Evolution vs. Creation

There are 20 comments on the Jan 6, 2011, Best of New Orleans story titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“Why does my ignorance”

Level 5

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#70750 Jan 13, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> For men(man) to men(man) marrying each other, there can never be procreation.
Why not?

Do you think that procreation only happens within the boundaries of marriage?]

May I ask you a side question?

Do you know what a gene is?

“Why does my ignorance”

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#70751 Jan 13, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
But I did mention that it depends on how you define "life"
a battery has life, a car engine has life, an equipment has life, etc.
Everything in the universe has life. A star dies and a star is born. But we don't define this life in biological terms.
A battery does not have life. A car engine does not have life.

Unless you want to redefine life in a way that makes our current definitions utterly useless.

In that case, all you are doing is replacing the word "life" with the word "stuff."

Sure...batteries have stuff. Engines have stuff, just like turtles have stuff. So do eggs and ipods and tables. All these things...lots of stuff.

See? Suddenly you've made the word life as useless as the word stuff. Now we can't do anything with it.

When you play these silly word games, you remove the ability of science to understand the universe around us. Biology ceases to have meaning. That's why we call these kind of logical games "sophistry" or "pedantry." They result in an inability to understand the phenomena around us - they reduce our ability to produce new knowledge and are therefore damaging.

Build knowledge, don't attack it.
FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#70752 Jan 13, 2013
There is only one way to have sex and not sin. The marriage bed is the only place that is not unclean or dirty and defiled in the sight of God.
ROCK

New Orleans, LA

#70753 Jan 13, 2013
Bible Belt wrote:
<quoted text>The stone in my profile picture is a real Kentucky agate. I post using the name FREE SERVANT at times.
The red object behind the bearded man must be a Roman flag.
sickofit

Blooming Prairie, MN

#70754 Jan 13, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
There is only one way to have sex and not sin. The marriage bed is the only place that is not unclean or dirty and defiled in the sight of God.
Says a nazi fascist religous cult member....WE SANE PEOPLE DONT FOLLOW YOUR CULTS BUYBULL CRAP....So---yea we dont care.
FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#70755 Jan 13, 2013
sickofit wrote:
<quoted text>
Says a nazi fascist religous cult member....WE SANE PEOPLE DONT FOLLOW YOUR CULTS BUYBULL CRAP....So---yea we dont care.
The Darwin cult would like to call every person who believes in the God of the Bible crazy. The truth will prevail.
sickofit

Blooming Prairie, MN

#70756 Jan 13, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>The Darwin cult would like to call every person who believes in the God of the Bible crazy. The truth will prevail.
The buybull is man made lies that have no proof....You do know that right??????? The buybull is a hate filled violent racist bigoted pile of trash...KEEP IT.....
FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#70757 Jan 13, 2013
To be current is to realize that Darwin was mistaken in his claim of branching from simple to more complex in all species of living organisms. Creation happened.
sickofit

Blooming Prairie, MN

#70759 Jan 13, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
To be current is to realize that Darwin was mistaken in his claim of branching from simple to more complex in all species of living organisms. Creation happened.
Creation is based on the buybull cult religion....SO IT IS LIES AND HAS NO PROOF.....GOOD BYE MORON YOU HAVE LOST YOU CAN GO TO YOUR KKK OR NAZI FASCIST PARTY MEETING NOW...let us adults talk now hitler boy.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#70760 Jan 13, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> For men(man) to men(man) marrying each other, there can never be procreation.
I am glad those sexual education classes are finally paying off. But that is not what you asked.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#70761 Jan 13, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
To be current is to realize that Darwin was mistaken in his claim of branching from simple to more complex in all species of living organisms. Creation happened.
You can tell yourself that as much as you like.

You will still be wrong every time that you say it.

“Why does my ignorance”

Level 5

Since: Mar 11

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#70762 Jan 13, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
To be current is to realize that Darwin was mistaken in his claim of branching from simple to more complex in all species of living organisms. Creation happened.
bwahahahahahahhaha!!!

oh, god, that was funny. take it on the road, man!

“Why does my ignorance”

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Since: Mar 11

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#70763 Jan 13, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
There is only one way to have sex and not sin. The marriage bed is the only place that is not unclean or dirty and defiled in the sight of God.
Nah. God's first command was "go forth and multiply." Not "go get married and have a bit of missionary."

And, anyways, your deity doesn't exist except in your head. You're a slave to an imagined reality. Likewise, sin is all in your head.

Have lots of sex, masturbate and enjoy life.

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#70764 Jan 13, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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I am glad those sexual education classes are finally paying off. But that is not what you asked.
We seriously have to take him away from that horrible priest fellow...

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#70765 Jan 13, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
A battery does not have life. A car engine does not have life.
Unless you want to redefine life in a way that makes our current definitions utterly useless.
In that case, all you are doing is replacing the word "life" with the word "stuff."
Sure...batteries have stuff. Engines have stuff, just like turtles have stuff. So do eggs and ipods and tables. All these things...lots of stuff.
See? Suddenly you've made the word life as useless as the word stuff. Now we can't do anything with it.
When you play these silly word games, you remove the ability of science to understand the universe around us. Biology ceases to have meaning. That's why we call these kind of logical games "sophistry" or "pedantry." They result in an inability to understand the phenomena around us - they reduce our ability to produce new knowledge and are therefore damaging.
Build knowledge, don't attack it.
No I'm not attacking knowledge. I was actually trying to get at something here. Let me give you an example.

