life has been here 3 bill years, but many other uniform chronometers based on logic and math don't. Ocean sediment accumulation on the sea floor and river delta's are another big one they don't publish or want folks to know about. I could go on but that is not the point, you have a belief system that is yours. My experiance is that evolutionists go to great efforts to be "accepted" and enjoy their "priest like" status. This is why they won't debate anymore, it can get very embarrassing in public to defend these matters when the other party knows their stuff.

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Math is pretty truthful. If you take 2 people and extend out the most conservative pop. growth model for 1 mill years you would have 10X26th power of inhabitants on the earth. The entire universe could not contain the bones of their ancestors. We have a difference in perspective for sure. One may beleive life has been here 3 bill years, but many other uniform chronometers based on logic and math don't. Ocean sediment accumulation on the sea floor and river delta's are another big one they don't publish or want folks to know about. I could go on but that is not the point, you have a belief system that is yours. My experiance is that evolutionists go to great efforts to be "accepted" and enjoy their "priest like" status. This is why they won't debate anymore, it can get very embarrassing in public to defend these matters when the other party knows their stuff.
No0one in their right mind thinks humans have been on Earth for 3 bnillion years! you don't have the foggiest idea of what your are talking about, do you?

let me go make some popcorn before you post more silly shit!...

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Yah and you don't have mathematical evidence.
yes, in fact he does as the half life of carbon 14 is 5,730 years.
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Please explain how scientists determined the period when trilobites existed about 520 mya and when it went extinct with accuracy?
Yes and how they have been discovered still in soft tissue. On top of that they were able to dissect an eye and found it very complex, they (the trilobite) could even correct for underwater abbaration (shift defraction), what an accident!! Where are the transisional forms!
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woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>No, you should dismiss it as it is full of proven lies.
Show your proof, I'll wait.
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cult deprogramming services are in the yellow pages...
That's Great! I hope it works for you.

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<quoted text> we are tired of retards who keep trying to prop up a 150 year old theory called darwinism when you have NO fossil evidence to prove your theory and genetics blow it out of the water. Ever look at the human gene map compared to any other organism on earth? Yeah, that's right, if it slams darwin just call it junk and ignore it. Here's another question. How come in natural evolution, animals adapt to survive in a changing enviroment, but human evolved so fast to such a level that we are destroying our surroundings? Isn't that called mutation?
Yeah...we are tired of creationists such as yourself (we don't believe your assertion that you are agnostic) coming on here and repeating very old crap they learned on creationists websites such as 'AiG or ICR and others. That stuff is so old it's probably been around before you were born.

Answer me this creatard: Why does EVERY scientific organization on EARTH support evolution??

Do you think they know and understand MUCH more than even you, with your 'super brain' could ever know about the subject???

Go learn some science before you attack the 'Fact of Evolution'

P.S. We KNOW humans evolved from the great apes line.

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Did you notice in the ads they promote here there is a company that will find out how much Neanderthal genes/blood you have??
lol. really, um no thanks.

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Yes and how they have been discovered still in soft tissue. On top of that they were able to dissect an eye and found it very complex, they (the trilobite) could even correct for underwater abbaration (shift defraction), what an accident!! Where are the transisional forms!
Use your spell-check..:-)

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Yes and how they have been discovered still in soft tissue. On top of that they were able to dissect an eye and found it very complex, they (the trilobite) could even correct for underwater abbaration (shift defraction), what an accident!! Where are the transisional forms!
Exactly. It is easier for any individual to accept these claims than to actually debate against it with logic and real science facts. They have it much easier than we do. lol

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ThenNow WhatwillBe wrote:
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Show your proof, I'll wait.
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That's Great! I hope it works for you.
Read back, it's been done and redone all over these pages.

i am not in a cult. you are.
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Mar 16, 2013
 
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text> any rational person...
That's what I thought, no proof. Your opinion is yours. I'm done waiting. Nice try though!

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Mark wrote:
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Yes and how they have been discovered still in soft tissue. On top of that they were able to dissect an eye and found it very complex, they (the trilobite) could even correct for underwater abbaration (shift defraction), what an accident!! Where are the transisional forms!
they have soft tissue of a trilobyte? who has this?

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Exactly. It is easier for any individual to accept these claims than to actually debate against it with logic and real science facts. They have it much easier than we do. lol
it's easier to accept false claims? why? I mean, I know you do it all the time but why is it easier?
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Mar 16, 2013
 
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Considering the fact you have to ignore everything I said I maintain my stance that you're just another typical creationist liar for Jesus, consistent inline with the scientific theory of creationists.
If you understood how scientific theories work then what you require is to come up with a better theory than dark matter. It is POSSIBLE that dark matter theory is wrong. But the fact is it works.
Do you have an alternative that's capable of doing the same job but better?
Or are you still sticking to your alternative which is the complete and total anti-thesis of science while still pretending to claim that science you disagree with for theological reasons is unscientific?
I would suppose you can call the scientists at the FERME lab and argue with them. I have had my hands on the rocks and fossils and feel perfectly secure. Besides both my college geo profs converted to ID and a catastrophic geo model rather than the model as taught in the text books. It was alot of things but paleomagnetic data (earths magnetic field proven to have shifts multiple times in magma fields in hours), 10ft dia redwoods fossilized at the south pole and fruit trees found frozen in siberia helped. One had 25 years on his PHD working on delta sediments and with a challenge or two from me admitted there is less than 7K worth of these sediments in the worlds major river deltas.

The massive fossil beds with layers of creatures in no order, some over a mie thick, the fact that most all are in turbidites (high speed underwater mud flows,come out and look at the Utah Natl Dino monument) and jumbled with clams and fish pushed them over. The Lewis range in Montana has the textbook geologic columb turned upside down. The evos attempted to explain this 50 mile range away but finally gave up and just pulled it from the text books, "to complicated for undergrads to understand" they said, just like the world-wide "Great Uncomformity". The Grand canyon is the same, its give up and go home for uniformists and fair game for creation/flood model folks. Sorry if these truths are upsetting to you but as we say "the rocks don't lie" and neither do i. M

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