Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 216606 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Best of New Orleans.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#81019 Mar 15, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>this is why no-one has yet attempted to say exactly what this 'dark matter' is. we lnly know its effects.
now...wouldn't that same thing go for this 'god' you profess exists? when you can plop a scoop of your god an a lab table, we can start the discussion of its existence...
logic is fun!
Blast. Beat me to it.

I shoulda known that was too easy.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#81020 Mar 15, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>ROFL!
I have my EWWADEESGLSCNACGHSWBEJI membership card right here.
It's actually 3" X 5".
Oh cool! I haven't got one yet!
drinK the hivE

New York, NY

#81021 Mar 15, 2013
Sounds 2 Me Like U Got Fried By Kundalini Energy...

http://rt.com/files/news/north-korea-leader-d...
anonymous

Barberton, OH

#81022 Mar 15, 2013
HOG_ Hand of God wrote:
<quoted text>
Well I could say that the Dark Matter proposed by science is pure hokum too; because its existence can only be logically inferred.
But how is it that ones like you are ready to accept a thing that you can only logically infer; yet you cant see how the reality of The Almighty's existence can be inferred?
Is it that your capacity to infer just shuts the [email protected] down when its time to think of The Almighty?
Well, dark matter is suggested by the calculated movement of objects in space. It is based on empirical evidence but only a few years ago, entirely different calculations and conclusions based on observation was also the pinnacle of science. Generally speaking, I prefer Occam's razor rather than elaborate speculation based on little empirical evidence, but that still doesn't suggest deity. At some point, you just have to accept that you're here to ponder your existence, therefore it is implicit that there was some form of creation. You'll never escape the cycle of who created what and what created who.

On the other hand, you've probably observed the hostile nature of the current batch of posters. Please don't call them advocates of science. They are little more than professional victims in the name of proletarian consumption of resources. They like to call themselves scholars of various sorts, but they really are just shaking their fists defiantly at their own idea of who authority is. The reality of authority completely eludes them.

When it comes down to it, conflict is always inevitable and choices have to be made to protect what you have against those who would take it all from you. For now, it's a worthless debate. You're dealing with those who have gambled on stability lasting through their lifetimes. They may be right, in which case they are just pushing and shoving for as much slop as they can consume before the rest of farmer Bob's swine take it from them.

To hear them talk of morality is absurd. As soon as they resort to trolling, they've lost all moral authority in what is supposed to be a civil forum. But then again, don't we all tailor our morality to suit our means?

I still don't see anyone addressing morality as they discuss religion. I still don't see anyone offering pure science without injecting vigilante political dogma into the debate. There's little here but a will to raise the rabble, and that is why you'll only continue to see arrogance instead of real debate.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#81023 Mar 15, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>What a noob...we just call it ew-wad....
Hmm.

Perhaps a redesign is in order.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#81024 Mar 15, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh cool! I haven't got one yet!
I'll send you the express application.
qyddyd

Rochester, PA

#81025 Mar 15, 2013
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What came first Death or Birth
Mark

United States

#81027 Mar 15, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, dark matter is suggested by the calculated movement of objects in space. It is based on empirical evidence but only a few years ago, entirely different calculations and conclusions based on observation was also the pinnacle of science. Generally speaking, I prefer Occam's razor rather than elaborate speculation based on little empirical evidence, but that still doesn't suggest deity. At some point, you just have to accept that you're here to ponder your existence, therefore it is implicit that there was some form of creation. You'll never escape the cycle of who created what and what created who.
On the other hand, you've probably observed the hostile nature of the current batch of posters. Please don't call them advocates of science. They are little more than professional victims in the name of proletarian consumption of resources. They like to call themselves scholars of various sorts, but they really are just shaking their fists defiantly at their own idea of who authority is. The reality of authority completely eludes them.
When it comes down to it, conflict is always inevitable and choices have to be made to protect what you have against those who would take it all from you. For now, it's a worthless debate. You're dealing with those who have gambled on stability lasting through their lifetimes. They may be right, in which case they are just pushing and shoving for as much slop as they can consume before the rest of farmer Bob's swine take it from them.
To hear them talk of morality is absurd. As soon as they resort to trolling, they've lost all moral authority in what is supposed to be a civil forum. But then again, don't we all tailor our morality to suit our means?
I still don't see anyone addressing morality as they discuss religion. I still don't see anyone offering pure science without injecting vigilante political dogma into the debate. There's little here but a will to raise the rabble, and that is why you'll only continue to see arrogance instead of real debate.
I am new, but if I may offer a comment on the subject "dark matter". Actually this is really intresting to one that beleives science should consist of the testable/repeatable model. There used to be a diff between operational science aand origin science. Now they have mixed them and most all public instititions view natrual science through an evolutionary lense. So now we have this mass "belief" in "dark matter". Now think about this, it can't be seen nor detected, but is responsible for holding the entire universe together! In truth, they need dark matter for the problem of time - if the universe was old it would have flown apart long long ago without it. Astro physisists had many a sleepless night seeing thier spiral galaxies unraveling before their eyes (which they are) and the evolutionary clocks stop ticking, dark matter became their pixy dust, a fairy tale, sweet dreams.. it was needed, so it was invented to get their thoughts of ID deflected and medicated. Regards

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#81028 Mar 15, 2013
Mark wrote:
<quoted text>
I am new, but if I may offer a comment on the subject "dark matter". Actually this is really intresting to one that beleives science should consist of the testable/repeatable model. There used to be a diff between operational science aand origin science. Now they have mixed them and most all public instititions view natrual science through an evolutionary lense. So now we have this mass "belief" in "dark matter". Now think about this, it can't be seen nor detected, but is responsible for holding the entire universe together! In truth, they need dark matter for the problem of time - if the universe was old it would have flown apart long long ago without it. Astro physisists had many a sleepless night seeing thier spiral galaxies unraveling before their eyes (which they are) and the evolutionary clocks stop ticking, dark matter became their pixy dust, a fairy tale, sweet dreams.. it was needed, so it was invented to get their thoughts of ID deflected and medicated. Regards
No, wrong.

