Evolution vs. Creation

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#63231 Dec 5, 2012
MazHere wrote:
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Your link says nothing. And you posted a link that I addressed and then you disappeared.
Evos have found modern whale bones in strata dated to 290mya. Fact.
Your evo researchers came up with inconclusive dates that were blamed on contamination and therefore hold no validity at all. Fact.
Evo reseachers canot explain how the whale bones got there. Fact.
There are no dinosaur fossils in Michagan. Researchers suggest dino fossils were taken away during an ice age. Fact.
Logic. If dino fossils were taken away by ice sheets during an ice age, then the remaining fossils must be older that the dino fossils.
So not only can I present whale bones found in strata dated to 212 myo, I can also present a plausible explanation of why they are there and dino fossils aren't, on the back of inconclusive contaminated dating of the bones themselves.
For your whale ancestry you have a bunch of fossils that were cohabitating around 49mya, a basilosaurus that is older than Indohyus, morphology that contradicts DNA in whale/hippo/pig.
Again I maintain that the data supports a creationist paradigm. Evolutionists have contradictory hubris to present to explain the data and suggest why whales could not possibly have 'evolved' 212mya.
So you have not finalized anything at all. Do you think making a comment then scurrying off is a debate, do you?
My supports and interpretations of data could not posibly be worse than what you have to present. That is a fact that evos would rather hang themselves over than admit.
So 290 million year old whales have been found?

Please, direct me to the published, peer reviewed article, please.

Also, which paleontologist discovered it, affiliated with which university?

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#63232 Dec 5, 2012
MazHere wrote:
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Your link says nothing. And you posted a link that I addressed and then you disappeared.
Evos have found modern whale bones in strata dated to 290mya. Fact.
Your evo researchers came up with inconclusive dates that were blamed on contamination and therefore hold no validity at all. Fact.
Evo reseachers canot explain how the whale bones got there. Fact.
There are no dinosaur fossils in Michagan. Researchers suggest dino fossils were taken away during an ice age. Fact.
Logic. If dino fossils were taken away by ice sheets during an ice age, then the remaining fossils must be older that the dino fossils.
So not only can I present whale bones found in strata dated to 212 myo, I can also present a plausible explanation of why they are there and dino fossils aren't, on the back of inconclusive contaminated dating of the bones themselves.
For your whale ancestry you have a bunch of fossils that were cohabitating around 49mya, a basilosaurus that is older than Indohyus, morphology that contradicts DNA in whale/hippo/pig.
Again I maintain that the data supports a creationist paradigm. Evolutionists have contradictory hubris to present to explain the data and suggest why whales could not possibly have 'evolved' 212mya.
So you have not finalized anything at all. Do you think making a comment then scurrying off is a debate, do you?
My supports and interpretations of data could not posibly be worse than what you have to present. That is a fact that evos would rather hang themselves over than admit.
Hahahaha!

Maz, do you think that fossil are bones??

LOL Maz, please be so kind and define for us:

WHAT IS A FOSSIL?

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#63233 Dec 5, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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By your definition faith is fact.
4 - a truth known by actual experience or observation
Faith
1 - Complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
2 -Strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
I have actual experience with faith.
This is the part where you say something about how I'm dumb and how much better it is to be like you.
There ya go, evidence that christianity (more particularly funnymentalist christians) often re-define words to suite their own ends, take “scientific theory” for example, funnymentalist christians often interpret the term as guess. Or how about “morality” where they claim it does not apply to people who don’t think as they do. Jeesus f*?#ing christ on a crutch they even think christianity invented the concept.

Definition of ‘Experience’- Noun - Practical contact with and observation of facts or events.

See that,“practical’, not believed, not imagined but “practical”

And the definition of ‘Practical’ Adjective - Of or concerned with the ‘actual’ doing or use of something

See that “actual” not believed, not imagined but “actual”

And the definition of ‘Actual”– Adjective - Existing in fact

Oh look, full circle.

And of course as a good christian you misinterpret or deliberately confuse dream, trust, belief, imagination with practical, indisputable experience.

Belief in something is not actually experiencing, e.g. I can have faith that I turn the oven on, I can dream it and imagine turning the oven on but until I actually reach out and turn the knob the oven remains stubbornly off.

