Evolution vs. Creation

There are 20 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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anonymous

Franklin, PA

#71282 Jan 18, 2013
MAAT wrote:
anoymous wrote:
For my part, I somewhat take exception to that simple attitude towards justice. A person is who they are on the inside too. I know that I can say that married men get preferential treatment in the workplace and suddenly every issue that I bring up is written off as whining. Well, "rocking the boat" is taboo in this economy but it is the very nature of change. For better or for worse, change WILL happen so it's best to listen and consider change that is for the collective betterment.
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Ah you noticed that too.
Hundreds of times where you have to stand in because something is up at the homefront.
Mind without being payed according to the scale they get!
Or because they have to pick up the kids.
And you have to sympathetically listen to there even whining about those kids...and especially not forget how they are faring.
Or they have marital trouble and given that they have kids get the first choice in relocating and job-security.
The first choice in better housing a.s.o.
And they expect the tax-payer to pay for there lack of even raising kids, so when it goes wrong.
But also because they seem to entitled to extra money, since kids automatically become everybodies problem.
And they simply wander back in after moths of absence as if it's there god-give right.
And the bastards always manage to take credit for work they have not actually done.
I hate people with kids. LOL
It becomes worse if they do not even consider using birthcontrol.
And they are always protective of the little terrorists even if they are the devil incarnate.
Well, I could have said it that way but it wouldn't generate sympathy! We all were kids once. I can respect the job of raising them. Throw in the tax and insurance breaks and I'm ready to toss out the fifth commandment.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#71283 Jan 18, 2013
MAAT wrote:
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
Epileptics, Tourette's patients and others aren't considered mentally handicapped in that way either. I never claimed that gays were mentally handicapped in a cognitive way. They have a medical symptom which may be the result of biology or environment. Some may have genetic reasons for the symptom, but not all. A lot of effort was made to find the "gay" gene. Nothing was found.
Freud's abstractions are awful. Even modern psychology is pathetic. Here's a good government source quote.
"The accuracy of psychiatric diagnosis was the highest for cognitive disorders 60%, followed by depression 50% and anxiety disorders 46%, whereas the accuracy of diagnosing psychosis was 0%."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3 ...
Well, who's to say who is political and who isn't? The question is, if homosexuality is a medical problem, then is it sensible to address it constitutionally? Race? Sex? Part of the human condition and consistent with evolution. Religion? Sexual preference? Not so absolute.
We protect the medically afflicted. We don't nurture their conditions.
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Well that is the same as implying that homosexuality is a medical condition and there fore they must be cured.
Well it is not.
But if i put the accent on nurtured, then i face the wall of your quotes of proper -biassed?-diagnoses. Were apparently a lot of people ended up in the system without having the infliction or a different one and thus not cured, so frankly nurtured!
Further complicated by taking the discussion to CDO.'They are properly diagnosed but labeled and want to be cured but not cured.'
Well and then you loose me also, literaly, since form that point on i can not untie the gordian knot.
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Followed by if not medicalised, why is a civil union not good enough?
Well simply because it does only stand as long as you stay under the same condition in the same state. Especially when children are involved.
Mariage is solid, federally covered.
(I looked into it)
OK, I think your wording struggled a bit here.

Let's say that I think there's a distinct difference between open bisexuality and clear homosexuality. I really don't buy into a simple hormonal trait that makes the difference between the gay and the straight.

One is an open minded attitude to abandoning boundaries, while the other is a maladjusted attempt to find a place to fit in, with a large degree of denial as to what that choice has conveyed to those who stick to traditional competition according to the rules of the normal heterosexual roles in a given culture.

Most liberals think that all gays are "enlightened". I disagree. Some are very maladjusted, or genuinely ill. I've seen the dirty old men who approach boys. I've seen the results of sailors who totally lose control of the super-ego and go down on another sailor while they are sleeping.

Forget the Hollywood fairy tale. Reality is a far sadder story.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#71284 Jan 18, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
I know everyone can hide their true identity here, but no wonder self respecting Creationist never come here to debate, it could be because they wouldn't want their children to read some of the trash this thread has turned to. PLease be considerate and get back on topic.
Oh? Christians can't deal with reality?
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#71285 Jan 18, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
What part of what you quoted from me implies that I argued gays don't recruit?
Are you referring to me explaining to you that if gay marriage were state sanctioned, you'd stay a heterosexual? I'm pretty sure, recruiting or not, you'd still be straight. Unless...unless...there's some hidden desire you have?
<quoted text>
Wow...ok...you know, I think I'll just avoid what you wrote above and let it stand on its own.
"You know what? Gays don't want you to be gay. They don't look at you and think "hmmm, I can convert that lovely piece of meat.""

Seems pretty much what you said from where I stand!

