Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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The human brain is intricate in its fashioning and it is associated with the timing and functioning and correlating of much of the great complexity of the body. We as humans are apart from other creatures and much of our refinements are related to our brain and hand coordination. We think and feel with our hands. The hands contribute to the mental processes of thought and feeling.
Wonder where you plagiarised this? Ain't yours, that's for sure. Did you know that plagiarism is theft and one of the commandments has something to say on that one?

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<quoted text>All people are born with a sinful or disobedient nature that must be brought into subjection. We inherit the sins of our fathers, its just the way it is, but the good news is we can overcome through faith in God and what he has done on the cross.
Original sin, the most mendacious of any of the Christian doctrines. That, and the churching of women I do not in any form accept. Just a historical way of frightening people into taking their baby into the church through infant baptism. Even some of the Non-conformist churches reject it, going for adult baptism. Try approaching religion with a critical mind, not one that parrots all doctrine as sacrosanct.

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Everyone has a form of faith in something even if it is faith in themselves. Evos have faith that the science behind evolution is correct. The theory of evolution wasn't the brain child of just one person. So you have to believe the people who have been finding the evidence took no short cuts or didn't miss anything. Science rejects the supernatural in all forms. So logic says it wouldn't matter if God came down in a blaze of glory science would deny it.
That is the whole point of critical peer review. Scientists are always cynical of new findings until they are verified. Evolutionaries (i.e. the vast majority of people) do not have faith in science. They accept that true scientists use correct scientific methodology, unlike creationist "scientists" who set out with an agenda and try to make the facts fit their faith.

Of course elements are not yet discovered (or "missed" if you prefer the term). If we had all of them, there would be no need for further research. I have great concern when reference is made to belief and faith in relation to science. Science is not about some leap of faith, although I credit that insight and flashes of genius are vital to it. It is about "10% inspiration and 90% perspiration" (Einstein).

Mixing facts and faith do not make science. Faith requires belief in something that is unverifiable, the obvious example being a deity. Even Rousseau hedged his bets with his ambiguity of "if God did not exist, man would need to invent Him". Science seeks absolutes that are provable. It does not always find them, but year by year the "don't know" pool is shrinking.

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So kids who's parents are addicts aren't more likely to be also?
Kids of abusive parents aren't more likely to be abusive also?
The old saying you become your parents is never true?
Sorry, no to this one. You are referring to learnt berhaviour, not some propensity to sin that is there at birth. Those abused are more likely to abuse because they are socialised into that behavioural pattern. Likewise with "becoming your parents". Addiction is more complex - it would seem that there are some with a greater likelihood to having addictive personalities, just as there are some with mental illness who become dangerous. However, if this was something universal, it would apply to all, not just to a limited number. Don't think religion has anything to do with it, but since I'm not a psychiatrist, not qualified to judge.

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Burn and abandon the constitution.
However if we're going to do that you'll lose the other 9 of your bill of rights. Established by Christians
"What must the United States do to rid ourselves of this blight (creationism) on humanity?"
Sorry, many of your Founding Fathers were deists at best, which is why they deliberately tried to ensure separation of church and state. Not totally successful in the first attempt, hence the need for the First Amendment to the US Constitution with its wording on religion.

Ironic, isn't it, that in the UK, the Church is part of the State, yet we seem to have a more balanced approach to issues of religion?

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<quoted text> I am not preaching but clarifying.
Wow, humour this early in the day. Just spent five minutes cleaning off the tea I sprayed all over the keyboard. You couldn't clarify butter, let alone factual information. Still giggling over the irony of this statement.

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Well Charles since I don't believe any God exists of course I am not changing the "reality" of God. God is not a reality.
My mission in life is to turn religious believers into non-believers by showing them the ridiculousness of that belief and how ridicules the whole sky-daddy thing is. We are very far away from the bronze age now and we need to stand up and cast off the old boogeyman who some think controls human destiny somehow.
What does one man or a few set of people going to speak against the existence of the most high.
Don't waste your time on that, because no one has ever succeeded doing that.

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And clear explanations of how one arrived at an opinion are the heart of of a very important thing that we can do fo each other. It builds group knowledge and consensus.
Ofcourse. You are welcome.

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Wow, humour this early in the day. Just spent five minutes cleaning off the tea I sprayed all over the keyboard. You couldn't clarify butter, let alone factual information. Still giggling over the irony of this statement.
Likewise.

