Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 216597 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73156 Jan 30, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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I said I don't care about the politics...politics and facts might be the same to you...but there's a world of difference.
Science taught with political bias, to support the ideology of science is not true science.
Hence why evolution is taught and not creationist apologetics. Science doesn't CARE who you vote for. It works the same for everyone.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73157 Jan 30, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Of course its tied in christian creationism...It has to be, because the obvious can't be honestly refuted.
True, one can't falsify non-falsifiable non-scientific magic wizards.(shrug)

Can't falsify the FSM either.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73158 Jan 30, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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Hey go easy on Aristotle! He was one of the great observers, and contrasts admirably with Plato (his teacher), in all the ways above that you mention. Plato thought it could all be figured out in the abstract, but Aristotle made great "pre-scientific" strides, for example observing that whales were more like mammals than fish.
Indeed, his methods were part of the necessary scientific learning curve.

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treat you they get offended.

#73159 Jan 30, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> You have no evidence either.
There is evidence that can take us back to 10^-34th of a second after the ‘big bang’, the evidence that you exist for one thing. Actually it’s about 10^-20th of a second the difference between is the time it took the fundamental laws that govern this universe to resolve. The fact that you deliberately ignore that evidence is your problem.

Prior to that there is mathematical conjecture based on the fact that the maths works, the atomic domain exists (you exist so you can’t deny that) and the quantum domain can be in some small part observed.

So can you offer any evidence that goddidit?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73161 Jan 30, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
Misquoter???
Why yes - a misquoter is anyone who takes vague or ambiguous Biblical scripture and disagrees with Charlie's particular interpretation.

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#73162 Jan 30, 2013
The truth is, the human body and brain/mind is infinitely more complicated than a Robot body and even a positronic brain, and we can all agree a Robot is created by a maker. How can we then say humans came about by accident or random chance against all odds of entropy and disorder? How is it humans came about and happened to appear on the surface of a planet that is the perfect distance from its star, has a breathable atmosphere, interdependent life forms, plenty of water and have the capacity for art, music, Love, rationalizing, philosophizing, imagination, and building freaking awesome Robots. Is it any wonder humans like to build and make things, since some essence of the Creator resides in them. The corruption of that self same attribute manifests in their ability to choose to kill and destroy. Gotta go, agents are closing in to try to disassemble me.

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#73163 Jan 30, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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lol...Did I say they wasn't? All I did was quote a science article.
If you payed any attention at all,the idea was about incorporating organic materials into computer design.
Transistors made from organic materials found in the human body
http://www.ecofriend.com/transistors-made-org...
LMAO!

Pretty soon we'll be implanting chips on humans! lol

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#73165 Jan 30, 2013
Naughtyrobot wrote:
The truth is, the human body and brain/mind is infinitely more complicated than a Robot body and even a positronic brain, and we can all agree a Robot is created by a maker. How can we then say humans came about by accident or random chance against all odds of entropy and disorder? How is it humans came about and happened to appear on the surface of a planet that is the perfect distance from its star, has a breathable atmosphere, interdependent life forms, plenty of water and have the capacity for art, music, Love, rationalizing, philosophizing, imagination, and building freaking awesome Robots. Is it any wonder humans like to build and make things, since some essence of the Creator resides in them. The corruption of that self same attribute manifests in their ability to choose to kill and destroy. Gotta go, agents are closing in to try to disassemble me.
Someone here will point out the watchmaker fallacy on your argument, watch.

While their is genius in LOGIC and how we distinguish arguments as FALLACIES, there is even one greater genius...GOD. Because if there is really a God, he is truly undetected, unseen, untouched, unimagined (well, it depends on how wild imaginations of some people are. lol), or unexplained. This could make a really awesome detective movie or novel. No one will ever catch that criminal. lol

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#73166 Jan 30, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Actually we have evidence from comparative anatomy and protein comparisons. But if you want DNA then we have that too, in the form of dormant DNA that sometimes reactivates and causes them to grow their dino teeth. This has an unfortunate effect of fusing their beak together and killing the chicken.
Happy now?
Not happy. You just ruined my appetite. I was craving for some KFC ;-)
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73167 Jan 30, 2013
Naughtyrobot wrote:
The truth is, the human body and brain/mind is infinitely more complicated than a Robot body and even a positronic brain, and we can all agree a Robot is created by a maker. How can we then say humans came about by accident or random chance against all odds of entropy and disorder?
Beats me. But since there are natural NON-random forces also at work which you've failed to consider we don't have to worry about the caricature of pure "random chance".

With robots however we can agree they have makers because both the makers and the mechanisms they use are observed. Robots are also not self-replicating naturally occurring organisms, so the "design" analogy only goes so far.
Naughtyrobot wrote:
How is it humans came about and happened to appear on the surface of a planet that is the perfect distance from its star, has a breathable atmosphere, interdependent life forms, plenty of water and have the capacity for art, music, Love, rationalizing, philosophizing, imagination, and building freaking awesome Robots.
Because it's too hot on Mercury.

