Evolution vs. Creation

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The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#76527 Feb 19, 2013
bohart wrote:
All right Dude, here's your big chance, tell the world..........How did chemistry create the first lifeform?
Unknown at this point. It is however currently under research by a number of scientific organisations.

This has been explained numerous times, so one can only presume dishonesty for your constant repetition. Plus the fact it has zero bearing on the validity of evolution.

Also the point that any unknowns does not make valid justification for your god of the gaps argument to win by default.
bohart wrote:
Because your damn lies about chemistry creating life through natural means is sickening.
Existing life creates life ! you damn liar!
A liar for the goo!
No, you are a liar for Jesus. I on the other hand have not lied. The problem you are unable to recognise is that life IS chemistry. Something which you would know if you had the slightest bit of scientific knowledge.

And your other problem is that your position requires you to break your own rule. Twice.
bohart wrote:
Existing life creates life!
God was not created. Ergo existing life did NOT create life. You require special exemption.

Adam and Eve were NOT produced by natural reproductive means, but rather by artificial means. You forgot that when life creates other forms of life they do so via naturally occurring biological processes. God did not do it that way. You require special exemption.

Of course all this is moot since your position rests on a grand total of zero evidence.

You are a liar for Jesus.

I should think God would be disappointed.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#76528 Feb 19, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> No one would really want to accept a stinking defeat, it is a shame on the part of the mighty Egyptian to be defeated by their own slaves, no one would want to put down such a story.
The whole slave thing is a myth. Sure the Egyptians had some, and from many different cultures. Just like most large societies. But the whole slaves building the pyramids BS like in Hollywood movies is BS.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#76529 Feb 19, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Stinking defeat and defeat, are truly not really the same. The defeat were really beyond their imaginations, to avoid that, they decided not to put down the story.
Think, why the Egyptians and not any other nations?
They were next door?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#76530 Feb 19, 2013
Zackly wrote:
<quoted text>Was 'SYSTEMS, CYCLES and PATTERNS' theory in there somewhere?
No.

Still don't care Mikey.

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#76531 Feb 19, 2013
MAAT wrote:
http://www.extremetech.com/ext reme/143497-cern-now-99-999999 999-sure-it-has-found-the-higg s-boson
13 dec 2012 but they confirmed to sigma 7.
In 2015 the LHC in CERN starts up again, than actual confirmation should follow.
And Cybele the site links to an explanation as to what what a higgs-boson actually is.
CYBELE with hindsight and taking a look at the page, i urgently suggest you take a look at wiki for a better explanation of the higgs-boson.(shock and all that god-particles brrr)

I still go for Geons.

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#76532 Feb 19, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
What? Try once more. In English this time please. I don't speak gibberish.
The problem with that is, when he translates his 'gibberish' it comes back as 'gobbledygook'

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Seffner, FL

#76533 Feb 19, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> You or any one else can not right off the Exodus accounts of Moses and the Israelites from the land of Egypt, i think, there were some truth there, they can not just fabricate such a story.
Remember, this is a story between two existing nations.
Yet a fabrication is appears to be. Based on the, you know, evidence. Or lack there of.

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#76534 Feb 19, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Stinking defeat and defeat, are truly not really the same. The defeat were really beyond their imaginations, to avoid that, they decided not to put down the story.
Think, why the Egyptians and not any other nations?
What???

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#76535 Feb 19, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
SCREW the tenth commandment!!!
>:-(
I can haz Cheezburger?

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#76536 Feb 19, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>Most don't. Most are like me and demand evidence.

Do you have any? No.
Hmm. SZ babbling BS again. Go figure.

"According to a survey of members of the American Assn. for the Advancement of Science, conducted by the Pew Research Center in May and June this year, a majority of scientists (51%) say they believe in God or a higher power, while 41% say they do not."

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#76537 Feb 19, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>A question for you.
If truly we christians are liars, why after a century of your so called enlightenment, you guys are still in the minority?
You're giving them too much credit
Minority! They barely exist!

The CIA World Factbook gives the world population as 7,021,836,029 (July 2012 est.) and the distribution of religions as Christian 33.35%(of which Roman Catholic 16.83%, Protestant 6.08%, Orthodox 4.03%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.43%, Hindu 13.78%, Buddhist 7.13%, Sikh 0.36%, Jewish 0.21%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 11.17%, atheists 2.04%.