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Original sin, the most mendacious of any of the Christian doctrines.
Regardless of the religious origin of the original sin concept, I find it a great insight into human behaviour. It is a manifestation of the natural tension between selfish behaviour and altruistic behaviour. Baptism, unfortunately, does not seem to really fix the problem, as it is endlessly complex.

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Re: explaining how one arrives a religious "faith"
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<quoted text> Ofcourse. You are welcome.
But I must have missed something, because I didn't read the explanation.
It is a different process from how one arrives at faith in a light switch, isn't it?

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But I must have missed something, because I didn't read the explanation.
It is a different process from how one arrives at faith in a light switch, isn't it?
Faith is not limited to religion alone, it is all embracing.
It is a belief in something not yet seen, like the discovery of hidden treasures and the likes. Faith goes with unstoppable determination.

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Cybele wrote:
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Where did I say that I cells reproduce sexually? where?
Sorry it's not my fault you are slow
Your comment on the previous poster's stupid question lead us to believe so.

Don't worry. You have been well spotted as another idiot that knows little, but says much

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Cybele wrote:
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The computer uses binary codes, duh
So?

Explain to me, from the point where we power it, either from the wall or a laptop battery, to the point where you get a display on your screen you can interact with.

"Uses binary codes" is a very poor explanation.

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Faith is not limited to religion alone, it is all embracing.
It is a belief in something not yet seen, like the discovery of hidden treasures and the likes. Faith goes with unstoppable determination.
I don't quite get the "all embracing" part. At best, I gather that here we are only considering absolute faith, nothing less, even though weaker faith is also common.

OK, yes, mostly it has to do with expectation, I agree. For instance, if my light switch worked the last hundred times, I would have faith (confident expectation) that it would work one more time. That would be an example of belief in something not yet seen.(Doesn't matter that I saw it work before, I haven't seen the next attempt yet.)

Although I can think of a case where it is not a matter of expectation:
"I have faith that the sun rose at the correct time yesterday morning."
or "I have faith that Joshua's army killed every man, woman and child in Jericho except the relatives of the prostitutes." The first case perhaps being informed by my general faith in the science of the motions of the solar system, and the second case perhaps due to my trust in authority. Although perhaps it is still a matter of expectation, the one that I will not be disabused of that faith by evidence that might come to my attention later.

I can understand the association with determination, but not that determination, no matter how strongly motivated, is always unstoppable. That's only a romantic view of great determination. Such is another issue however.

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what is expidation?
A typo

*expedition

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What questions?
I am not lying because I can present evidence to suport my view and all you obviously can provide is evasion and questions.
Archeopteryx is not an intermediate anything because all it cited intermediate traits are actually theropod traits.
I have posted a link that shows speaks to it. That is the latest flavour of the month from your researchers. Would you like me to post it again?
Feathers are found on dinosaurs,TRex has a furcula and the dino furcula looks nothing like a bird wish bone.
None of you simpletons are even brave enough to comment on the FACTS above. Evasion is a key evo strategy.
What is intermediate? I see no intermediacy at all. I have demonstrated why arch is not intermediate and all you can do is gobble about your fictious posts that contain little more than babble.
As for whales. The fact is that the carbon dating on the bones gave inconsistent results possibly due to contamination. That is what the link said and what many references to these whale bones state. That is a fact. Researchers have no explantion as to how the whale bones got there. That is also a stated fact. Rising water levels and all sorts of things can throw dating off and if you were not such a boofhead you would know that. That is just one of the flaws in carbon dating.
The whale bones were found in a geological area dated to over 290mya. That is also a fact you have no and cannot refute. There are no dinosaur fosils in Michagan and evos suggest ice sheets stripped them away. Not that I'd expect you know anything like that. That is still a fact.
What's worse for evos is that you have a huge fraudulent misrepresentation that is presented to the public in your glossy whale evolution pictures. So you evos have NO evidence for your whale evolution theory other than fraudulent misrepresentation.
The facts have been supported by research and articles from your own evolutionists. If you deny them then state which ones you deny and I will repost the link and demonstrate what an ignorant boof you are. Yiu cannot escape the facts, one can only interpret them according to their underlying assumptions.
All you can do is be ignorant along with Subby and Kong, pose challenges and then run away.
Show me this mythical evidence of intermediacy in archeopteryx or shut up. God only knows how much you lot gobble on about it.
You are addressing one of my 6 points. You are not doing well.
Hi Maz, I see you are avoiding my questions, posted here:
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...

