Evolution vs. Creation

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#70662 Jan 12, 2013
Cybele wrote:
Are you acting like a mod now? How is a discussion on a personal level anti-social? How is that damaging to others?
It damages those who came to talk about Evolution vs. Creation. but who have to plow through discussion on other topics.

It damages those who skip the discussion on other topics, and who might skip a message about Evolution vs. Creation by mistake.

It is frustrating to those who try to remind other people that this forum is about Evolution vs. Creation, not about abiogenesis.

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#70663 Jan 12, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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So now an evolutionist has an idea of Perfection as opposed to Random. lol!
Way to go to have a TOE in your mouth!
What?

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#70664 Jan 12, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Then what is it? Memory cell is just in computers?
What? I'm saying that there is no such thing as "cellular memory" or "body memory." It doesn't exist. The only part of our body that can store memories is the brain. And what do computers have to do with anything?

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#70665 Jan 12, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>What? That is quite a dubious assertion - that the periodic table might be hiding the secret of "which atom came first." Or are you saying that the bible holds this secret? Either way, that's a strange claim.
And we already have discovered evidence of the "god particle" (I believe this moniker is not favored in the scientific community), the LHC captured evidence of it last year. It was quite a big story, actually.
There are patterns everywhere, from our DNA to the galaxies in the universe. I'm sure one will discover a pattern on the periodic table if examined closely such as in atomic numbers and electron configurations that which create matter and perhaps explain how they came into existence.

And no, the bible only says we were made from dust. Nothing more. That's where science comes in and call it 'particles.'

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#70666 Jan 12, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
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Then why do the cells develop an immunity to some things after being exposed to it?
That's our immune system at work, and it happens because when our body is exposed to germs, it reacts by producing antibodies, which then give our body a "head start" the next time the same thing attacks our body.

And that's not "cellular memory." Cellular memory is the pseudo scientific idea that each cell in our body somehow retains a "memory" of all the experiences that our body has gone through, and it simply isn't true. Our cells do not remember in the same way that our brain remembers.

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#70667 Jan 12, 2013
Time and Space wrote:
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Not exactly...there has to be a 'master chemist' there to arrange chemicals in the proper order...
Just as man takes dust, and arranges it into whatever he wants, through chemistry...but there has to be someone or something to orchestrate it...
Ahahahhahahaha. There just *has to* be a master chemist, eh? No justification, no evidence, just - "I don't understand science, so godditit!" Funny.

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#70668 Jan 12, 2013
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If God created space/time, then he would be outside of space/time and therefore be infinite in nature.
( This idea is referenced by many through out history.)
Even the latest developments in Quantum Physics support this concept with the Observer Effect.
The observer effect absolutely does not suggest that god exists. What are you talking about?

And do you realize how much of a cop out it is to say that god doesn't need to conform to the natural laws?

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#70669 Jan 12, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>What? I'm saying that there is no such thing as "cellular memory" or "body memory." It doesn't exist. The only part of our body that can store memories is the brain. And what do computers have to do with anything?
whatever they call it but memory is not just stored in the brain.

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/conten...

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#70670 Jan 12, 2013
Time and Space wrote:
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Nor is there any evidence of life coming out of inordinate matter...
Inordinate lifeless elements cannot ever, will not ever, produce life...
get over it...
It has no reason to...dust will remain dust for trillions of years, until a master, intellegent chemist entity, comes along and arranges the chemicals in a way that can produce life...
Dude, come on. We have no evidence of a creator. We know that life exists. Therefore, it is reasonable to assume abiogenisis until such evidence is forthcoming.

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#70671 Jan 12, 2013
Time and Space wrote:
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Quit reisiting me and grow...
Your fear of the 'Christian god' doesn't mean there isn't an intellegent creator beyond human comprehension...
Ahahahah. "Do not resist, just accept my blind assertions and believe in the god I believe in." You are hilarious.

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#70672 Jan 12, 2013
Time and Space wrote:
Most resist the idea of a creator...simply because religion has attached judgment and condemnation, as traits of this creator or creators or spirits or superior beings...
You're right man. I'm just so, so scared to believe that there is a merciful, benevolent being in the sky who loves me, wants the best for me, and has a meaningful plan for my life. I just can't bear the thought!

Or maybe, we "resist" because you and people like you have not even come close to making your case yet.

The general argument I hear from religious people is "I believe in god, and I don't understand how the universe could possibly exist if not especially for me and people like me, so you should believe too."

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#70673 Jan 12, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Your right...nor is logical deduction. But when you have cultures that have had no contact with one another that also are separated by time and space, come up with basic intuitional knowledge that correlates to a idea that science adheres to...( the Observer Effect)then you have something that should be considered...
You keep using that phrase... I don't think it means what you think it means.

