Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“I am Sisyphus”

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#50829 Oct 7, 2012
President Starky wrote:
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More ignorance on your part.
This is not about religion.
It is about creation vs evolution.
LOL
"Stuff's gettin better"
2012

creation is a religious view, so it is about religion. Non religious people do not hold creationist views.
BuzzinFr0g

Honolulu, HI

#50830 Oct 7, 2012
President Starky wrote:
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It indicates your lack of knowledge, Not Gods.
He knows what the result of your actions will be.
You choose the action.
He chooses the result.
"Stuff's gettin better"
Maybe I'm the only one not getting this but this seems like obfuscation. Clearly we don't know what our future actions will be. So the deity knows the result before the action? I fail to see how this is any different than knowing what an individual's actions will be. The deity is supposed to be timeless, yes? Is the future a barrier to the deity or can he transcend it? If he knows all that was and all that will be then it certainly is predestination. It he only knows outcomes and doesn't/can't backtrace them to determine actions then he lacks true omniscience.

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#50831 Oct 7, 2012
Dogen wrote:
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The implicit challenge was for you to come out of your shell and engage in meaningful discussion. You are still welcome to do that.
A discussion where you decide what constitutes meaningful?
LOL
For some reason, nothing you have said thus far has been a challenge.
You can no more prove that man evolved from apes than I can prove that God put Man here.
So you go on and believe what you want and I'll do the same.
I don't need your permission or welcome to post my beliefs or opinions.
You are always free to disagree or to ignore my posts.

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#50832 Oct 7, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Stop the presses! Starky is finally right about one thing. There is no connection between evolution and religion. It is based upon science and nothing else.
Wrong!
Religion has nothing to do with Creation and evolution has nothing to do with truth.

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#50833 Oct 7, 2012
Dogen wrote:
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So, what brings you here and what is with all the anger?
What makes you see anger that does not exist?
Paranoia?
Just asking.
BuzzinFr0g

Honolulu, HI

#50834 Oct 7, 2012
Another question I have is about the deity's awareness of his own future actions. In the Old Testament the deity sometimes acts and then later regrets the decision. For example, The Flood. Doesn't he express to Noah afterword that he is sorry for his action and in the future will not create another such cataclysm in response to 'waywardness'? That would indicate a lack of foresight as well as an ability to act irrationally (even if having such foresight), both of which seem at odds with being a 'perfect' entity. Correct?

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Everett, WA

#50835 Oct 7, 2012
President Starky wrote:
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A discussion where you decide what constitutes meaningful?
LOL
For some reason, nothing you have said thus far has been a challenge.
You can no more prove that man evolved from apes than I can prove that God put Man here.
So you go on and believe what you want and I'll do the same.
I don't need your permission or welcome to post my beliefs or opinions.
You are always free to disagree or to ignore my posts.
"Stuff's gettin better"
2012
No Starky, a discussion based upon science, logic and evidence. If either side uses poor resources, bad logic, or shoddy evidence it should be pointed out by the other side.

I know, it is a very difficult task for creationists to take on. Most eventually admit that they are believing merely because they want to believe, not because there is any evidence supporting their side.

Also to be fair you need to state your beliefs and why you believe them. No one on our side is afraid to state what we believe. You make yourself look weak if you are not willing to admit what you believe in.

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#50836 Oct 7, 2012
Dogen wrote:
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This the same God that can't even find Adam in the Garden of Eden?
The argument for free will is refuted by an all knowing god. That is an old argument. Do you have anything new and interesting?
Again, a conversation where you decide what is new and interesting?
LOL
Yawn!
You seem to be your own problem.
God didn't create man in his image, He created Adam in his image.
Try chewing on that for just a bit.
LOL

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#50837 Oct 7, 2012
President Starky wrote:
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Wrong!
Religion has nothing to do with Creation and evolution has nothing to do with truth.
Then post some evidence that backs up your position. We are not afraid to back up our beliefs.

In a debate if one side supplies evidence and the other side supplies nothing the side that supplies nothing loses.

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#50838 Oct 7, 2012
Dogen wrote:
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creation is a religious view, so it is about religion. Non religious people do not hold creationist views.
Wrong!
Religions have adopted the Creation view.
The Creation view has been around ,well, since Creation.
Religion came much later. LOL
Patriot

Broomfield, CO

#50839 Oct 7, 2012
anonymous wrote:
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Not that interesting.
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It will be...