No, you believe you experienced, you have faith that you experienced, you cannot actually provide practical evidence for that experience

Why would I say you are dumb, you are entitled to believe whatever you want, the dumbness comes in when you don’t know the difference between reality and belief

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#63234 Dec 5, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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You keep saying that over and over but there aren't sufficient evidence to support TOE from the sources being posted here
Go to a museum.

There you can look at the evidence, firsthand

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#63235 Dec 5, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
With what did the first cell capable of sexual reproduction reproduce?
Ever had biology?

Ever study a cell?

Have you ever seen one to have any sexual organs?

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#63236 Dec 5, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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cell fawn. lol
So... You also believe that cells reproduce sexually?

Tell me, what age did you leave school? Structure of the plant/animal cell is eighth or ninth grade biology

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#63237 Dec 5, 2012
Chimney1 wrote:
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Getting a little impatient?
Careful, the moment you insult a biblical YEC creationist type (s)he will jump on the persecution soapbox, which is one of the emotional wellsprings of their irrational creed. Its like giving vodka to an alcoholic :) Don't you know there is a war on Christmas!
Nope I just shouted in the hope of something registering in her stupid creatard mind, only hope mind you, no real expectation.

I know, good ain’t it

What is Christmas? Oh that celebration that was hijacked from the Romans and two or three northern European celebrations, with the excuse that if you join our club you won’t have to give up your winter festival.

Surely you mean there is a war on Saturnalia or on Yule or on Winter Solstice

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#63238 Dec 5, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
Oh and why would any plant or animal want to reproduce more of its kind since this would only make more mouths to feed and decrease the chances of survival?(Does the individual have a drive to survive, or the species)
CONGRATULATIONS!!!

Finally, a good, sensible question from you!

I am so proud of you.

Yes. Why reproduce?

The answer is that all animals, us included, have a thing known as DRIVE. A drive for survival, a drive for sex, a drive for obtaining nourishment and a drive to reproduce.

Giving you an example - Have you ever been in a life threatening emergency, i.e. a fight for your life? Have you noticed that, even if you are not a fighter, you gain this terrible WILL for survival? That you can dig deep down into reserves you never knew you had, to get out of it?

Or, likewise, have you ever been really aroused when with a woman you know it is a bad idea to sleep with? How difficult is it getting out of there? It is difficult, because we have an innate DRIVE for sex.

With our offspring, we (usually) have a DRIVE to care for them. That is why most parents, mine included, would lay down their lives in a second, to save mine.

Now, females also have a drive to reproduce. Have you ever seen a few ladies in the baby section of the store, mulling over how cute those little bootsies look? That is parental drive.

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#63239 Dec 5, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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I agree the urge to reproduce is a strong one. However humans can and do choose not to. Where as a cat and every other living thing in the world doesn't choose they just do what comes natural. What gives man that ability to say no to our base instinct if man is nothing special and no better than any other animal how is it we can choose against nature?
Another good question!

The answer, is because we are able to (largely) think of the consequences of following our natural instincts. We are able to determine our position in society and make an informed decision.

For instance - I have a drive to reproduce, too. I am 26, in the prime of my life. However, I understand that currently, my financial position is not strong enough to pay for childcare. I would want to wait at least a few years, to ensure that I can support my children.

The same way I have an innate drive for sex, but I understand that I can't just sleep with any female out there.

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#63240 Dec 5, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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So you believe their formulas and statistics without understanding how they do it?
I am following your logic here:

Do you know how the computer works? How do you turn electricity into an interactive display on your screen?

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#63241 Dec 5, 2012
Double Fine wrote:
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Another good question!
The answer, is because we are able to (largely) think of the consequences of following our natural instincts. We are able to determine our position in society and make an informed decision.
For instance - I have a drive to reproduce, too. I am 26, in the prime of my life. However, I understand that currently, my financial position is not strong enough to pay for childcare. I would want to wait at least a few years, to ensure that I can support my children.
The same way I have an innate drive for sex, but I understand that I can't just sleep with any female out there.
Double Fine wrote:
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Another good question!

but I understand that I can't just sleep with any female out there.
Say what? That’s not like you

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#63242 Dec 5, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
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Say what? That’s not like you
I meant to add, not without them paying for the privilege

:)

