Evolution vs. Creation

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008. Read more

“I be me, and you are...”

Level 6

Since: Dec 06

in a city...

#73308 Jan 30, 2013
GatorBUILT wrote:
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As I said...artificial machines do not have to burden themsleves wth the same things a human brain does: breathing, eating, sympathetic systems, assympathetic systems, fatigue, etc, etc...so the question is HOW much would a MACHINE require to do X activity...do we not currently have machines which do the weork of humans: cranes for lifting, artificial hearts, robots at plants...Kurzweil has not yet even proposed WHAT this machine will do, so determining the amount of memeory, computing power, etc cannot b addressed until the parameters/criteria are resolved...got it? we already have AI machines...you seem to be talking about an artificial HUMAN...but, again, artificial implies that it will not require nearly the overhead that a human requires just to wake, breath, live, eat and then sleep- pure survival mode...as well as implying thjat it look like, act like and have the same physical body-type as humans...yuou argument is poorly constructed, not well thought out...and not for nothing, but AI implies a machine which can LEARN and MODIFY its behaviour for successful future endeavors...so when you define your criteria, you'll let me know...AI is not just one field...it has MANY fields...Kurzweil knows this and has posited simply mapping the human brain,hence his conclusion is to start at the obvious: how big does it have to be...of course we have long ago realized that computer memory is propotional to MATERIALS ENGINEERING capabilities...this is where the bottleneck will always be..and of course WHO decides what INTELLIGENCE is appropriate...will it be a creationist or a scientist, for example...
Uhhh you were typing fast hu? Sleves I write that all the time instead of selves...

It's still in processing look at the tiny guys with flat screens televised viewing in TREEHOUSES?

Have you ever heard such a thing? Next we'll grow Trees with houses now that will be the day...

“I be me, and you are...”

Level 6

Since: Dec 06

in a city...

#73311 Jan 30, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Everybody knows MATH is the universal language. Don't engineers know that?
And I do my own Math to explain things and events. Something people don't teach in universities. But I find it useful because it helps me understand why things happen at a certain time, certain place, certain situations, certain influences, etc. There is no such thing as random or coincidence.
Num,bers to time Even Einstein searched and many more English is that, the Universal ONE...

Everywhere around the Globe it is the one that is spoken...

“I be me, and you are...”

Level 6

Since: Dec 06

in a city...

#73312 Jan 30, 2013
So what would be worse machine turning into Human or vise versa?

“I be me, and you are...”

Level 6

Since: Dec 06

in a city...

#73313 Jan 30, 2013
Ey die Ausserirrdichen Auslaendern sind die etwas wie ne' machine zu manchen?

Oder wer ist was Organics are very in these days to Organs I wonder if some plant with music honestly do they play songs for the crop maybe they should try that with some animals too...

Zackly

Pass Christian, MS

#73314 Jan 31, 2013
Tinka wrote:
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Are you asking or something? Sarcastic are you right of the bat...
Hmmmm Yeah I am tap dancing...
I was just saying when you press the keyboard in your sleep something comes out. Be careful because you might say something wrong and not remember it.
Zackly

Pass Christian, MS

#73315 Jan 31, 2013
Tinka wrote:
Ey die Ausserirrdichen Auslaendern sind die etwas wie ne' machine zu manchen?
Oder wer ist was Organics are very in these days to Organs I wonder if some plant with music honestly do they play songs for the crop maybe they should try that with some animals too...
Have you ever heard the song "I GO WALKING IN MY SLEEP" by Billy Joell I think his name is?

“I started out with nothing”

Level 6

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#73316 Jan 31, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Why yes - a misquoter is anyone who takes vague or ambiguous Biblical scripture and disagrees with Charlie's particular interpretation.
:-p
This is true and a common trait among godbots
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73317 Jan 31, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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"It is difficult enough to imagine a time, roughly 13.7 billion years ago, when the entire universe existed as a singularity. According to the big bang theory, one of the main contenders vying to explain how the universe came to be, all the matter in the cosmos -- all of space itself -- existed in a form smaller than a subatomic particle."
That gravity! The gravity of the entire universe.
There was no mass until possibly up to 300,000 years from initial expansion when the first atoms formed. So I ask again, why are you pretending to talk about scientific evidence when your position is invisible Jewish magic anyway?