But here it is again:

Want to talk science, Maz? Okay, let's talk science. Answer these questions, if you please:

1) You believe in gravity, right? Tell us, in a single sentence, why the Earth does not pull the Earth towards it? How is the moon able to stay in the sky?

2) When digging for dinosaurs, why do I have to go down into deeper strata to find them? Why will I not find a dinosaur in the same strata than say, a lion, elephant or oryx?

3) When we radiometrically test the strata, why do we get more severe decay the deeper we do down?

4) GPS has allowed us to confirm that the continents are moving - at about 1-2 inches per year. Africa and South America's coast lines has a matching geologic profile - that implies that they were together at one stage in time. At the current rate of motion, the continents would have split up 97 million years ago. Do you have any other explanation that fit the facts?

5) Also by using the wonders of GPS technology, we measure that Everest is getting higher every year. Please, give a brief explanation of why

6) Take distilled water, put it into the microwave for about 5 minutes and add a spoonful of sugar. What would happen?

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You can easily find the answer on google.
The core of computing is binary encoding. The premise is that each of the transistor switches is either on of off, represented by 1 or 0. Each bit is a BInary digiT.
Each of these switches is more-or-less useless on its own. However, you can arrange them in a sequence to get some logic.
Humans use hexadecimal representation as a form of shorthand for binary. That's a 16-base number system that goes from 0-9 then a-f, then rolls over from 0f to 10.
When you write a computer program, the compiler converts your code into opcode, a hex representation of the binary stream. The CPU interprets the opcodes and follows the program, manipulating bits in the accumulator section. In other words, it reads the binary code and uses that code to switch bits on and off in its "brain". The outgoing data is then sent to various locations in the computer, such as to the sound card, video card, hard disk, RAM, etc. You can do this by mapping each location to a virtual location in the computer. For example, you could set the address 0x2000 to be the sound card, and when you write the data 0x5e41 to 0x2000, the sound card will interpret that data and put out an analog signal to the speakers. You could also read the data at location 0x3000 to see what's on that location in the hard drive.
Plagiarism? Shame on you!

This bit was stolen from here:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_computers_us...

Another giveaway that you have no academic background. No scholar worth his salt will EVER plagiarise the work of ANYONE. I would even go as far as referencing the writer of a song when repeating a lyric.

So, we now know that you do not know the answer to the question and that you had to look it up.

Now my question is this: Do you believe the writer of the piece you plagiarised? How do you know that he/her/they have any kind of clue how a computer works?

Let me answer: You can reference it. You can go on wikipedia, you can go on howstuffworks, or talk to computer engineers and you can verify them as source.

My point: In being adamant that we need to understand every discipline involved in the Theory of Evolution, yet you use the computer while not being able to understandstand its inner workings, makes you a rather stupid-looking hypocrite

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The land form rose above the sea over 290 million years ago. The rest is speculative prattle.
They say not all was above simply because of the whale bones in one explanation. IOW they have speculated parts of the geology based on evolutionary assumptions and nothing more.
IOW the simplicity of these fossils simply being there because that is where they were when the land rose is just too simple for evos and it wrecks their TOE on whales totally. No dino fossils is also explained by your researchers who say they were dragged away by ice sheets. Meaning the land must have sunk or the sea rise above the land form since the last ice age. Der!!!
So whether you like it or not, accept the interpretattion or not, Michagan rose above the sea over 290mya and that is where the whale fossils were found. The rubbish about rising seas is another of many explanations, sounds more like a desperate bedtime story.
Evos hate pasimony and love comlications and will turn any evidence for creation into a mysrery with their hubris.
The other side of the coin is that evolutionists only have fraudulent misreprentation as their support for whale ancestry.
Hence again I say, that no support I provide for my view could possibly be worse than what evolutionists have to present.
The data, whale bones found in strata over 290myo, is hand waved away by numerous hand waving and complicated scenarios, as usual.
HAhahahaha!

290 million year old bone!

Maz, can you define this term for us:

Fossil

Methinks that you have been fed crap, and were to dumb to realise it

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And one of the of closest dinosaur ancestors to birds is what? T, Rex
FYI every stage in evolution is an intermediate trait
Yep, the tyrannosaur family were the only ones we mapped thus far. Methinks if we were to take a smaller therapod, like velociraptor, Troodon, Compsognathus, or Shenzoraptor, we would find an even more definite link between therapod and bird.

Problem is that dino DNA is not really easy to come by. To say it is as scarce as hen's teeth is an understatement

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