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#63243 Dec 5, 2012
Chimney1 wrote:
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Birds evolved from dinosaurs.
Mammals evolved from another group of reptiles (therapsids), at about the same time as dinosaurs were first evolving (from archosaurs), but dinosaurs became dominant and stayed that way until 65 million years ago.
But you are missing the point. Everything has been evolving for as long as everything else - about 3.5 billion years, whether its a frog or an oak tree or a human. And "superior" is a meaningless word in the context you use it.
You might think you are superior to a rat or an E. coli because you have a big brain. You can certainly say your intelligence, as a characteristic, is superior to theirs. But survival is the whole package. Your brain carries a price...perhaps even the ability to form massive groups and develop weapons of mass destruction can be seen as indications that intelligence is an evolutionary dead end!
Every species alive today is "the winner" in superiority and luck...come back in 50 million years to see which species were the luckiest or most superior "today". Perhaps 50 million years from now, the majority of successful species on the planet might have evolved from today's bats! There is no way of knowing.
Yeah.

The reasons why dinosaurs bacame dominant, is another great debate in itself. During the Triassic extinction event, the dinosaurs had a small, but adaptle player in the field: Coelophysis. I believe that that is the very animal that heralded in the dinosaurs as the dominant life forms on earth.

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#63244 Dec 5, 2012
Double Fine wrote:
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Want to talk science, Maz? Okay, let's talk science. Answer these questions, if you please:
1) You believe in gravity, right? Tell us, in a single sentence, why the Earth does not pull the Earth towards it? How is the moon able to stay in the sky?
My apologies.

"...why the Earth does not pull the MOON towards it"

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#63245 Dec 5, 2012
RE: Easy explanation of Quantum Gravity
Double Fine wrote:
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Okay.First, you need to take a magnet and imagine the flux lines are a river flowing past it. Now, induce a string with EM energy, and put it in this "river". What does it do? Hold the string a bit further. What effect do you see?
Wait a sec. I thought we were going to talk about quantum gravity. OK, so is this an analogy in terms of EM field theory? Is the string one of the strings of string theory? What does it mean to induce a string with EM energy? You mean like magnetize it? or like induce a charge dipole in it? Are we talking in terms of 3-space or 4-space? We are talking bar magnet, right? If the string is magnetized or becomes so, then it aligns with the magnetic field. Hold it a bit further, in time or distance? Are you sure this is going to easy for everyone to understand?

BTW, another thread, I figure would be outside the Evo/Creo thread.

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#63246 Dec 5, 2012
AustinHook wrote:
RE: Easy explanation of Quantum Gravity
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Wait a sec. I thought we were going to talk about quantum gravity. OK, so is this an analogy in terms of EM field theory? Is the string one of the strings of string theory? What does it mean to induce a string with EM energy? You mean like magnetize it? or like induce a charge dipole in it? Are we talking in terms of 3-space or 4-space? We are talking bar magnet, right? If the string is magnetized or becomes so, then it aligns with the magnetic field. Hold it a bit further, in time or distance? Are you sure this is going to easy for everyone to understand?
BTW, another thread, I figure would be outside the Evo/Creo thread.
Errr..

Do you actually think that I was being serious?

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#63247 Dec 5, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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How do you filter them out?
Through natural selection. Either they don't live to breeding age or they die after they have kids and the kids die too. The latter is not happening so much today, but before civilized times it was not uncommon at all. Childhood sickle cell anemia is fairly rare. Most cases today are people who are over 40, an age that would historically be beyond the breeding and raising children age.

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#63248 Dec 5, 2012
Double Fine wrote:
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Hey the Bible tells us that your God sniffs panties!
Yuck
There are a lot of people that think sniffing panties is hot. Well there are plenty of threads on topics on the subject just take a look at the human sexuality threads. Maybe it a christian pastime

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#63249 Dec 5, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
With what did the first cell capable of sexual reproduction reproduce?
No need to presume that when it became capable of sexual reproduction that it suddenly ceased to be capable of asexual reproduction. Many species of microbe do both, so there are always plenty of partners around.

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#63250 Dec 5, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
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There are a lot of people that think sniffing panties is hot. Well there are plenty of threads on topics on the subject just take a look at the human sexuality threads. Maybe it a christian pastime
LOL, I have no clever comebacks on that one

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