Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Mar 9, 2013
 
His-truth wrote:
THIS IS GREAT .. Origin of Life Video | New Scientific Evidence for Existence of God | 7 Great Lies of Organized Religion
Random Mutation Generator | If You Can Read This, I Can Prove God Exists | Atheist's Riddle vs. Atheists | Blog .. continue
First, Perry is a crank.

Second, he's not a biologist. I think he has some math creds.

Third, his random mutation generator doesn't take natural selection into account.

Fourth, anti-evolution arguments do not constitute positive evidence of (a) God.

Fifth, he admits to the appearance of "order" via natural processes (such as fractals in plants) which contradicts his claims that order indicates intelligence.

Sixth, God is not scientific period.

Seventh, he's a theistic evolutionist who accepts common ancestry.

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all humor has an element of truth . . . deal w/ it
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Mar 9, 2013
 
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atheist religious doctrine 101 = We have convinced ourselves that God does not exist .. therefore .. man is the highest authority and the center of the universe .. in other words: each atheist is like a little god unto himself .. determining for himself the definitions of right and wrong ... totally subjective
Whereas Creationists presume God, the Almighty Creator of the universe's intentions line up with their own. In short, they boss God around.

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Mar 9, 2013
 
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Just checking, but is this your idea of civil discussion?
all humor has an element of truth ... deal w/ it
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Mar 9, 2013
 
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atheist religious doctrine 102 = Because we believe there is no God .. Human life is therefore not sacred and can be exterminated given the proper circumstance / rationalization and will ..
Creationist religious doctrine 102 = Because we believe there is a God .. Human life is therefore not sacred and can be exterminated given the proper circumstance / rationalization and will. Unless they agree with us about God.
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40+ years of legalized abortion ??.. and some might wonder why we have a generation of youth that would take what you have and kill you without a second thought
Would you rescue 10 zygotes in test tubes from a fire or one baby?

I notice you have now discarded civilised discussion in favour of ad-homs against atheists. Presumably your previous high horse has galloped away into the sunset.
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<quoted text>My "lack of belief"?
If by that you mean my reluctance to accept your hallucinations as my own, okay.
Point of fact: the fossil record provides a clear and demonstrated line of descent from the earliest life-forms to the most recent.
The geological column provides an accurate time frame for the same.
There is absolutely NO reason to inject a deity into the process.
Oh how duped you are little boy. The fossil record is far from complete and does have problems (mainly along the lines of the species problem). But those problems are not the only issues with it like the anagenesis verses cladogenesis which still have not been resolved in the interpretations of the fossil records.

As for injecting a diety into the process, I don't believe I have done that. I have stated that it is possible that our entire understanding could have been created, I have stated that science doesn't do religion because religion is not scientifically testable. Any statements about a deity will not be scientific.

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well .. it's been fun .. see yall later .. Saturday evening .. time to go watch a movie [Red Dawn].. otta be good ... http://www.nwrnetwork.com/listen/player.asp... .. later
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Here we go again! A maternity ward is proof of existing life producing life. You damn right I claim natural chemical processes without existing life, can produce life. If you claim that you are a seriously brainwashed puddle goo fundie awash in denial. Or just a liar, either one fits.
Life IS chemistry. You are in effect a walking talking bag of chemicals. Stop that chemistry and it's goodbye Tennessee.

And none of those fit because you're unable to demonstrate either.
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Mar 9, 2013
 
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not so fast skippy ... http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Then what's the "scientific theory" of IDC?
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His-truth wrote:
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all humor has an element of truth ... deal w/ it
Oh, I was dealing with it. By pointing out your hypocrisy.
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Mar 9, 2013
 
adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>Oh how duped you are little boy. The fossil record is far from complete and does have problems (mainly along the lines of the species problem). But those problems are not the only issues with it like the anagenesis verses cladogenesis which still have not been resolved in the interpretations of the fossil records.
And labelling problems aside what is clear is evolutionary progression. Which is in turn backed up by genetics:

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...
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If they are genetically incompatible then they're different species.
They are not genetically incomparable. That's the point of calling it a red hearing. Dogs are claimed to be a ring species and it is often cited the problems of a great dane mating with a Chihuahuas. The problem is, this is entirely possible, the breed of chuiuaua gets up to 40lbs but what we commonly see is the toy varieties that weight less then 9lbs and often less then 2 lbs because of fashion (9lbs was a limit placed by one of the major shows for showing the dogs). Chihuahuas were originally bread to hunt deer by the Aztecs. Almost every other ring species out there has these artificial limits as their reasonings.
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I'm not talking about those who are still genetically close enough to breed.
Which ones are you talking about? All instances of speciation I am aware of are capable of this. Even the new species of orchids, when left to their own device returned to the previous species within couple generations but even they were not genetically incapable of pollinating other orchids.
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The point is irrelevant since there is still observable change, which is what evolution predicts.
IT most certainly is not irrelevant because change is not all evolution predicts. It predicts new species from that change and here we have observed the same species which would be misidentified as separate species had we not known of them in reality.
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Then go take it up with the hard core atheists.(shrug)
I intend to. thanks for the words of encouragement... lol

I didn't mean to sound as if that was your problem somehow. Just that the two are not completely inseparable as science is in some cases replacing the religion for the Atheist.