Level 5

Since: Apr 12

Taizhou, China

#71286 Jan 18, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
I know everyone can hide their true identity here, but no wonder self respecting Creationist never come here to debate, it could be because they wouldn't want their children to read some of the trash this thread has turned to. PLease be considerate and get back on topic.
For once I agree with Free Servant.
Ron Paul 2016

Reno, NV

#71287 Jan 18, 2013
The hated person in the world is Abby Sunderland because she is dumb as her parents and her Born Again Christian followers as well!
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#71289 Jan 18, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
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For once I agree with Free Servant.
Why? Evolution is a study of natural selection. This is a perfect object lesson.

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#71290 Jan 18, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
I completely disagree with the claim that gays don't recruit. Gays do try to "convert" or, at least like most tender male egos, get all blustery when confronted with rejection.
I've already said MY politics is about prejudice against single people who are in the minority, but close to becoming the majority. Marriage is about financial incentives to raise kids from the State's perspective. The church influences the State in an unconstitutional way and a lot proceeds from there.
Prejudice in the workplace becomes prejudice in the ability to afford healthcare which becomes prejudice in insurance rates. I can understand the rationalization for demanding marriage. I just resent the idea of having the minority take on tax burdens for the majority, and the hypocrisy of demanding inclusion in church based prejudice.
Other than those reasons, I have had little to say on the subject other than that I find homosexuality trivial compared to other forms of discrimination. Most people hear the word discrimination and they immediately think "whiny, litigious, American Black. There is some truth to that stereotype but there is also truth that being Black is not something you can hide.
For my part, I somewhat take exception to that simple attitude towards justice. A person is who they are on the inside too. I know that I can say that married men get preferential treatment in the workplace and suddenly every issue that I bring up is written off as whining. Well, "rocking the boat" is taboo in this economy but it is the very nature of change. For better or for worse, change WILL happen so it's best to listen and consider change that is for the collective betterment.
People don't like to be around those who are strange to them. It's human nature and the "melting pot" concept is unsound. Diversity is the result of evolution, not self-expression. THAT is how this whole debate becomes linked together into a circle of necessary scientific discipline, not just leveraging one's politics by claiming evolution as being on the side of righteousness. So really, consider the value of marriage in it's entirety and ask yourself if it is just a relic of old prejudices.
You are very judgemental.

“Why does my ignorance”

Level 5

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#71291 Jan 19, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
It's okay, I failed to describe something well, that still makes it my mistake. You and HFY's clarifications helped to correct my error.
Sorry...I'm such a stickler!

“Why does my ignorance”

Level 5

Since: Mar 11

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#71292 Jan 19, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
<quoted text>
Many instances of homosexuality in animals? Not true. Bisexuality maybe. They will hump pretty much anything.
Homosexuality is extremely abnormal. For every one homosexual that exists there are likely millions of bisexuals.
When we're discussing animals, it's better not to use "homosexuality" or "bisexuality" and just talk about sexual behavior. I prefer the terms "same sex sexual behavior" or "opposite sex sexual behavior" though primatologists use the technical jargon of isosexual and contrasexual.

Homosexuality, heteroseuxality and bisexuality are sexual identities of Western culture. Not really applicable to animals - and not always to non-Westerners who do not identify with the Western cultural constructions of identity and sexuality.

“Why does my ignorance”

Level 5

Since: Mar 11

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#71293 Jan 19, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
<quoted text>
How do gays recruit? By making it socially acceptable for the far larger bisexual community to swing both ways. I am sure that 9/10ths of the men who saw Brokeback Mountain immediately decided to give it a try. Suddenly it was cool. Then they brought HIV back home to their wives.
Laws are there to discourage them... not gays.
Uh...is the above a joke?

“Why does my ignorance”

Level 5

Since: Mar 11

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#71294 Jan 19, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
<quoted text>
Genetic diversity is hardly the goal. Evolution generally occurs best in small populations. The less the genetic diversity the more likely a random mutation is to catch on. Hense when brown bears wandered out onto the ice sheets they became polar bears but other brown bears stayed the same. Those hominids who wandered out of Africa during the Ice Age became Neanderthals for much the same reason. Or like birds blown onto remote islands by storm.
Massive genetic diversity is produced when a population is growing at a rapid rate.

You are more specifically describing the strengthened effects of genetic drift and natural selection on small populations - but genetic diversity itself grows fastest in populations that are under high growth. Genetic diversity is lost most quickly in small populations, though you can have high rates of evolution in these populations because genetic drift becomes stronger and, under severe environmental conditions, natural selection is likewise severe.

