Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 216606 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#70159 Jan 6, 2013
anonymous wrote:
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There should be a balance, but we know that there's still a traditional "women in the home" attitude and a tendency to think that women just aren't suited to some jobs. Perhaps sexual dimorphism suggests this to be a valid point and perhaps it doesn't. Just don't expect managers to be understanding.
They're mostly just arm-twisters who don't want to get dirt on themselves so if they can get away with it, they WILL make budget decisions that help them move up the ladder while chaining you down with workplace inefficiencies.
I'm not going to work under that kind of ill motivated boss. I agree some women are not fit to do certain jobs but so do men. There are certain situations and social settings that can make anyone maladjusted especially the fuddy duddy ones. lol
anonymous

Chagrin Falls, OH

#70160 Jan 6, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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I'm not going to work under that kind of ill motivated boss. I agree some women are not fit to do certain jobs but so do men. There are certain situations and social settings that can make anyone maladjusted especially the fuddy duddy ones. lol
Fuddy Duddy?! Hmmmm.

Not an advisable approach. The football jocks get along with fuddy duddies because they at least pretend to listen, and they do the nasty arm-twisting without realizing how disposable that makes them.

Ultimately, the only advantage young people have is that they can work long hours, aren't likely to be a healthcare problem, and for now, they're cheap. If you've got issues with older managers, it makes me wonder what manner of bad relationships you may have with them.

The workplace is their time. Your time is your time and I wouldn't let them bully you into giving up that time just because you might have agreed to a salaried position. They will pull those tricks. Otherwise, it's always good to listen, especially if new training or experience is in the deal.

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#70162 Jan 6, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
Fuddy Duddy?! Hmmmm.
Not an advisable approach. The football jocks get along with fuddy duddies because they at least pretend to listen, and they do the nasty arm-twisting without realizing how disposable that makes them.
Ultimately, the only advantage young people have is that they can work long hours, aren't likely to be a healthcare problem, and for now, they're cheap. If you've got issues with older managers, it makes me wonder what manner of bad relationships you may have with them.
The workplace is their time. Your time is your time and I wouldn't let them bully you into giving up that time just because you might have agreed to a salaried position. They will pull those tricks. Otherwise, it's always good to listen, especially if new training or experience is in the deal.
I don't have an issue with age. It's the personality types that I'm having difficulty with. Most people don't mind dealing with a job they don't enjoy and put up with people whom they can't grow fond with. Been there done that. It's why I am at a point where I tried to find work where I'm my own boss, and something more independent such as being a writer or artist while I find that dream job!
anonymous

Chagrin Falls, OH

#70163 Jan 6, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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I don't have an issue with age. It's the personality types that I'm having difficulty with. Most people don't mind dealing with a job they don't enjoy and put up with people whom they can't grow fond with. Been there done that. It's why I am at a point where I tried to find work where I'm my own boss, and something more independent such as being a writer or artist while I find that dream job!
Well, I don't place much faith in the artist/writer thing. That's one of those things you do on your own time, and if you get traction, great! It's like betting on becoming a pro athlete though. One in a million.

Now, I always find the older people more agreeable, but then again, I'm about 50 so that's increasingly becoming a peer thing. I'm not a stuffy old patriarch, as I think my meanderings on this site have demonstrated, but I still find them a bit more patient.

The biggest rule to remember on work ethics is, in my humble opinion, to never allow yourself to become an 80/20 worker. That is, don't just focus on the 80 percent of the work that takes 20 percent of the time. The whole job needs to get done. Kids can be impatient that way!

You'd have to tell me what kind of experiences you're referring to. There are a few curmudgeonly pains out there but everyone needs to pay their bills.

“Pancakes and eggs...”

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Since: Jan 10

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#70164 Jan 6, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong.
Would you like to learn the current state of abiogenesis? Or do you want to remain in a state of denial?
But like someone said on another post...

If this random soup is created in a lab...all it prooves is 'intellegent design'...

And randomn soup, is not enough to produce the enviornment we have on this planet...

The variety of life...the opposite sex dynamics...

Life cannot exist without an enviornment in which to live or thrive...

What happens if you place one plant on the moon...without oxygenated soil, without other plants to polinate with?

It will simply die...

Look at all the various species put here, simply to be apart of a greater ecosphere...

Life on earth is a team effort...

It was all done deliberatly by a master designer or bio-engineer...or creator...

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#70165 Jan 6, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, I don't place much faith in the artist/writer thing. That's one of those things you do on your own time, and if you get traction, great! It's like betting on becoming a pro athlete though. One in a million.
Now, I always find the older people more agreeable, but then again, I'm about 50 so that's increasingly becoming a peer thing. I'm not a stuffy old patriarch, as I think my meanderings on this site have demonstrated, but I still find them a bit more patient.
The biggest rule to remember on work ethics is, in my humble opinion, to never allow yourself to become an 80/20 worker. That is, don't just focus on the 80 percent of the work that takes 20 percent of the time. The whole job needs to get done. Kids can be impatient that way!
You'd have to tell me what kind of experiences you're referring to. There are a few curmudgeonly pains out there but everyone needs to pay their bills.
Glad to see that you're staying on topic with evolution vs. creation!