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No. You need to learn basic English. Re-read my post. I did not say the DNA repair system actually cause many mutations. You would not say this if you truly understand the concept of DNA repair system. Do you have the math to back up the claim of successful mutations in a species that can be overcome by the DNA repair system? Their I re-worded it for you.
No, you need to reread, I stated that the "repair system" causes many of the mutations, I did not say you did.

Now, trying to ignore your obvious contradiction in telling someone else to "learn basic English" and then using the incorrect "there/their/they're " ... which just makes me think you are too disconnected from reality to even bother explaining, your question not makes zero sense.

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His-truth wrote:
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not so fast skippy ... http://www.youtube.com/watch...
That's not evidence, that is called a blind assertion, or more scientifically known as anthropomorphizing. Why do you people not get the difference between an assertion and evidence? it's like trying to ask a color blind person what color something is.

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adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>They are not genetically incomparable. That's the point of calling it a red hearing. Dogs are claimed to be a ring species and it is often cited the problems of a great dane mating with a Chihuahuas. The problem is, this is entirely possible, the breed of chuiuaua gets up to 40lbs but what we commonly see is the toy varieties that weight less then 9lbs and often less then 2 lbs because of fashion (9lbs was a limit placed by one of the major shows for showing the dogs). Chihuahuas were originally bread to hunt deer by the Aztecs. Almost every other ring species out there has these artificial limits as their reasonings.
<quoted text>Which ones are you talking about? All instances of speciation I am aware of are capable of this. Even the new species of orchids, when left to their own device returned to the previous species within couple generations but even they were not genetically incapable of pollinating other orchids.
<quoted text>IT most certainly is not irrelevant because change is not all evolution predicts. It predicts new species from that change and here we have observed the same species which would be misidentified as separate species had we not known of them in reality.
<quoted text>I intend to. thanks for the words of encouragement... lol
I didn't mean to sound as if that was your problem somehow. Just that the two are not completely inseparable as science is in some cases replacing the religion for the Atheist.
If the chihuahua is 40 pounds, it's not a chihuahua. Chihuahuas are a particular species of canine bred to be small, through a method of genetic manipulation called selective breeding. When they say that a species is incompatible, they are not talking about "the thingy doesn't fit," the genes themselves cannot produce viable offspring through natural reproduction, that's what it means. Please learn some actual science, or at least learn what science is, before you continue making a total fool of yourself.

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adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>If that is all you can offer, you need to go sit this out in the creationist corner too. At some point in evolution, life had to be created (abiogenesis or creation, pick one or make something else up, it doesn't matter).
BTW, "observed fact" of redundant. A scientific fact is an observation, you are essentially saying an "observed observation" in some attempt (knowingly or unknowingly) to lend more credit to the term fact in reference to the scientific method.
Well lets see…..

Just recently RNA and DNA chemical precursors were found in space, awhile back DNA was found on a meteor in Australia. We already know that there’s oxygen and water all over space.

Sounds to me like all we need now is a planet. The telescopes and other instruments we have in space have already found over 2700 planets revolving around other suns relatively close to our earth, just think how many there must be in the whole universe. 250,000,000,000 stars in our galaxy alone, 250,000,000,000 more galaxies out there. I think life is almost everywhere….some of it may even be sentient.

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Well lets see…..
Just recently RNA and DNA chemical precursors were found in space, awhile back DNA was found on a meteor in Australia. We already know that there’s oxygen and water all over space.
Sounds to me like all we need now is a planet. The telescopes and other instruments we have in space have already found over 2700 planets revolving around other suns relatively close to our earth, just think how many there must be in the whole universe. 250,000,000,000 stars in our galaxy alone, 250,000,000,000 more galaxies out there. I think life is almost everywhere….some of it may even be sentient.
Don't even need the oxygen if there is water.

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No, you need to reread, I stated that the "repair system" causes many of the mutations, I did not say you did.
Now, trying to ignore your obvious contradiction in telling someone else to "learn basic English" and then using the incorrect "there/their/they're " ... which just makes me think you are too disconnected from reality to even bother explaining, your question not makes zero sense.
So you're going to pick on a typo to prove that you understand English? Why don't you state a real argument on the subject instead of spell-checking? It makes zero sense because you do not understand it.

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Well lets see…..
Just recently RNA and DNA chemical precursors were found in space, awhile back DNA was found on a meteor in Australia. We already know that there’s oxygen and water all over space.
Sounds to me like all we need now is a planet. The telescopes and other instruments we have in space have already found over 2700 planets revolving around other suns relatively close to our earth, just think how many there must be in the whole universe. 250,000,000,000 stars in our galaxy alone, 250,000,000,000 more galaxies out there. I think life is almost everywhere….some of it may even be sentient.
link please

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So you're going to pick on a typo to prove that you understand English? Why don't you state a real argument on the subject instead of spell-checking? It makes zero sense because you do not understand it.
Not what I said, and that wasn't a typo, that was the wrong word used in the wrong way, and it was included in a post where you stated that I didn't understand "basic English," thus making you a hypocrite.

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