Evolution vs. Creation

[Chimney]

Ambulocetus, not amniocetus. whoops.

[Chimney]

Miss Touri wrote:

You cannot hope to defend abortion or homosexuality. If you are for either one...it is out of selfishness and lies and deceit. god loves sinners, but people who make decisions like that know what they are doing.

Rubbish. Homosexuals have little choice in the matter. They either do what comes natural to them or they remain celibate. That is how God made them. If you think its their choice to feel the way they do, you are an idiot.

YOU are the selfish one. No doubt your sexuality is normal - therefore its fine for YOU to preach to others who are not so fortunate.

[Miss Touri]

The Dude wrote:

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Oh, shutup you hypocritical bigot.

And what are you?

[Miss Touri]

Kong_ wrote:

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Help me understand this. So when Chuck Smith said: "...[I am] convinced that the Lord [will come] for His Church before the end of 1981."...he was repeating the words of God?
Was God just teasing Chuck then?
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I haven't made up my mind on abortion. But for the time being, abortion is legal in the US. It's a brutal, unfortunate practice, but it's legal and between a woman, her doctor and her conscience.
Homosexuals are human beings. Anything that two or more consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home is of no concern to me, nor should it be to you, Chuck Smith, the government, or anyone else.

Also as you preach through the entire word of God you learn that "No man knows the hour and the day that the lord shall return" He comes back like a thief in the night and that indicates people will not expect His return, it will be a surprise, and it's true that right now most people don't expect him to return so it's quite logical that he could come soon. Chuck wasn't claiming to 'know' the hour and the day, he has sharing that which he was convinced of in his heart, he's still alive and could live to see the Lord come for the church.

Your rational for abortion and homosexuality is pathetic. When you fail to see evil as evil because you prefer to be seen as an open minded tolerant of everything in the whole wide world type of person...it is vain and empty...you'll reap the wind.

[Miss Touri]

Chimney wrote:

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Rubbish. Homosexuals have little choice in the matter. They either do what comes natural to them or they remain celibate. That is how God made them. If you think its their choice to feel the way they do, you are an idiot.
YOU are the selfish one. No doubt your sexuality is normal - therefore its fine for YOU to preach to others who are not so fortunate.

How did God make Homosexuals? He made men and He made women. Where is your argument? An idiot must be a person who knows there are males and females.
Unfortunate? that's what homosexxuals are? if you think that's unfortunate why don't they simply stop?

[TedHOhio]

LowellGuy wrote:

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Wow. A "great article to read" is complete horseshit. Since you didn't bother posting the URL to this "great article," why don't I do that for you? http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/ee/o...
Here's something else "great" from their website:
AiG teaches that “facts” don’t speak for themselves, but must be interpreted. That is, there aren’t separate sets of “evidences” for evolution and creation—we all deal with the same evidence (we all live on the same earth, have the same fossils, observe the same animals, etc.). The difference lies in how we interpret what we study. The Bible—the “history book of the universe”—provides a reliable, eye-witness account of the beginning of all things, and can be trusted to tell the truth in all areas it touches on. Therefore, we are able to use it to help us make sense of this present world. When properly understood, the “evidence” confirms the biblical account.( http://www.answersingenesis.org/about )
In other words, the Bible is correct, and anything that appears to contradict the Bible must be rationalized to fit with the Bible's claims, because the Bible is correct. There is absolutely nothing that can prove the Bible false, because the Bible is correct. Sounds fool-proof to me! If I replaced "the Bible" with "LowellGuy," would it be ridiculous? How about if we replaced "the Bible" with "the Koran?" What now? What if we change it to "Lord of the Rings?"
And, note that it says it "provides a reliable, eye-witness account of the beginning of all things." Really? REALLY? You do realize that if they're going to combat science, they need to DO SCIENCE, right? In other words, it's more than pointing at scientific findings and saying "NUH UH!" and "the Bible says!" They need to do actual research, do actual experiments, and report their actual results to actual scientific bodies. Otherwise, there is no reason to listen to them. Ken Ham loves to say "were you there?" Well, he wasn't there, so how does he know the Bible is true? There's your dear leader, hoist by his own petard.

It's even worse for kennie ham than that. He readily admits that what is in the Bible has to be interpreted in order to be accepted in a modern context ... so when he makes his pronouncements, he's claiming Biblical Literalism, but what he is really giving out is the Bible according to kennie ham.( http://sciencestandards.blogspot.com/2011/08/... )

[TedHOhio]

oops, wrong link: http://sciencestandards.blogspot.com/2011/08/...

[Kong_]

Miss Touri wrote:

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Also as you preach through the entire word of God you learn that "No man knows the hour and the day that the lord shall return" He comes back like a thief in the night and that indicates people will not expect His return, it will be a surprise, and it's true that right now most people don't expect him to return so it's quite logical that he could come soon. Chuck wasn't claiming to 'know' the hour and the day, he has sharing that which he was convinced of in his heart, he's still alive and could live to see the Lord come for the church.
Your rational for abortion and homosexuality is pathetic. When you fail to see evil as evil because you prefer to be seen as an open minded tolerant of everything in the whole wide world type of person...it is vain and empty...you'll reap the wind.

