Evolution vs. Creation

There are 20 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Since: Mar 11

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#74239 Feb 6, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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By the definition of science...I agree.
And of course, there are religious definition of people that lie out side of religious beliefs...
the fact that your religion is based on a proven lie makes it a cult no matter how you look at it.

sorry, the truth hurts, but you were probably sucked into the cult as a child like most were. but here you have a choice...you know it is based on a lie. why continue pretending to believe this lie?

movie time..have fun with your cult!!!

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#74240 Feb 6, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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I like how you begin with an ad hominem, and set the stage with hostility.
Viruses do not evolve. They just taught that class to my son in high school. Viruses are a whole study onto themselves that don't fit at all into the evolutionary model, as they cannot even agree whether a virus is alive or not.
In fact, biology is so complex now than it use to be, the very definition of life is up for grabs.
You have no clue what you are talking about, and that is from my 15-year old that just had a class on this very subject.
I'd laugh, if this level of gross unscientific misinformation was not such a total and complete danger to society in general.
And since evolution has NEVER been proven, there is no need. Eventually it will fall into the trash heap along with Eugenics and other defunct theories.
Yankee, your language demonstrates that you know very little of science and are in no position to judge evolution.

Let me help you. "Proof" is a mathematical term. You do not prove things in science. Hypotheses are developed into theories by testing, if theories fail the tests they are no longer theories. Evolution has been continually tested for over 150 years and it has passed every test. It is a well accepted scientific theory and a well accepted scientific theory is higher than a law in scientific hierarchy. That is because a law is just an observation of an event that always happens where a theory is the observation with an explanation. An observation that life evolves without an explanation would be a Law of Evolution. The Theory of Evolution tops that.

Next you are flat out wrong about viruses not evolving. Just because they are not the same sort of life as cellular life does not mean they cannot evolve. In fact by the most strict definition of evolution they do evolve.

Don't get your facts from lying creationist sites. It only makes you look like a fool.

““You must not lose faith ”

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#74241 Feb 6, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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I like how you begin with an ad hominem, and set the stage with hostility.
Viruses do not evolve. They just taught that class to my son in high school. Viruses are a whole study onto themselves that don't fit at all into the evolutionary model, as they cannot even agree whether a virus is alive or not.
In fact, biology is so complex now than it use to be, the very definition of life is up for grabs.
You have no clue what you are talking about, and that is from my 15-year old that just had a class on this very subject.
I'd laugh, if this level of gross unscientific misinformation was not such a total and complete danger to society in general.
And since evolution has NEVER been proven, there is no need. Eventually it will fall into the trash heap along with Eugenics and other defunct theories.
What school does your son go too.
And then he teaches you what the thinks he remembers and then you think you can teach a.o. professors what it is all about.
Now understand why yo can't define anything, and why you get it all wrong.

i stopped reading. Virusses do mutate. And here we go what is mutation after but ....evolution.And surviving and be enhanced in a hostile environment.
You are unfit to be a parent...it seems the interpretation to what he learned came straight out of the creationist agenda.

When a virus evolves it becomes a blue parrot with an umbrella.
If not...it is not evolution.
Don't let those pseudo-scientists tell you otherwise!
Amen.

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#74242 Feb 6, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Ok.
Msn, wikipedia and yahoo.
And yes-you ARE clueless.
Irony.

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Since: Feb 13

Riverside , CA

#74243 Feb 6, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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Only true over a very long period of time, if you can find evidence of mutations.
Not true since humans have been around, which is a very short period of time.
It makes no logical sense when so few mutations occur, and so few of the mutations result in positive natural selection.
The fossil record proves nothing, it is just data to be interpreted like all other data.
As a scientist, I can offer no explanation of the origin of life. No one can if they are honest about the data. At this point, aliens creating us is more likely now than evolution.
As a Christian, God of course.
As a christian your bias and there for can not be objective of the facts, so calling your self a scientist is a joke ...

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#74244 Feb 6, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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The evolutionary model is my source.
Check it out for yourself.
I use only their definitions, I have no opinions of my own.
You probably do not understand the evolutionary model.

Here is a fact for you, and if you are honest I will convince you that it is true: Their is literally a mountain of scientific evidence that supports the theory of evolution, and none that supports creationism.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#74245 Feb 6, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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Thread?
Re-post:

The level of support for creationism among relevant scientists is minimal. Only 700 out of 480,000 U.S. earth and life scientists gave credence to creationism in 1987,[27] representing about 0.146% of relevant scientists. In 2007 the Discovery Institute reported that about 600 scientists signed their A Scientific Dissent From Darwinism list, up from 100 in 2001.[151]

The actual statement of the Scientific Dissent from Darwinism is a relatively mild one that expresses skepticism about the absoluteness of 'Darwinism'(and is in line with the falsifiability required of scientific theories) to explain all features of life, and does not in any way represent an absolute denial or rejection of evolution.[152]

By contrast, a tongue-in-cheek response known as Project Steve, a list of scientists named Steve who agree that evolution is "a vital, well-supported, unifying principle of the biological sciences," has 1229 Steves as of September 24, 2012. People named Steve make up approximately 1% of the total U.S. population.

The United States National Science Foundation statistics on US yearly science graduates demonstrate that from 1987 to 2001, the number of biological science graduates increased by 59% while the number of geological science graduates decreased by 20.5%.