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#70674 Jan 12, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
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It damages those who came to talk about Evolution vs. Creation. but who have to plow through discussion on other topics.
It damages those who skip the discussion on other topics, and who might skip a message about Evolution vs. Creation by mistake.
It is frustrating to those who try to remind other people that this forum is about Evolution vs. Creation, not about abiogenesis.
So we can't discuss the evolution of cosmos and particles? yawn

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#70675 Jan 12, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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whatever they call it but memory is not just stored in the brain.
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/conten...
That link contained information about epigenetic memory, which is not "memory" in the same way that the memories in our brain are memories. You are getting confused about what "memory" is in this context. Nothing in our body can retain memories in the same way that our brain can - our brain is the only organ that has a depository of information that we can access at will.

"Epigenetic memory" is, to put it very simply, the ability of the cells in our body to remember what they were before when they split. Additionally, our genes can change the ways in which they "express" themselves without any actual change to the underlying dna sequence, and these changes can be passed on from parent to child. This does not constitute "brain like memory."

If you would have read that link of yours before you posted it, you would have known this.

Here is a little something on "body memory."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_memory

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#70676 Jan 12, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Ahahahhahahaha. There just *has to* be a master chemist, eh? No justification, no evidence, just - "I don't understand science, so godditit!" Funny.
There is nothing wrong with someone believing God created it. What should concern Science is HOW God did it.

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#70677 Jan 12, 2013
Robert wrote:
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very very interesting...even outside of books...some Native Americans are able to hear the Earth speak...not in words, but more in the way of intuitions and symbols... I have experienced this directly, and I must say it is the most amazing thing that I have ever experienced. Believe it or not.
Not.

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#70678 Jan 12, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>That link contained information about epigenetic memory, which is not "memory" in the same way that the memories in our brain are memories. You are getting confused about what "memory" is in this context. Nothing in our body can retain memories in the same way that our brain can - our brain is the only organ that has a depository of information that we can access at will.
"Epigenetic memory" is, to put it very simply, the ability of the cells in our body to remember what they were before when they split. Additionally, our genes can change the ways in which they "express" themselves without any actual change to the underlying dna sequence, and these changes can be passed on from parent to child. This does not constitute "brain like memory."
If you would have read that link of yours before you posted it, you would have known this.
Here is a little something on "body memory."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_memory
That is what I was trying to explain. I never claimed cells have 'brain like memory.'

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#70679 Jan 12, 2013
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Blah! Blah! Blah!
You don't see fit to defend your lifestyle. You're judging my posts as homophobic and worthy of being having me placed in a straightjacket. No sense of honor among peers. Never will be.
I remain anonymous for many reasons, but I am perfectly aware that the people I fear could trace things through network logs, if it was that important. Other than that, the occasional stalker does concern me but more than anything, I worry about H.R. people profiling me and stifling my political voice.
You may like the choice to use your name, but you may find yourself losing opportunities because of it. That's a friendly warning. H.R. people don't like political fanatics, and maybe other things.
...and of course, I've already stated that I consider the Gay agenda to be about pushing Affirmative Action for Gays. Everything has come full circle, but you think that it's all about rules and you deny your own sense of legal vigilantism, so there we are.
No meaning.
The gay agenda? Is that like the negro agenda of the 60's? Those damn uppity negroes, with all their talk about
"equality" and "rights." Just like the gays.

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#70680 Jan 12, 2013
anonymous wrote:
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There should be a balance, but we know that there's still a traditional "women in the home" attitude and a tendency to think that women just aren't suited to some jobs. Perhaps sexual dimorphism suggests this to be a valid point and perhaps it doesn't. Just don't expect managers to be understanding.
They're mostly just arm-twisters who don't want to get dirt on themselves so if they can get away with it, they WILL make budget decisions that help them move up the ladder while chaining you down with workplace inefficiencies.
Homie, I think that you are projecting a wee bit.

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#70681 Jan 12, 2013
Time and Space wrote:
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But like someone said on another post...
If this random soup is created in a lab...all it prooves is 'intellegent design'...
And randomn soup, is not enough to produce the enviornment we have on this planet...
The variety of life...the opposite sex dynamics...
Life cannot exist without an enviornment in which to live or thrive...
What happens if you place one plant on the moon...without oxygenated soil, without other plants to polinate with?
It will simply die...
Look at all the various species put here, simply to be apart of a greater ecosphere...
Life on earth is a team effort...
It was all done deliberatly by a master designer or bio-engineer...or creator...
Your arguments are breathtakingly stupid.

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