“Pancakes and eggs...”

Level 4

Since: Jan 10

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#70166 Jan 6, 2013
Anyone who studies DNA and RNA strands, and chromozones...and studies the complexity of it all...the protiens...the codes...

Knows that it is not randomn...it's all deliberate...

Birds with yellow feathers...deliberate...

Frogs...deliberate....

Honey bees to polinate the fruit...deliberate...

Quit allowing your hostility towards the Christian narrative blind you to the fact that there is a creator...an intellegent designer, who planted, seeded, life on earth...

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#70167 Jan 6, 2013
Time and Space wrote:
Anyone who studies DNA and RNA strands, and chromozones...and studies the complexity of it all...the protiens...the codes...
Knows that it is not randomn...it's all deliberate
Yeah, all of those chromozones and protiens aren't randomn. We knew that.

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Level 9

Since: Jan 11

mutilate. Point down range.

#70168 Jan 6, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
And why won't a civil union do the same thing?
You're still just labeling people and demanding non-existent rights. I pretty much told one person to keep his gay politics out of the forum and you jumped in, and have not failed to parse out a reply out of context to EVERY post I've made on the subject.
Why should I be the first to be silent? WHY?
Talk about WHY your lifestyle is worthy of protection. Show me that you understand what I've been saying and give a thought out rebuttal. You won't. You want to dictate, and to pose like an alpha monkey mounting the submissive. I can walk away anytime because I have made my point and have demonstrated that you don't have ANYTHING but monkey mimicry and rhetoric.
I'm calling this closed now. But you're going to say the same thing again. You'll claim that it's all nonsense, everyone's a homophobe who doesn't agree with you, and you are going to pose like George Washington crossing the Delaware to get your RIGHTS!
There are no rules! Enjoy your silly pose, but don't interrupt my discussions with others. I consider personal honor something you have to earn, not a "right" about where you can poke your swizzle stick, and I don't take kindly to REAL Internet trolls.
I don't really hate to point out that you did to me exactly that. You interupted an exchange between myself and another to chastize me about how I characterized a child killer. You didn't bother to ask what I meant or anything about me. You labelled me, accused me of crossing some imaginary line and then went on a rant.

How is that different from what you are accusing Drew of doing?

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#70169 Jan 6, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, I don't place much faith in the artist/writer thing. That's one of those things you do on your own time, and if you get traction, great! It's like betting on becoming a pro athlete though. One in a million.
Now, I always find the older people more agreeable, but then again, I'm about 50 so that's increasingly becoming a peer thing. I'm not a stuffy old patriarch, as I think my meanderings on this site have demonstrated, but I still find them a bit more patient.
The biggest rule to remember on work ethics is, in my humble opinion, to never allow yourself to become an 80/20 worker. That is, don't just focus on the 80 percent of the work that takes 20 percent of the time. The whole job needs to get done. Kids can be impatient that way!
You'd have to tell me what kind of experiences you're referring to. There are a few curmudgeonly pains out there but everyone needs to pay their bills.
I wasn't making enough as a writer. But I enjoyed doing it even though I'm not a native speaker. Other writers find that very rewarding though it could be quite challenging sometimes. And being an artist can be time consuming. I would probably make more money when I'm dead!

I enjoy being around people of all ages, personality types, and cultures but it seems like anyone can relate to me but I'm not getting the same thing back from others. I still have to figure out why I always feel that way. I'm just different from the rest. And you whiners keep proving my point. lol
anonymous

Chagrin Falls, OH

#70170 Jan 6, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>I don't really hate to point out that you did to me exactly that. You interupted an exchange between myself and another to chastize me about how I characterized a child killer. You didn't bother to ask what I meant or anything about me. You labelled me, accused me of crossing some imaginary line and then went on a rant.
How is that different from what you are accusing Drew of doing?
I gave you every reason to explain yourself about choosing to call a Asperger's patient "evil". You didn't think that was necessary so it escalated. Are you going to make that assertion again?
anonymous

Chagrin Falls, OH

#70171 Jan 6, 2013
Drew Smith wrote:
<quoted text>
Glad to see that you're staying on topic with evolution vs. creation!
Oops! Not content to butt out, eh? Well, that is what it is.

Trolling!

I knew you couldn't resist! ;)
anonymous

Chagrin Falls, OH

#70172 Jan 6, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
I wasn't making enough as a writer. But I enjoyed doing it even though I'm not a native speaker. Other writers find that very rewarding though it could be quite challenging sometimes. And being an artist can be time consuming. I would probably make more money when I'm dead!
I enjoy being around people of all ages, personality types, and cultures but it seems like anyone can relate to me but I'm not getting the same thing back from others. I still have to figure out why I always feel that way. I'm just different from the rest. And you whiners keep proving my point. lol
Whiner? Hmmm. Well, if you really do take everything on the chin...

So where are you coming from if that's not too personal? My first guess would be south of the border, but no guarantees there. I kind of winced at the thought that you were trying to be a writer because your English writing does have a few too many boo-boo's for the average editor to take seriously, but your syntax is too close to standard English for you to not have had significant exposure to it. Most people would just assume that you lack education.

