Evolution vs. Creation

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#77600 Feb 26, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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You have no clue. You are stuck in the dark ages mindset.
Likewise!
Back to sender.

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#77601 Feb 26, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
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I honestly don't understand.
Did Joshua fight the Battle of Jericho because God wanted him to?
Or because Joshua thought God wanted him to?
And what was their "re-orientations"?
The New Testament?
Ofcourse!
There are always old promises( old law or testament) and new promises( new law or testament)...

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#77602 Feb 26, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
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I don't know whether or not there is a god who is all-knowing, all-loving, and all-wise,
but I think that if there is such a god,
he would realize that that comment was destructive criticism,
and disapprove for that reason.
You can say that over again, but just for a limited period of time.
I hope you understand what a mortal is?

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#77603 Feb 26, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Halt!
And i keep telling you Bill...
You can rule out the possibility or existence of a first man and woman.
See, I knew you would finally get it...No Adam and Eve.

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#77604 Feb 26, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> That is the just the way the muslims see God, but God is never warlike.
Initially, that was what the Hebrews thought about God until their re-orientations. The muslims are still holding to the old form of viewing God, due to their Hebrew's influence.
I believe there is scripture that says God is warlike, but I can't find it right now. I'll keep looking.

Of course all of this depends on God being real..:-)

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#77605 Feb 26, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
Hell is translated from the Hebrew word sheol...
She'ol (pron.:/&#712;&#643;i &#720;o&#650;l/ SHEE-ohl or /&#712;&#643;i&#72 0;&#601;l/ SHEE-&#601;l; Hebrew &#1513;&#1456;&#14 73;&#1488;&#1493;& #1465;&#1500; &#702;l), translated as "grave", "pit", or "abode of the dead", is the Old Testament/Hebrew Bible's underworld, a place of darkness to which all the dead go, both the righteous and the unrighteous, regardless of the moral choices made in life, a place of stillness and darkness cut off from God.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheol
Ecclesiastes 9:5
4For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion. 5For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 6Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
"but the dead no not anything"
The Hebrew concept of hell is not one of torture...but one of nothingness or death.
So,Hell is essentially just your grave.

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#77606 Feb 26, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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See, I knew you would finally get it...No Adam and Eve.
Lol!
No. You can not rule out the possibility of a first man and woman.
Why Grandparents, great grand parents then?
Don't be obsessed.

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#77607 Feb 26, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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I believe there is scripture that says God is warlike, but I can't find it right now. I'll keep looking.
Of course all of this depends on God being real..:-)
Dreaming. That is the reason why we have, atheism and theism.
You can not rule either out.
Can you?

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#77608 Feb 26, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Lol!
No. You can not rule out the possibility of a first man and woman.
Why Grandparents, great grand parents then?
Don't be obsessed.
Sorry charlie...Adam and Eve as written in the Bible is impossible. The 200,000 year old humans is an archaeological fact. The DNA evidence is fact. The small percentage of blood/genes of Neanderthals that all humans (except sub-Saharan Africans) carry is factual.

There is no factual evidence at all that humans were created 6,000 years ago...none. We know for a fact that 6,000 years ago there were millions of humans ALL over the earth...there is NO controversy over this fact...ALL scientists (and the science) whose work impinges on the matter agree.

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#77609 Feb 26, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Dreaming. That is the reason why we have, atheism and theism.
You can not rule either out.
Can you?
Unless someone comes up with actual proof of God I rule out that one.

““You must not lose faith ”

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#77610 Feb 27, 2013
Cybele wrote:
If there is God, where the HELL is he?
Hi, Cybele.

I wondered were people got the idea of heaven and heel.
And apart from interesting ideas in other cultures it simply comes down to translation errors and building on that.
Christinaity is like Windows. Get the base wrong and your forever fixing hick-ups.

The garden-paraiso-paradise (persian) on the plains-eden (Akkadian).'Messengers'* becoming angels with wings.
And Hell was Jerome misunderstanding heylel (hebrew) i Isaiah.
http://www.israelofgod.org/lucifer.htm

*Could frankly be any passer-by, the way the parables go is all about what the beholder attributes to them. And most often it is to dreams.