You are somewhat right about how astronomers knew that there was something else out there. Galaxies do spin too quickly. Now you might have a claim if that was all the evidence there was. It isn't. Gravity bends light. They can calculate how much a galaxy should bend light and how much it should bend light if there was dark matter. Guess which one they observe.

And very rarely galaxies collide. When they do at least temporarily the dark matter is separated a bit from the galaxy that it is associated with. That can be seen by how it reacts with light too.

So astronomers do have more evidence for Dark Matter than the simple fact that galaxies spin too quickly.

Level 5

Since: Apr 12

Hefei, China

#81029 Mar 15, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
i gues being in a cult makes one really angry...
Maybe, or maybe being angry makes a person join a cult.
Or maybe a third factor causes both.
bohart

White Pine, TN

#81030 Mar 15, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually no, we've never claimed that some animals don't ever change.
Not once.
You'd think that even though you're incapable of paying attention at least SOME facts would even slip through to your brain even by accident.
Liar! sharks, crocidiles , coelacanths,etc, etc.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#81031 Mar 15, 2013
bohart wrote:
<quoted text>
Liar! sharks, crocidiles , coelacanths,etc, etc.
Yes, and they all have changed.

The fact that they are recognizable as sharks, crocodiles and coelacanths does not mean that they have not changed.

Your idiocy continues to shine across the interwebs.
*THOR*

United States

#81032 Mar 16, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe, or maybe being angry makes a person join a cult.
Or maybe a third factor causes both.
Cult is just another word for Religion.

cult\ˈkəlt\
noun
Usage: often attributive
1 : formal religious veneration : worship
2 : a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents

Burnt to a crisp is another word for atheist.
*THOR*

United States

#81033 Mar 16, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, and they all have changed.

The fact that they are recognizable as sharks, crocodiles and coelacanths does not mean that they have not changed.

Your idiocy continues to shine across the interwebs.
"The fact that they are recognizable as sharks, crocodiles and coelacanths does not mean that they have not changed."

From what? Gold fish? Lmao

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#81034 Mar 16, 2013
[QUOTE who="*THOR*"]<quo ted text>
"The fact that they are recognizable as sharks, crocodiles and coelacanths does not mean that they have not changed."
From what? Gold fish? Lmao
[/QUOTE]

Really?!? Are you that stupid?

Yes, of course you are. The differences between various sharks is bigger than the differences between the various great apes, which of course includes man.

I get so tired of creatards who cannot think.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#81035 Mar 16, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
Really?!? Are you that stupid?
Yes, of course you are. The differences between various sharks is bigger than the differences between the various great apes, which of course includes man.
I get so tired of creatards who cannot think.
There's no other kind.

"There is no such thing as a thinking creationist."
d-pants7

Portage, MI

#81036 Mar 16, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
Well, Carchar King, where is this proof of the great flood? You would be the first human to ever have a shred of evidence for it. Please share.
yesm you can make fun of atheism all you want. It would be bettter if you had some actual points to make fun with.
what about all the ancient civilizations submerged in the seas of the east? They were not flooded with water? Why are they submerged then. Earthquake? Its still a flood when there's that stuff called water involved.
d-pants7

Portage, MI

#81037 Mar 16, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
Really?!? Are you that stupid?
Yes, of course you are. The differences between various sharks is bigger than the differences between the various great apes, which of course includes man.
I get so tired of creatards who cannot think.
we are tired of retards who keep trying to prop up a 150 year old theory called darwinism when you have NO fossil evidence to prove your theory and genetics blow it out of the water. Ever look at the human gene map compared to any other organism on earth? Yeah, that's right, if it slams darwin just call it junk and ignore it. Here's another question. How come in natural evolution, animals adapt to survive in a changing enviroment, but human evolved so fast to such a level that we are destroying our surroundings? Isn't that called mutation?
d-pants7

Portage, MI

#81038 Mar 16, 2013
Just restating, I'm agnostic.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#81039 Mar 16, 2013
HOG_ Hand of God wrote:
Spirituality is the first science:
Watch the point 6:20-7:50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =EeUrU-UA858XX
Good video...but the idea of the subconscious being just a mere recording device... I believe could be questioned with Kekulé’s Dream as a representation of how the mind solves problem on a higher level of conscious implying that the subconscious works on problems through the use of symbols and images. Which could possibly be linked to the thinking process of the mind before the development of language.

Kekulé’s Dream

In 1890, at the 25th anniversary of the benzene structure discovery, Friedrich August Kekulé, a German chemist, reminisced about his major accomplishments and told of two dreams that he had at key moments of his work. In his first dream, in 1865, he saw atoms dance around and link to one another. He awakened and immediately began to sketch what he saw in his dream.

Later, Kekulé had another dream, in which he saw atoms dance around, then form themselves into strings, moving about in a snake-like fashion. This vision continued until the snake of atoms formed itself into an image of a snake eating its own tail. This dream gave Kekulé the idea of the cyclic structure of benzene1.

So far as the "spiritual" world and the quantum field being the same, I would have to agree...Science is just now coming to terms with age old concepts and proving in mathematical formulas what ancient civilizations new all along.

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