"Posted earlier by derek4

Study: Atheists Have Lowest 'Retention Rate' Compared to Religious Groups

Only about 30 percent of those who grow up in an atheist household remain atheists as adults. This "retention rate" was the lowest among the 20 separate categories in the study.

There were 1,387 atheists (weighted) in the survey. Four-hundred thirty-two weighted respondents said they were raised atheist. Of those, 131 self-identified as atheist.

Continued:

Gray also noted that, "of those raised as atheists, 30% are now affiliated with a Protestant denomination, 10% are Catholic, 2% are Jewish, 1% are Mormon, and 1% are Pagan."

Jehovah's Witness, congregationalist and holiness churches had the next lowest retention rates at 37 percent, 37 percent and 32 percent, respectively. Thirty-eight percent of those who grew up with no particular religious faith or belief system remained that way.

Hindus had the highest retention rate at 84 percent, followed by Jews (76 percent), Muslims (76 percent), Greek Orthodox (73 percent), Mormons (70 percent) and Catholics (68 percent).

Baptists had the highest retention rate of the Protestant Christian categories at 60 percent, followed by Lutheran (59 percent) and Pentecostal (50 percent).

http://www.christianpost.com/news/study-athei...

[Right; NO thinking people don't want to be atheists.]

From: Deseret News / Salt Lake City, UT

July, 2012

“Atheists abandon their beliefs more often than people in other religious groups, study finds”

A new study has found that people raised in an atheist home abandon those beliefs as adults more often than people raised with other religious belief systems, putting atheism at a 30 percent retention rate. Conclusions and interpretations of the study are that atheists are more often "made" as adults rather than "raised." The highest retention rates are in the Hindu faith, which holds onto about 84 percent of adherents.

Those who grow up in an atheist household are least likely to maintain their beliefs about religion as adults, according to a study by Georgetown University's Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate (CARA).

Only about 30 percent of those who grow up in an atheist household remain atheists as adults. This "retention rate" was the lowest among the 20 separate categories in the study.

There were 1,387 atheists (weighted) in the survey. Four-hundred thirty-two weighted respondents said they were raised atheist. Of those, 131 self-identified as atheist.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765589392/...

[Who would want to be an atheist? LOL]"
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#76538 Feb 19, 2013
Humanoid wrote:
<quoted text>If a human baby is raised by monkeys, the human will act like a monkey....correct? If a child is raised by wolves, the child will act like a wolf.....agreed? A child learns a religion, it will live that religion......so true? See, monkey see, monkey do. A human is a product of its environment. It adapts to survive or it dies. Religion warps reality....its a survival mechanism, formed out of fear..........they are out there.
I prefer to call it a pathological lie. Religion is a set of lies produced by a culture that they understand intuitively, while others only get a simple story recommending personal sacrifice that will never be rewarded. Religion IS bigotry. No other interpretation even comes close.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#76539 Feb 19, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>It's more like my style of guitar-picking, I keep playing the same chourds over and over again and I have hurt myself with that.:)
Well, I don't think you'll be labeled an artist anytime soon.