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#50840 Oct 7, 2012
BuzzinFr0g wrote:
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Maybe I'm the only one not getting this but this seems like obfuscation. Clearly we don't know what our future actions will be. So the deity knows the result before the action? I fail to see how this is any different than knowing what an individual's actions will be. The deity is supposed to be timeless, yes? Is the future a barrier to the deity or can he transcend it? If he knows all that was and all that will be then it certainly is predestination. It he only knows outcomes and doesn't/can't backtrace them to determine actions then he lacks true omniscience.
You seem to make up your own interpretations of what others say as you go along.
Its like a law with a predetermined outcome depending on whether you follow that law, or break that law.
If you break that law, the law maker knows what will happen to you. You get to decide whether or not to break it.
You don't get to change the outcome if you do.
Free will?

“I am Sisyphus”

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#50841 Oct 7, 2012
President Starky wrote:
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Wrong!
Religion has nothing to do with Creation and evolution has nothing to do with truth.

Religion is the foundation of creationism. Data is the foundation of evolution.

Evolution is founded upon the scientific method. It has been observed, tested, replicated,....

You need details?

“I am Sisyphus”

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#50842 Oct 7, 2012
President Starky wrote:
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What makes you see anger that does not exist?
Paranoia?
Just asking.

20+ years working in the mental health field.

The anger is there. It is interesting, but not surprising, that you do not see it.

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Everett, WA

#50843 Oct 7, 2012
President Starky wrote:
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Wrong!
Religions have adopted the Creation view.
The Creation view has been around ,well, since Creation.
Religion came much later. LOL
No, creation stories did not appear until sometime after people developed speech.

There is a fairly wide variance in creation myths, especially when you compare all of the numerous New World versions that were not lost. When religions are defeated or consolidated creation myths are lost. That had not happened in the New World yet.

“I am Sisyphus”

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#50844 Oct 7, 2012
President Starky wrote:
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Again, a conversation where you decide what is new and interesting?
LOL
Yawn!
You seem to be your own problem.
God didn't create man in his image, He created Adam in his image.
Try chewing on that for just a bit.
LOL

He actually created Adam and Lilith in their (plural) image (whatever that means).

Eve was a replacement player.

“I am Sisyphus”

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#50845 Oct 7, 2012
President Starky wrote:
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Wrong!
Religions have adopted the Creation view.
The Creation view has been around ,well, since Creation.
Religion came much later. LOL

Wrong!

You like making things up. LOL

The creation views of different religions,..... differ. LOL

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#50846 Oct 7, 2012
Patriot wrote:
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It will be...

It was interesting when it happened in the later half of the first century c.e.

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#50847 Oct 7, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
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No Starky, a discussion based upon science, logic and evidence. If either side uses poor resources, bad logic, or shoddy evidence it should be pointed out by the other side.
I know, it is a very difficult task for creationists to take on. Most eventually admit that they are believing merely because they want to believe, not because there is any evidence supporting their side.
Also to be fair you need to state your beliefs and why you believe them. No one on our side is afraid to state what we believe. You make yourself look weak if you are not willing to admit what you believe in.
There has been no evidence produced.
No missing link.
Nothing.
To be fair, I have already stated my beliefs but you're looking for a specific religion to attack.
LOL
Faith is not a religion.
Evolution is a religion.
One is an action word (Faith)
One is a belief (Darwinism)

There is more proof of biblical events and actual people named in the Bible than there is of a fossilized missing link.
What you fail to understand is that God is the authority on all science. He is the ultimate scientist.
The only evolution came right after he put everything in motion.
Now, whether he used the exact words "Let there be light" or whether he said Hey everybody, check out this big bang I'm about to create, We may never know.
BuzzinFr0g

Honolulu, HI

#50848 Oct 7, 2012
President Starky wrote:
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You seem to make up your own interpretations of what others say as you go along.
Its like a law with a predetermined outcome depending on whether you follow that law, or break that law.
If you break that law, the law maker knows what will happen to you. You get to decide whether or not to break it.
You don't get to change the outcome if you do.
Free will?
I see. So God doesn't know the future, he's only got a checklist of all possible outcomes to all possible scenarios. That isn't omniscience. It's an incredibly easy claim to make.

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