However, the number of geology graduates in 2001 was only 5.4% of the number of graduates in the biological sciences, while it was 10.7% of the number of biological science graduates in 1987.[153] The Science Resources Statistics Division of the National Science Foundation estimated that in 1999, there were 955,300 biological scientists in the US (about 1/3 of who hold graduate degrees). There were also 152,800 earth scientists in the US as well.[154]

Therefore, the 600 Darwin Dissenters signing the A Scientific Dissent From Darwinism represent about 0.054% of the estimated 1,108,100 biological and geological scientists in the US in 1999. In addition, a large fraction of the Darwin Dissenters have specialties unrelated to research on evolution; of the dissenters, three-quarters are not biologists.[155] Therefore, the roughly 150 biologist Darwin Dissenters represent about 0.0157% of the US biologists that existed in 1999.

As of 2006, the list was expanded to include non-US scientists, overestimating the number of US scientists that do not accept evolution according to the Discovery Institute,[156] a known creationist lobby institution. Despite the increase in absolute number of scientists willing to sign the dissent form, and an increase in public support, proportionately the figures indicates the support from scientists for creationism and intelligent design is steadily decreasing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_support...

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#74246 Feb 6, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Say what? What have you been smoking?
Definitions
Alpha
Noun
The first letter of the Greek alphabet, transliterated as a..
Omega
Noun
The twenty-fourth, and last, letter of the Greek alphabet, transliterated as o
English translation Alpha, the first letter of the Greek alphabet. Omega, the last letter of the Greek alphabet
The dictionary PROVES you wrong
You hypocritical moron
Or put another way
eta beta pi
You are the one smoking, you bloody liar.
Alpha stands for beginning( first Greek letter) and Omega stands for end( last letter of the Greeks).
These are also the attributes of God, first and last, Moron.

““You must not lose faith ”

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#74247 Feb 6, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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The evolutionary model is my source.
Check it out for yourself.
I use only their definitions, I have no opinions of my own.
You obviously do not, or there would be no issue.
You are asked to provide yours, since we had the science definitions allready hundreds of times.

So nothing comes...

Then read along but do shut up, for you make no viable contribution in this way.
If we can read it all for ourselves anyway, stop distracting us reading.

goodbye.

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#74248 Feb 6, 2013
MADRONE wrote:
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It seems the value has been properly set.
I agree... to materialists, it's absolutely worthless.lol

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#74249 Feb 6, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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my sentiments exactly...just faith and God...everything else is just the devil in details...lol
Then why do you and Langoliers quote from the bible.(fat dirty finger...must be the bible for the cover says so, says the wife that had some spelling in first grade.)

So the usual trinity of Faith..God...Lying.

Must be a cult too.

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#74250 Feb 6, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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Only true over a very long period of time, if you can find evidence of mutations.
Not true since humans have been around, which is a very short period of time.
It makes no logical sense when so few mutations occur, and so few of the mutations result in positive natural selection.
The fossil record proves nothing, it is just data to be interpreted like all other data.
As a scientist, I can offer no explanation of the origin of life. No one can if they are honest about the data. At this point, aliens creating us is more likely now than evolution.
As a Christian, God of course.
Rules of debate: claiming is proving.
That goes for all statements.

But since you find this one so obvious:

How did your god do it.

“what we think we become”

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Since: Aug 11

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#74251 Feb 6, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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Only true over a very long period of time, if you can find evidence of mutations.
Not true since humans have been around, which is a very short period of time.
It makes no logical sense when so few mutations occur, and so few of the mutations result in positive natural selection.
The fossil record proves nothing, it is just data to be interpreted like all other data.
As a scientist, I can offer no explanation of the origin of life. No one can if they are honest about the data. At this point, aliens creating us is more likely now than evolution.
As a Christian, God of course.
Only the real God is the real Scientist.

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#74252 Feb 6, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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You can assure me of whatever you like it will make no difference to FACT
You want an explanation without the bother of learning and because that explanation is beyond your simple comprehension you ignore it anyway.
You want that explanation on topix without the bother of learning because you are too ignorant to bother learning.
Vanity upon vanity is vanity!
Einstein, Newton and others whether they believed in God or not, never change the attributes of God, his existence and glory continues because he is God.
More of your shit.

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#74253 Feb 6, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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How did your god do it.
It would scare the sh!t out of you.

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#74254 Feb 6, 2013
trekx wrote:
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As a christian your bias and there for can not be objective of the facts, so calling your self a scientist is a joke ...
A bad joke.
At least xxxooxxx can make a joke at his own expence.

But this week i've been busy a.o. with figuring out the mechanism behind AD, Diab II and various other assorted symptoms.
So apart from hard science i ran into the effect of HFCS. That can make you stupid and fat in no time.
So being from a different continent i figured that the guy maybe once was a scientist that got 'fructosed' irrepairably.
And since, overthere, one can get 'degrees with corn-flakes boxes', it is hard for me to judge. ;P

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#74255 Feb 6, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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No kidding. Yes, it is a symbol. But not a translation as Chuckles the Clown maintains.
Clown, you do not understand spiritual matters. God is the source of life( alpha stands for that) and the end of life( omega stands for that).
Creation( beginning) and judgement( end).

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#74256 Feb 6, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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If a theory was 100% certain, then it would be a fact and not a theory.
How hard do you have to work to maintain that level of ignorace? Consantly shutting out reality must take a lot of effort

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#74257 Feb 6, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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It would scare the sh!t out of you.
Probably, but then i would have my G-D have the shit beat out of his god.
Biggur dickus, first right, copyrights and all that.
HA. i'll sue the pants off too. See if his believer still kiss his ass!

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#74258 Feb 6, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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By definition. But still, if you ask "why is there anything rather than nothing", saying "God" answers nothing at all. Why is there God rather than nothing at all?
All you have done is plug in a magic word to try and make the question go away, and failed.
The real answer you are too terrified to accept? Nobody has a damned clue.
To your last statement, i will say faith can be applied in that capacity. We Christians believed that God almighty exist, because the evidence are all around us.

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