Evolution vs. Creation

There are 20 comments on the Jan 6, 2011, Best of New Orleans story titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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earlyapex

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#76111 Feb 15, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
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What has a scientist who was an atheist ever done to hurt you?
If a scientific investigation is carefully designed, it will come to the same results no matter what the experimenter expects.
If a scientific report is carefully written, it will be perfectly objective.
So an acceptable scientific report will say nothing about God.
Or leprechauns.
Or gremlins.
Or invisible pink unicorns.
Or flying spaghetti monsters.
Or--well, you get the idea.(I hope.)
If only it were so! Unfortunately, science is run by humans, and humans do what they always do - insert bias. Even science is biased dramatically by personal political beliefs (i.e. global warming - look up the p-value on the relationship between carbon dioxide and temperature).

There are very few, if any, scientists who initiate a study without the intent of proving his/her particular theory.

Back on topic, if evolution is false why are so many genes homologous between a human being and a rabbit for example? Why is it that we are able to grow human recombinant proteins in e. coli bacteria?

The only requirement to disbelieve in evolution is a lack of education. Now Darwin didn't get it all exactly right. Real evolution happens a lot faster than what he estimated because cells have a lot more ability to rearrange DNA (ie spliceosome) and create different proteins, etc. Hell, we even have nucleic enzymes that can move DNA around on a chromosome.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Evolution is true.....

#76112 Feb 15, 2013
"Religious behavior evolved for a single reason: to further the survival of human societies. Those who administer religions should not assume they cannot be altered. To the contrary, religions are Durkheimian structures, eminently adjustable to a society’s needs. They are shaped in implicit negotiation with supernatural powers who then give instructions to promote society’s interests. Much of course depends on the craft and inspiration of the negotiators. But first it is necessary to understand that negotiation is possible.

Maybe religion needs to undergo a second transformation, similar in scope to the transition from hunter gatherer religion to that of settled societies. In this new configuration, religion would retain all its old powers of binding people together for a common purpose, whether for morality or defense. It would touch all the senses and lift the mind. It would transcend self. And it would find a way to be equally true to emotion and to reason, to our need to belong to one another and to what has been learned of the human condition through rational inquiry."

Nicholas Wade “The Faith Instinct: How Religion Evolved and Why It Endures,”

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#76113 Feb 15, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>So the bible is fictionalized history? so what? it's basic premise is based on proven lies...you know this but as a cult member, you cannot stray from the cult line...
More shit from you.
Now give me three( 3) archaeological proof or evidence for Harry Porter ?

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#76114 Feb 15, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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They lived in a time when the church would kill you if you did not believe.
I like that!
And yet they were not killed.
They were allowed to go on with their inventions and discoveries.
I hope you know you have no point in that remarks.

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#76115 Feb 15, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>and now that people around the world are free to openly express their disbelief in the cults, the change is happening rapidly..
the threat of death from the cults had a lot to do with this not happeneing earlier...
Foul!
Most people born 150 years are long dead, buried and probably forgotten and yet your so called foul theory has done nothing to change any thing.
The fact remains, no one can stop the most high( God).

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Evolution is true.....

#76116 Feb 15, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> I like that!
And yet they were not killed.
They were allowed to go on with their inventions and discoveries.
I hope you know you have no point in that remarks.
The point is my friend that whenever the church rules society you either agree with them or die.

The Catholic church was famous (or infamous) for killing non-believers during the Dark-Ages and the Middle-Ages.

We can never know for sure what these people believed deep down.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Evolution is true.....

#76117 Feb 15, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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"Of course my denial doesn't prove it wrong"
Good we have that settled.
But, science is....

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Evolution is true.....

#76118 Feb 15, 2013
What happened??