Atoms contain sub-particles that has kinetic energy. This energy is what holds the sub-atomic particles together. An atom of a tree builds up when its atoms binds with other atoms and form molecules that synthesizes. The tree life begins as it starts to grow. We cut the trunks to make wood. Did we kill the tree and ended its life? Yes and no. A wood doesn't have life but it once did before we utilized it for something else. But the wood still has the same properties and physical make up - the same molecules and atoms. It's just in another form. Everything in the universe is recycled.

If we define life beyond what we know in biology, we will understand how life came from non-life. The fact that energy has always existed, that is seeded in particles (the nucleus of an atom has nuclear energy), is proof that life started from the simplest form of matter.

“Why does my ignorance”

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#70766 Jan 13, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
No I'm not attacking knowledge. I was actually trying to get at something here. Let me give you an example.
Atoms contain sub-particles that has kinetic energy. This energy is what holds the sub-atomic particles together. An atom of a tree builds up when its atoms binds with other atoms and form molecules that synthesizes. The tree life begins as it starts to grow. We cut the trunks to make wood. Did we kill the tree and ended its life? Yes and no. A wood doesn't have life but it once did before we utilized it for something else. But the wood still has the same properties and physical make up - the same molecules and atoms. It's just in another form. Everything in the universe is recycled.
If we define life beyond what we know in biology, we will understand how life came from non-life. The fact that energy has always existed, that is seeded in particles (the nucleus of an atom has nuclear energy), is proof that life started from the simplest form of matter.
1. Please look up the definition of kinetic energy. You aren't using it correctly.

2. You are redefining life without acknowledging that you are doing so. If you want to be a coherent philosopher, be explicit in how you are defining your concepts.

3. I kind of see where you're going with the energy idea and I agree with you. I suggest you incorporate the second law of thermodynamics in and be more specific with "energy" and what "energy" does to molecules - why do molecules arrange themselves to be more complex? What are the consequences of molecules doing so?

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#70767 Jan 13, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
We seriously have to take him away from that horrible priest fellow...
What!? And make the priest search for someone else? Have you no heart?
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#70768 Jan 13, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>The gay agenda? Is that like the negro agenda of the 60's? Those damn uppity negroes, with all their talk about
"equality" and "rights." Just like the gays.
The "Negros" had an agenda as a political group. Why wouldn't they? But this isn't about equality or rights, it's about special privilege. Already been there, but if you want to go through the list of rhetorical sound bites again, have at it.

* Marriage - not a right, not even mentioned in the Constitution. Best described as a privileged group given funding and special protection at the state level, mostly as an effort to protect the raising of children. Could be interpreted as a means of the State and Capitalists to financially encumber citizens beyond their means to make free political choices.

* Homosexuality - at best, described as a medical condition, but if it IS considered a lifestyle choice, that makes it political and not a protected condition. There would be great debate as to whether or not homosexuals are capable of assuming proper parental roles, but in the current state of debate, liberals would generate bogus statistics anyway.

* Political wedge issue - absolutely, just as abortion is with conservatives, homosexuality is with liberals. In both cases, these are litmus test issues where those disloyal to a party are forced into a financially punitive lifestyle, either by raising children they can't afford, or by heaping further financial burdens on the unmarried through unfairly taxing the minority to the benefit of the majority.

See, it really isn't about your stereotype idea that I'm a conservative zealot. But you're going to go through your spiel anyway. So.... DO it! You WILL go through EVERY single piece of your rhetoric ANYWAY! You'll probably even try to ask offensively personal questions in an attempt to dominate the discussion.

But you WILL DO IT! Obey your master! DO IT!

“what we think we become”

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Since: Aug 11

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#70769 Jan 13, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
1. Please look up the definition of kinetic energy. You aren't using it correctly.
2. You are redefining life without acknowledging that you are doing so. If you want to be a coherent philosopher, be explicit in how you are defining your concepts.
3. I kind of see where you're going with the energy idea and I agree with you. I suggest you incorporate the second law of thermodynamics in and be more specific with "energy" and what "energy" does to molecules - why do molecules arrange themselves to be more complex? What are the consequences of molecules doing so?
1. Sorry, I meant to say that atoms have both kinetic and potential energy. I was thinking of rocks which has kinetic energy.

2. I agree. I would have to expand this concept a bit more. But I'm just giving you the gist of it.

3. I will get to that when I can.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#70770 Jan 13, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Homie, I think that you are projecting a wee bit.
Now, you've struck your pose. It's nice to see that you're slumming with the ghetto folk and showing some soul! I hope that doesn't translate into something you've casually written off concerning minorities.

Now! Tell me how I'm projecting. What am I projecting other than a quite candid disrespect for the what I quite explicitly regard a prejudicial treatment against unmarried people? Do you think I'm black and that my politics are all part of your tidy world view?

Well, maybe there's a bit of that in the family tree, but as every real black would remind me, I don't look it so I'm not black like them. Besides, the psychological impact of black personality traits on a mixed race person are not as obvious as with others in our Western culture. You'd probably have a harder time detecting a part-Asian in Eastern Europe too, but that's not the Liberal political line, so run with it! You WILL run with it. Obey your master!

I CAN think of one or two political types who like to play into that "soul" thing, but usually that's just an offensive stereotype that whites have of blacks as reckless and promiscuous.

Hmmmm. We haven't explored that nasty side of White liberalism on Topix yet. Wanna act that one out for everyone? Be a sport! You can call me "boy" if I can call you "boi" and we can all call Bill Clinton "bubba". Whoo hoo!

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