“I started out with nothing”

Level 6

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#73318 Jan 31, 2013
Cybele wrote:
Too Much Testosterone Lowers Intelligence
http://www.altpenis.com/news/20060828003237da...
This we know, however also know that such muscle bound ego-testical (correct wording) fools can be useful occasionally
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73319 Jan 31, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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I'll be laughing at you for a lot longer.
Ah yes, you will be laughing at all the infidels being tortured in hell forever.

That's nice.

:-)
Langoliers wrote:
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Then when you ask a question do not get upset if we quote our web sites.
I don't. As it only demonstrates you're not capable of dealing with science.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73320 Jan 31, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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But you miss the point. It's 13.3 billion "LIGHT YEARS" away. The expansion of the universe is said to be speeding up and yet today it's still noway near the speed of light.

D O Y O U U N D E R S T A N D ?
Yes. You don't:

blogs.discovermagazine.com/.../the-universe-i...
Langoliers wrote:
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So? That pretty far off topic.
Not really. When you start referencing scientists to support you even though they quite explicitly do not, it's a sure sign of creationist hypocrisy.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73321 Jan 31, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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So?
So it means you lied. Again.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#73322 Jan 31, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Before we become extinct, our species will first go through a transition to the next age. It's becoming apparent with all the technology we have. Here's what I think. The first book ever published or printed was the bible. And I'm under the assumption that these inner circle, who influenced the writing of the bible, knew the power of language. Ever heard of Bibliomancy? They were careful of what they had to print. So they provided moral teachings on the level that people would understand and follow but on a deeper level, there are other meanings attached to the scriptures. They knew this power would affect the lives of people. It was sort of a moral responsibility, if that was God's intention.
But now we're in the information age, we have the internet replacing newspapers, magazines and books. We don't have to let just one ancient book affect our lives. There are tons of information out there fact or fiction. We can learn about ancient wisdom, secret knowledge, gnosticism, from other sources. Whatever means of information one has access to, it will affect one's life the same manner the first book ever printed provided to the people in the old times. People should have the freedom to read and acquire knowledge whatever pleases them any way they want. Whatever rocks your boat. lol
We can go through the motions and learn nothing. What we have is universal capitalism that compels governments to accumulate wealth into the hands of the few, making conflicts inevitable to drive the military-industrial complex. The Bible just gets re-interpreted for pre-war, war and post-war conditions.

All these "ages" that people keep inventing are nothing significant. Until we exhaust the global supply of fossil fuels, this is just an extension of the industrial age. When people have to limit their populations and accept the finite renewability of resources, then you'll see the beginnings of a "new age".
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73323 Jan 31, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Everybody knows MATH is the universal language. Don't engineers know that?
And I do my own Math to explain things and events. Something people don't teach in universities. But I find it useful because it helps me understand why things happen at a certain time, certain place, certain situations, certain influences, etc. There is no such thing as random or coincidence.
Coincidence is a subjective term. But random? Yeah, random factors certainly exist. And math can address that too.

“I started out with nothing”

Level 6

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#73324 Jan 31, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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"It is difficult enough to imagine a time, roughly 13.7 billion years ago, when the entire universe existed as a singularity. According to the big bang theory, one of the main contenders vying to explain how the universe came to be, all the matter in the cosmos -- all of space itself -- existed in a form smaller than a subatomic particle."
That gravity! The gravity of the entire universe.
I have watched this conversation regarding the start of the universe for a while now, I first got interested when you made it clear that you implied that the farthest observable galaxies were 13.3 billion light years away. And you implied that the universe can not expand faster than light. Both wrong and it shows your complete misunderstanding of the universe.

Now regarding gravity, I (nor anyone else) is here to educate you, that is up to you (if you think it worthwhile) but I will tell you that it did not work that way. Matter did not exist therefore no gravity.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#73326 Jan 31, 2013
Cybele wrote:
There is no such thing as random or coincidence.
?