Still sounds like a Caucasian flavor of bigotry to me. Gibberish, invented to obfuscate at best, but possibly a mental disorder.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#76540 Feb 19, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
You're giving them too much credit
Minority! They barely exist!
The CIA World Factbook gives the world population as 7,021,836,029 (July 2012 est.) and the distribution of religions as Christian 33.35%(of which Roman Catholic 16.83%, Protestant 6.08%, Orthodox 4.03%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.43%, Hindu 13.78%, Buddhist 7.13%, Sikh 0.36%, Jewish 0.21%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 11.17%, atheists 2.04%.
"Posted earlier by derek4
Study: Atheists Have Lowest 'Retention Rate' Compared to Religious Groups
Only about 30 percent of those who grow up in an atheist household remain atheists as adults. This "retention rate" was the lowest among the 20 separate categories in the study.
There were 1,387 atheists (weighted) in the survey. Four-hundred thirty-two weighted respondents said they were raised atheist. Of those, 131 self-identified as atheist.
Continued:
Gray also noted that, "of those raised as atheists, 30% are now affiliated with a Protestant denomination, 10% are Catholic, 2% are Jewish, 1% are Mormon, and 1% are Pagan."
Jehovah's Witness, congregationalist and holiness churches had the next lowest retention rates at 37 percent, 37 percent and 32 percent, respectively. Thirty-eight percent of those who grew up with no particular religious faith or belief system remained that way.
Hindus had the highest retention rate at 84 percent, followed by Jews (76 percent), Muslims (76 percent), Greek Orthodox (73 percent), Mormons (70 percent) and Catholics (68 percent).
Baptists had the highest retention rate of the Protestant Christian categories at 60 percent, followed by Lutheran (59 percent) and Pentecostal (50 percent).
http://www.christianpost.com/news/study-athei...
[Right; NO thinking people don't want to be atheists.]
From: Deseret News / Salt Lake City, UT
July, 2012
“Atheists abandon their beliefs more often than people in other religious groups, study finds”
A new study has found that people raised in an atheist home abandon those beliefs as adults more often than people raised with other religious belief systems, putting atheism at a 30 percent retention rate. Conclusions and interpretations of the study are that atheists are more often "made" as adults rather than "raised." The highest retention rates are in the Hindu faith, which holds onto about 84 percent of adherents.
Those who grow up in an atheist household are least likely to maintain their beliefs about religion as adults, according to a study by Georgetown University's Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate (CARA).
Only about 30 percent of those who grow up in an atheist household remain atheists as adults. This "retention rate" was the lowest among the 20 separate categories in the study.
There were 1,387 atheists (weighted) in the survey. Four-hundred thirty-two weighted respondents said they were raised atheist. Of those, 131 self-identified as atheist.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765589392/...
[Who would want to be an atheist? LOL]"
Most recent polls show the number of non-believers in the US to be far far higher than 2%...

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#76541 Feb 19, 2013
MAAT wrote:
<quoted text>
CYBELE with hindsight and taking a look at the page, i urgently suggest you take a look at wiki for a better explanation of the higgs-boson.(shock and all that god-particles brrr)
I still go for Geons.
How is higgs-boson different from prime matter?

here's a 3 min explanation of prime matter that make up the element hydrogen

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#76542 Feb 19, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
How is higgs-boson different from prime matter?
here's a 3 min explanation of prime matter that make up the element hydrogen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =eXRSHkO05bkXX
Do we know this prome matter exists? how?

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#76543 Feb 19, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Do we know this prome matter exists? how?
The theory makes sense considering hydrogen is the lightest and simplest element and the most abundant in the universe. Hydrogen bond is critical in overall stability of DNA. So it's a key to life creation.

"Hydrogen is a chemical element. Its atomic number is 1, which makes it the simplest, known element in the entire universe.[4] Hydrogen is the true primordial substance, the first atom produced after the big bang. All chemical elements were formed from hydrogen by the processes of nuclear fusion." - wiki

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Seffner, FL

#76544 Feb 19, 2013
Speaking of that goddamn particle:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/18/us-...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#76545 Feb 19, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
The theory makes sense considering hydrogen is the lightest and simplest element and the most abundant in the universe. Hydrogen bond is critical in overall stability of DNA. So it's a key to life creation.
"Hydrogen is a chemical element. Its atomic number is 1, which makes it the simplest, known element in the entire universe.[4] Hydrogen is the true primordial substance, the first atom produced after the big bang. All chemical elements were formed from hydrogen by the processes of nuclear fusion." - wiki
Again, do we know that this prime matter exists? is it just another theory like dark matter?

Most things i have read suggest that hydrogen was not the only element to come out of the cooling universe. other light elements were there also.

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#76546 Feb 19, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Again, do we know that this prime matter exists? is it just another theory like dark matter?
Most things i have read suggest that hydrogen was not the only element to come out of the cooling universe. other light elements were there also.
Other elements were there but hydrogen was produced first. Do you know how other elements were formed? Hydrogen has one electron and one proton and the other elements have combination of electrons and protons and neutrons.

from yahoo:

The more gas there is, the higher the compression, and the hotter it gets. A star is a mass of trillions of tonnes of gas that has contracted till it has heated up to billions of degrees. The compression and temperature is so great, that atoms of hydrogen are fused together to form helium.

When the hydrogen is all fused, then further compression will cause the helium to fuse to form other elements. Elements hydrogen, helium, lithium, berrberylliumon and carbon are formed in this way.

Elements more complex than carbon cannot be fused in a star - it takes the massive energy of an exploding star to form the other elements of which the earth (and us) is composed. We are therefore composed in part from stardust of an exploding star.

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com

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