Speaking of 'rationalizing'!

Chuck said OUTRIGHT that the end of the world was going to happen before the end of 1981(?).

HE WAS WRONG. Apparently he does NOT have God's ear.
I would bet you and he share that same quality.

Yes, I TRY (and struggle to be) open-minded as it pertains to other people. This is not to say I am open-minded about some things. For instance, prejudice and hated.

God MADE homosexuals as they are. The sex drive that all adults feel are different for them than it is for you, that's all. A leading hypothesis suggests that those persons born as homosexuals are inclined that way as a result of receiving too little (gay males) or too much (lesbian women) testosterone as a fetus [I *think* I got that right---corrections, anyone?].

It is not "SATAN" or the boogeyman that bops these individuals on the head and turns them gay. It is a biological condition that is measurable.

The fact that you have been taught to be intolerant of this class of people (probably by your "pastor Chuck") is inexcusable in this enlighted age.

How do you feel Jesus would react to your prejudice of his [gay] children?

[Dogen]

Aunt JenJen wrote:

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It's always the most perverted who is the least tolerant. I always wonder why these religious people always seem to conveniently forget the whole "thou shall not judge" commandment. Why is it your place to say what is right and what is wrong. Being judgmental is just as big of a sin as homosexuality, if you want to be technical about it. So I guess I'll see you in hell.

Actually being judgemental is a bigger sin that homosexuality. Homosexuality is only an abomination which required ritual cleansing prior to entering the temple. Being Judgmental actually upsurps and attempts to commandeer the power of god.

[Dogen]

Miss Touri wrote:

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How did God make Homosexuals? He made men and He made women. Where is your argument? An idiot must be a person who knows there are males and females.
Unfortunate? that's what homosexxuals are? if you think that's unfortunate why don't they simply stop?

Dumbest post in the history of the internet.

[Knightkore]

Obviously Creation wins hands down. It is after all factual and true.

[Kong_]

Dogen wrote:

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Dumbest post in the history of the internet.

Possibly, but this one (below) is right there with it:

Knightmare wrote:

Obviously Creation wins hands down. It is after all factual and true.

[Earth Child 1]

Knightmare wrote:

Obviously Creation wins hands down. It is after all factual and true.

Only in you're mind.

[Knightkore]

Kong_ wrote:

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Possibly, but this one (below) is right there with it:
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Hey now, ho there, hi there, hey there...what do you find wrong with my comment?

There are numerous evidences of and for creation. Take the Bible for instance. Take creation itself for instance.

If evolution were true, vampires, werewolves would exist. They don't. How do you account for that?

[Knightkore]

Earth Child 1 wrote:

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Only in you're mind.

No...in actual, definite, fact. Look around you. Touch a rock, smell a flower, look at the stars. Creation is all there in breathtaking 4-D to enjoy.

[MikeF]

Knightmare wrote:

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Hey now, ho there, hi there, hey there...what do you find wrong with my comment?
There are numerous evidences of and for creation. Take the Bible for instance. Take creation itself for instance.
If evolution were true, vampires, werewolves would exist. They don't. How do you account for that?

WTF???

[Kong_]

Knightmare wrote:

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Hey now, ho there, hi there, hey there...what do you find wrong with my comment?
There are numerous evidences of and for creation. Take the Bible for instance. Take creation itself for instance.
If evolution were true, vampires, werewolves would exist. They don't. How do you account for that?

Nice strawman you're beating up there!

Really? "vampires"? "werewolves"?

BTW, I believe congratulations are in order with that comment.
You just made "FSTDT" (Fundies Say The Darndest Things).

http://fstdt.com/LatestComments.aspx

It hasn't shown up yet, but please keep checking back. You could be famous!

[Knightkore]

MikeF wrote:

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WTF???

Come on now, be honest. If evolution were real we would find tons of evidence of vampires and werewolves.

Even real yetis or something similar. I mean evolution would have figured out a way to deal with death in this way.

Another thing...where are the zombies? Evolution failed here.

This all proves one thing: evolution is as fake as vampires, werewolves and zombies. Unless you can prove otherwise?

[Knightkore]

Kong_ wrote:

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Nice strawman you're beating up there!
Really? "vampires"? "werewolves"?
BTW, I believe congratulations are in order with that comment.
You just made "FSTDT" (Fundies Say The Darndest Things).
http://fstdt.com/LatestComments.aspx
It hasn't shown up yet, but please keep checking back. You could be famous!

Vampires, werewolves and zombies are just the beginning.

What about aliens that abduct people and experiment and probe them? If evolution were true we could find real evidence of alien evolution in certain human DNA that have been altered by these abductions but so far nothing. So once again evolution is an epic fail.

{By the way...thank you...I am honored. Nice to be noted for something worthy.}

[Knightkore]

Basically if you say evolution is true, vampires, werewolves and zombies MUST exist.

If you can prove evolution, then there should be proof of vampires, werewolves and zombies.

Or you can try proving the existence of vampires, werewolves and zombies and by proxy prove evolution.

Either/or is fine by me.