Obviously the gods are spread in any and everything, even since mankind (and maybe the dinosaurs, but ask Charles Idemi about that) cameup with attributions. Collective memory wouls also be a good one.

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#77611 Feb 27, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Where did Jesus say he was when he said the lords prayer? It is opposite to hell..I just wanted you to know that.
That is avoiding the question. Since when was a son o man ever the same as god.
Again translation trouble. This time from another persian dialect called Aramaic. That we are told Jesus spoke.
Son of god-son of governors. So either the actual son of an elder or alos an elder of the house of judges i.e. courthouse.

So if we can get all those wrong attributions out and stop borrowing and looking for confirmations of errors in the torah (adding insult to injury imo.), the story is nothing more but a report on the roman provinces.

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#77612 Feb 27, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Jesus is at the right hand of God the father in heaven. Jesus and the father are one. It is hard for many people to understand this.
The use of he word 'father' also comes from aramaic, so it's frankly silly to use a hebrew book to justify these notions.
You should look in Avestan ideas and the religion of Baal and the gang of Gad-Cybele (who started out as Cybeke a Hurrian queen) for the origin and explanation of christian ideas.
So NW syrian turf.

Right hand is symbolism for power. So you simply wrote that nametitle-jesus is at the power of god + added aramaic notion plus akkadian notion.

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#77613 Feb 27, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> No, that was just an in-complete defeat. No one can completely defeat the almighty God.
Adam and Eve sinned, but God raised Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, etc, to fill in the gaps.
God can raise any body any time.
I always find it amazing how christians can get so many incompatible interpretations, antagonistic and contradicting points of view merged into one.

Ah well most lack theological education.(And i mean proper European. In America everyone can become priest/minister no need for at least greek, latin and hebrew and aramaic or mythological knowledge.)

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#77614 Feb 27, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Me too.
What???

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#77615 Feb 27, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> You don't understand any thing, do you?
Jesus Christ was the word or spirit, that became flesh to die for you .
And that became the catholic church.
So why does it not die for us!

It must be B.S. thus, since they never took the logical consequence all the way to the end.

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#77616 Feb 27, 2013
Or we are to conclude that the catholic church considers itself the resurrected god.

And that would not be far from the truth, as from the chair speaking with the authority of god and thus being the word of god.

Revelation has therefore allready be fullfilled, in all their wars on, and calling others the anti-christ.
And how often have others not called them the beast-lamb with the seals broken.

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#77617 Feb 27, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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Saved from what??
If so we don't have to keep on fretting or swear some allegance to being saved.
It's either done or not.
Otherwise we have god wavering about, as if it's some petition to sign up YES/NO, and the outcome is pending on the committee's announcement after the count.

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#77618 Feb 27, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> As it ever occurred to you that several people before you, have said more than that/ this, but today the y are no more while the work of God to date, continues.
No one can stop God, except he or she one can stop death!
Impossible!!!
So you are unable to admit you are a liar, how very christian of you.

And you are still unable to show any proof, how very christian of you.

And I see you still have your fingers in your ears and chant la, la, la, la

Has it ever occurred to you that the vast majority of those doing that work for god since his invention (offshoot of the aten sun god) some 4000 years ago are also dead. Their constituent molecules and atoms are in the air you breathe, the food you eat and the water you bathe in.

And people are still staying that/this

Your belief in god makes not the slightest difference to fact

P.S.In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return- Genesis 3:19 KJV

Just something for you to think about while you ponder god magic and the extent of life.
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#77620 Feb 27, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
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I don't know whether or not there is a god who is all-knowing, all-loving, and all-wise,
but I think that if there is such a god,
he would realize that that comment was destructive criticism,
and disapprove for that reason.
Charles is long lost in the his authoritarian interpretation of the Bible. He's reached that plebeian stage where he feels that he's paid his dues and that others MUST submit to subjugation or pay their dues in the school of hard knocks. If I didn't know better, I'd assume that he's the average American Joe from a run-down old neighborhood in the Northeast-Great Lakes area that was once populated by litigious union workers.

Still looking for a shred of insight or even self-awareness of his state of existence, but otherwise, there's not a quantum of useful information in anything he posts.

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