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#73327 Jan 31, 2013
alan wrote:
<quoted text>Gater is asking some questions that require knowledge and experience. Here, let me enlighten him. The most intelligent human compared to Advanced Alien Beings..........From our experiences we concluded that the human spices will become extinct before its full potential will be attained. AABs are lightyears ahead. Coming from a Galaxy near you.
The girasas might have something to say about that.

Level 2

Since: Mar 09

Statesville, NC

#73328 Jan 31, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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You're still missing the point. I know 8 bits = 1 byte, and whatever how many bits equal one gigabyte. I don't care. But I get the point unlike you. Can you do the actual math yourself? I doubt it.
wrong , as usual....the POINT is that you think Kurzweil math is bad...it isn't...his ASSERTION I quibble with...that is that we mrely need to map the brain, develop a machine which, which sufficient memory, can bu utilized as a brain...I don't...human runtime environments(like emotions, sickness, fatigue) can rarely be simulated, if EVER...

Now for the math(since you obviously can't do it...)

1byte=8 bits(by standard, accepted, definition)
1 Kilobyte(KB)=2^10: that's 2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2=1,024bytes
1MB(MB)=1024KB=(2^10) x (2^10)...using the RULES OF EXPONENTS we can simply ADD the exponents of like units(the 2's actually being 2^1) would yield 2^20=1,048,576bytes
1GB=1,024MB=2^10 x 2^10 x 2^10(invoke the RULES OF EXPONENTS again) we get 2^30=1,073,741,824
...and so on and so on...pretty simpple, actually...

If you're asking how JUrzweil did HIS math, I'd guess he used the number of nueral cells in the brain...wiki says this about that number, which you'll note isn't a FINITE, single integer, but a RANGE...
The human brain has a huge number of synapses. Each of the 1011 (one hundred billion) neurons has on average 7,000 synaptic connections to other neurons. It has been estimated that the brain of a three-year-old child has about 1015 synapses (1 quadrillion). This number declines with age, stabilizing by adulthood. Estimates vary for an adult, ranging from 1014 to 5 x 1014 synapses (100 to 500 trillion).[12]

So the math flows from there...but again, this is irrelevant...we already have the capacity to 'simulate' brain power, but it is my opinion that we will never be able to DUPLICATE the human brains ability to deliver subtle, nuanced attributes which some would call emotions...moreover, Kurzweil is a salesman...but, if you think the 'singularity' is something in the future, I beg to differ.

Now where do I send my consultation invoice.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#73330 Jan 31, 2013
Zackly wrote:
<quoted text>Have you ever heard the song "I GO WALKING IN MY SLEEP" by Billy Joell I think his name is?
I'm not sure if Tinka walks in her sleep in English or in German.

Level 2

Since: Mar 09

Statesville, NC

#73331 Jan 31, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Everybody knows MATH is the universal language. Don't engineers know that?
And I do my own Math to explain things and events. Something people don't teach in universities. But I find it useful because it helps me understand why things happen at a certain time, certain place, certain situations, certain influences, etc. There is no such thing as random or coincidence.
Hilarious...um, we've INVENTED math in ALL of its branches, for certain purposes...your naive- dare I say pseudo-intellectual- use of the word math betrays your ignorance...their are MANY fields of mathematics used for different purposes...likely you only know algebra, which is not to say you are COMPETENT in the field...perhaps some Euclidian geomtery, maybe some trignometrics...I highly doubt your calculus(Integral or differential) is lacking and certainly things like topography, Mandelbrot sequences/patterns and higher math concepts have evaded your genius...perhaps like Newton and Liebniz, you developed a new branch of math simultaneously with the other great math minds of humanity, but considering you failed- by your own admission- to even do basic long multiplication, the PROBABILITY is highly unlike...say 1EX10^15!(that's a factorial sign)...good luck to you...pseudo-intellectualism is a disease, I suggest you go to school to be cured, and quit toiling away in your own (non-existent)world...or publish a paper...may I put you on the list of morons who do their "own thing" because they don't trust sciencey stuff?!?!

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