Sorry admin

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#76119 Feb 15, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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I've addressed you directly hundreds and hundreds of times over. You in turn are incapable of addressing anything.
So you see now why your post is particularly ironic.
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There is no debate. Never has been. The essence of all the fuss is that a bunch of reality-denying fruitcakes take ancient parables literally even if they were never meant to be and so claim that reality is not real because an invisible Jewish wizard did things differently.
Go on with your gibberish, in my life experiences, i have not seen any one defeating the almighty. They will only boast, brag that they are this or that, but only to end up in the grave or being cremated.

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#76120 Feb 15, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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You assume a "who" is necessary. Until we have more information it would be far more appropriate to say "what".
But leaving aside the question of the singularity itself, so far the evidence points to the Big Bang.
Ok, big bang?
Now explain how that big bang brought the universe into form?

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#76121 Feb 15, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Yes, the Bible is real. That is not always the case for the claims in its collection of stories however. Period.
The Bible is not true just because the Bible sez so.
Herod was a real guy.
His order to kill babies cannot be verified.
Talking lizards and donkeys never existed.
Period.
Not only Herod many other biblical characters have been verified archaeologically.
Others not yet discovered can not make the bible to be false.
The bible once again, is real!

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#76122 Feb 15, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>More shit from you.
Now give me three( 3) archaeological proof or evidence for Harry Porter ?
You should pay woodtick no heed.
He just try's to tick Christians off.
He has nothing real to offer.

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#76123 Feb 15, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>But, science is....
Dead wrong!

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#76124 Feb 15, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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So is climbing the stairs.
By the way, "educationist" is showing as wrong on my spell check.
With good reason.
In just this one case however I will let you off since English is not your first language.
Oh, and I'm still waiting on that 500 quid for letting you use it.
Point of correction, English is official to my country, we are well educated far and wide even more than your folks over there.
Most of my patriots, in the UK and US alone, tends to do better than their English, British and American counterparts.
By Educationist, i meant trained Teacher or Professional in the field of Education( Teaching, Lecturing, Examining and Supervising, etc).

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#76125 Feb 15, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> More shit from you.
Now give me three( 3) archaeological proof or evidence for Harry Porter ?
Charles, nothing in scripture justifies or authorizes denigration of another individual either online, in person, whatever the media.

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#76126 Feb 15, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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So is climbing the stairs.
By the way, "educationist" is showing as wrong on my spell check.
With good reason.
In just this one case however I will let you off since English is not your first language.
Oh, and I'm still waiting on that 500 quid for letting you use it.
And again, like i earlier said, your educational background in Government and History is zero( nought).
I have asked you before, why colonialism? due to poor foundation in the above subjects you could not.
Now, despite the negative nature of colonialism, there are some good, they are:
Schools, Research centres, Linguistic or language studies, etc, which were not really free. A good example is, Harvard, Yale, Queen's college, etc.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

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#76127 Feb 15, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Point of correction, God the creator.
What is the title of this thread or forum?
Like i said, do you really have an eye?
"God the creator" isn't your deity?

Never mind, I was distracted by that.

Okay, where are scientists trying to disprove God the creator?

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

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#76128 Feb 15, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Ok, don't run away from this question that i have been asking, how did the universe came into form?
I've already answered you on that one, more than once.

You really should pay attention.

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#76129 Feb 15, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Yes, but that has little to do with their contributions to science.
Sure, Newton may have said God was his inspiration, but his theory of gravity was still inaccurate.
And are Francis Collins and Ken Miller believers of God? Why yes they are!
And they still think fundie YECism is complete bollox. With good reason.
Wrong!
Are you trying to discredit Newton?
Give me one inventions in your credit, you foul liar?

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#76130 Feb 15, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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The reality is likely quite different. You have no idea how nuanced Christianity can be. After all there are numerous sects, all with their own different ideas of how it works. Dogen who posts with us lot is a Buddhist Christian for example, IIRC.
Foul!
All true Christians teaches and preaches, the tenets or precepts of the bible( God and Jesus Christ).
Dogen is a follower of Zen and a Budhist.

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