I first pegged you as possibly part Native American because you obviously don't observe pecking orders, but you have enough confidence to wade into an American style of argument so I'd suspect a good deal of Spanish in your blood as well. Combine that with a reverence for Christian doctrine and it seems to fit.
anonymous

Chagrin Falls, OH

#70173 Jan 6, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Way to avoid the fact that I gave you exactly what you asked for. As a deflection, that's an epic fail.
Oh, and did you mean my use of the word "bastard" when you said "cussy"?
Don't look at me, it's Biblical:
" A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD. " (Deuteronomy 23:2)
Dang! That's New Testament? There's a way to kill evangelism!

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#70174 Jan 6, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
Whiner? Hmmm. Well, if you really do take everything on the chin...
So where are you coming from if that's not too personal? My first guess would be south of the border, but no guarantees there. I kind of winced at the thought that you were trying to be a writer because your English writing does have a few too many boo-boo's for the average editor to take seriously, but your syntax is too close to standard English for you to not have had significant exposure to it. Most people would just assume that you lack education.
I first pegged you as possibly part Native American because you obviously don't observe pecking orders, but you have enough confidence to wade into an American style of argument so I'd suspect a good deal of Spanish in your blood as well. Combine that with a reverence for Christian doctrine and it seems to fit.
I'm not Native American and not from south of the border. lol!
anonymous

Chagrin Falls, OH

#70175 Jan 6, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not Native American and not from south of the border. lol!
OK, keeping secrets, eh?(rolls eyes!)

“Do not bend, fold, staple or”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

mutilate. Point down range.

#70176 Jan 6, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
I gave you every reason to explain yourself about choosing to call a Asperger's patient "evil". You didn't think that was necessary so it escalated. Are you going to make that assertion again?
You didn't, I have the exchange and you went on a knee jerk rant.

I already explained that I had no idea of any mental illness possesses by the shooter. You didn't ask about that at the time, you just assumed an went on.

I think the shooter was evil based on the very reasons I supplied previously. If you hadn't informed me about his condition, I would have eventually found out about it in the paper, but it would not have changed my mind. We can go on and on about this and no doubt you would.

You really like to consider yourself above things, but your previous exchange with me shows me otherwise. I actually read your posts and asked questions. You skimmed mine, made errors in comprehending what I said and then drew conclusions based on those errors.

I am not trying to rehash anything. I am comfortable with my assessment and position. I am merely pointing out that you are attacking someone by claiming the same offense you perpetrated on me. Would you prefer I be dishonest and not mention it. You really work hard to come out on top no matter the stablility of your position. A very Alpha male quality if you don't mind my saying.

As to going off topic, I was enjoying your exchange with Cybele about company politics and work. I found your comments interesting and insightful.

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Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#70177 Jan 6, 2013
Time and Space wrote:
<quoted text>
But like someone said on another post...
If this random soup is created in a lab...all it prooves is 'intellegent design'...
And randomn soup, is not enough to produce the enviornment we have on this planet...
The variety of life...the opposite sex dynamics...
Life cannot exist without an enviornment in which to live or thrive...
What happens if you place one plant on the moon...without oxygenated soil, without other plants to polinate with?
It will simply die...
Look at all the various species put here, simply to be apart of a greater ecosphere...
Life on earth is a team effort...
It was all done deliberatly by a master designer or bio-engineer...or creator...
Fallacious statements abound.

1. It was not random, but it does not appear to be planned or "guided."
2. Reproducing natural environments proves that it can happen naturally.
3. The plant would freeze to death before any of that would happen.
4. You made the assertion, where is your evidence? If you cannot present evidence then your assertion is about as worthless as potting soil in the ocean.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#70178 Jan 6, 2013
Time and Space wrote:
Anyone who studies DNA and RNA strands, and chromozones...and studies the complexity of it all...the protiens...the codes...
Knows that it is not randomn...it's all deliberate...
Birds with yellow feathers...deliberate...
Frogs...deliberate....
Honey bees to polinate the fruit...deliberate...
Quit allowing your hostility towards the Christian narrative blind you to the fact that there is a creator...an intellegent designer, who planted, seeded, life on earth...
Many non-random things are not planned. We call it physics.

“Do not bend, fold, staple or”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

mutilate. Point down range.

#70179 Jan 6, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
I gave you every reason to explain yourself about choosing to call a Asperger's patient "evil". You didn't think that was necessary so it escalated. Are you going to make that assertion again?
You had no business to give me reasons to explain myself even though I did. You skipped over admitting that you butted into another conversation without really being clear on what you read. My guess was that you skimmed, saw a key word that triggers meaning for you, went into your sermon about mental illness and started labelling me. When I called you on it, you crawfished and tried hard to put it back on me.

You are doing much the same with Drew.

Just a point to clear up. Are you saying someone diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome can't be evil? What about people diagnosed with mental illness of another sort? Are you saying that only people free of mental illness can be evil? Help me out here anonymous in Akron. I can't know to avoid the line if you don't tell me where you drew it.

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