No idea what you mean by "perfect" distance though, as the distance of Earth from the sun can vary around 3 million miles. Mars and Venus are also within the habitable zone. Plus the possibility of life on Europa may also redefine whatever ideas you may have about "perfect" sun distance.
Naughtyrobot wrote:
Is it any wonder humans like to build and make things, since some essence of the Creator resides in them.
What creator? Who or what is it and how can we tell? What mechanisms did it use to do whatever it is you think it did and how can we tell. Where did it do it and how can we tell? When did it do it and how can we tell?

I've been asking the fundies on here for years. And so far all they can tell me is that something did something, somehow, somewhere, at sometime. Either that or Goddidit with magic cuz the Bible iz true cuz the Bible sez so. And to just ignore the bits about talking lizards, donkeys and the Earth being flat.
Naughtyrobot wrote:
The corruption of that self same attribute manifests in their ability to choose to kill and destroy. Gotta go, agents are closing in to try to disassemble me.
That's organisms competing for resources for ya. For some reason this all-knowing all-powerful designer didn't forsee this.(shrug)

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#73168 Jan 30, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Interesting. Sounds exactly like abiogenesis.
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What?
That's right. You read it. There's math in everything! Anything can be explained with mathematical formulas. In my world, at least. You're in my world now, so I can calculate you if you want. lol
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73169 Jan 30, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Someone here will point out the watchmaker fallacy on your argument, watch.
While their is genius in LOGIC and how we distinguish arguments as FALLACIES, there is even one greater genius...GOD. Because if there is really a God, he is truly undetected, unseen, untouched, unimagined (well, it depends on how wild imaginations of some people are. lol), or unexplained. This could make a really awesome detective movie or novel. No one will ever catch that criminal. lol
Bingo. And that's precisely the problem. People like xo have accused God of being guilty of various acts, but refuse to present the court with evidence. Then they complain when the case is dismissed.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#73170 Jan 30, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Not happy. You just ruined my appetite. I was craving for some KFC ;-)
Careful. Some of them little chickies might bite back!

:-p

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#73171 Jan 30, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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There was none. That the Schweizer piece? Yup, no DNA. What they found was dried collagen, not DNA. Collagen is a very stable protein, and they hypothesize it survived due to being dried out and hermetically sealed, protected from the elements. And as pointed out the proteins were very similar to what we find in modern birds, thus helping confirm the dino-bird hypothesis.
Unfortunately a few popular news sites, as well as many lying creationists keep repeating the claim that they found DNA. This is not actually the case.
Not that it would have any bearing on the validity of common ancestry, the claims made by creo's are about the age of the Earth issue.
I thought that news article has been refuted? Kong provided the link. How would collagen be well preserved for more than 6.8 million years? You now have a case to solve. lol

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#73172 Jan 30, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Bingo. And that's precisely the problem. People like xo have accused God of being guilty of various acts, but refuse to present the court with evidence. Then they complain when the case is dismissed.
And do you think you could make a good judge? No DNA evidence, never guilty. lol

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#73173 Jan 30, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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That's right. You read it. There's math in everything! Anything can be explained with mathematical formulas. In my world, at least. You're in my world now, so I can calculate you if you want. lol
"As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality." - Albert Einstein

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#73174 Jan 30, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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"As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality." - Albert Einstein
Pure mathematics is, in its way, the poetry of logical ideas.~Albert Einstein

Langoliers

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#73175 Jan 30, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>Pardon me. I meant to specify the Bible verse ***POST FLOOD*** where said actions ("mountains up, ocean floors down") is specified.

You **DO** realize that if all those forces happened within a month or so after a cataclysmic flood as described in Genesis, that the entire surface of the earth would likely still be in a molten state, and the oceans of the earth would have long since evaporated, and there would be no life on earth.....right?
"You **DO** realize that if all those forces happened within a month or so after a cataclysmic flood as described in Genesis, that the entire surface of the earth would likely still be in a molten "

I find it funny that atheist put rules like this on God.

Langoliers

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#73176 Jan 30, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>After? I thought it was during the singularity. Either way, it MAY be testable once cosmologists have a working theory of quantum gravity.

Unlike the possibility of invisible magic Jews. Funnily enough you don't give a crud about science as long as that gets through.

Langoliers wrote, "Most of the water from the flood came from the fountains of the deep. And only when God ended the flood did he raise up the mountains and lower the ocean floors. Try and keep up."

We can test for that. For example, if we have any life on Earth at all post flood era, then the flood has been falsified.

Of course we can't falsify the bit where the idea is rescued by invisible Jewish magic.

Langoliers wrote, ""The scribes just fell asleep during that part and it didn't get included along with dinosaurs, "
Now try and understand that the word dinosaurs is a word that was invented recently. The Bible does describe them however under other names "Behemoth" and "Dragons". Rather funny the Bible describing your dinosaurs thousands of years before the first bones were found. "

Funny how the "descriptions" were so vague they can mean whatever you like post-hoc.(shrug)
Ask KK about the delay in the laws of physics I believe it was her that told me about it.

Because as you know if there was no time out for the laws of physics there would be noway the singularity could have never over came all the gravity of the whole universe.

Langoliers

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#73177 Jan 30, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>Okay, you're right, I admit it - I AM A MEMBER OF THE CULT OF GRAVITY!!!
I knew it!

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