“Why does my ignorance”

Level 5

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#71295 Jan 19, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
I know everyone can hide their true identity here, but no wonder self respecting Creationist never come here to debate, it could be because they wouldn't want their children to read some of the trash this thread has turned to. PLease be considerate and get back on topic.
You believe that when creationists come here, they want their children to read these comments?

The thing is, there's no debate. Creationism is not science. It has no testable, disprovable hypotheses and so cannot contribute to science. Creationism does not produce new knowledge or technology. It is quite incapable of doing so.

In science, there is no competing theory with evolution. Evolution is the framework theory of all biological sciences. It unifies all biological phenomena under one explanatory umbrella.

Period. That's it.

“Why does my ignorance”

Level 5

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#71296 Jan 19, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
"You know what? Gays don't want you to be gay. They don't look at you and think "hmmm, I can convert that lovely piece of meat.""
Seems pretty much what you said from where I stand!
Thanks, cleared that up for me.

I stand by that. The gays I know don't want you to be gay, mostly because you're not.

The story you gave about the sailor...that's rape, plain and simple. I'd hardly call that rapist a normal, well adjusted gay man. I'd in fact call him a rapist.

Level 5

Since: Apr 12

Taizhou, China

#71297 Jan 19, 2013
Anita Bryant has a phenomenally silly idea about how gays recruit gays.
She said that gays can't reproduce, therefore they have to recruit from the next generation by molesting boys.

If you have two or more hate targets, it's more efficient to consolidate those hate targets and pretend that they are the same.
In Bryant's case, she apparently hated both gays and pedos, so she pretended that they were the same group.

All through history and all over the world, groups tended to consolidate "everybody but us."
Everyone but Romans were barbarians,
everyone but Israelites were Gentiles,
everyone but Latin Americans are gringos,
everyone but Africans are bwanas,
everyone but gypsies are gorgios,
everyone but beatniks are squares,
everyone but hippies are straights,
everyone but mountaineers are flatlanders,
and everyone but Christians are heathens.

Even right here on this thread, you see the same syndrome.
Creationists hate both atheists and Evolutionists, so they pretend that those are the exact same people.

In prehistoric times, it was not in the evolutionary interests to regard outsiders as individuals.
However, we are now living in an age in which people who are different from each other have to live together whether they want to or not.
Yet our paleomammalian carry this same instinct, just as it always had.
We've talked about vestigial organs, here is a vestigial instinct.

Funny how so many people preach Creationism and demonstrate Evolution.

Level 5

Since: Apr 12

Taizhou, China

#71298 Jan 19, 2013
I don't have the documentation with me, but I read somewhere that animal subjects do all sorts of unpleasant things in overpopulation experiments.
They fight, they murder, they molest juveniles, and guess what--they practice homosexuality!

I tried Googling "animal homosexuality overpopulation."
I got lots of Websites listed, but I couldn't get into any of them.
(China's Internet service is as crummy as all get out.)

If someone else could perform such a search and tell me what you get, I would appreciate it--whether I'm wrong or right.
FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#71299 Jan 19, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
You believe that when creationists come here, they want their children to read these comments?
The thing is, there's no debate. Creationism is not science. It has no testable, disprovable hypotheses and so cannot contribute to science. Creationism does not produce new knowledge or technology. It is quite incapable of doing so.
In science, there is no competing theory with evolution. Evolution is the framework theory of all biological sciences. It unifies all biological phenomena under one explanatory umbrella.
Period. That's it.
SCP theory is a good replacement.
FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#71300 Jan 19, 2013
Darwin was wrong when he concluded that the forces of change acting on any population of organisms were only competition, desease, climate, etc, and that they resulted in the survival of those more fitted to the environment. A species is engaged and made use of in a paricular activity that is a suitable place or position for the kind to function to do work within a given ecological system. Each kind or species has instructional constituents within their makeup to allow for change if needs be to function. The instructions are provided as templates or patterns which produce copies through cycling. SCPID/SEED/WORK theory is a group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for diversity of life known today as well as functioning of all natural systems eveywhere throughout our known uinverse.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#71301 Jan 19, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
You are very judgemental.
We all are. Mostly when it's about money. To some degree, other factors. For the most part, I consider myself judgmental above the table. I doubt you'll see a better ideal.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#71302 Jan 19, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
I don't have the documentation with me, but I read somewhere that animal subjects do all sorts of unpleasant things in overpopulation experiments.
They fight, they murder, they molest juveniles, and guess what--they practice homosexuality!
I tried Googling "animal homosexuality overpopulation."
I got lots of Websites listed, but I couldn't get into any of them.
(China's Internet service is as crummy as all get out.)
If someone else could perform such a search and tell me what you get, I would appreciate it--whether I'm wrong or right.
Well, I haven't googled it, but I've posted a few items in agreement, and that is why I consider a good portion of the politics of this debate to be about urban vs. rural culture.

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