Speciation Proves Devolution

Speciation Proves Devolution

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#1 Jan 3, 2014
Clearly, speciation in dogs produces an undeniable and directly observable generational increase in genetic diseases, cancers, infertility and expected extinction, all due to inbreeding.


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#2 Jan 3, 2014
Shubee wrote:
Clearly, speciation in dogs produces an undeniable and directly observable generational increase in genetic diseases, cancers, infertility and expected extinction, all due to inbreeding.

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I believe you meant to say "INBREEDING" (forced PREVENTION of Natural Selection) is a leading cause of genetic health-related problems in our canine friends.

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#3 Jan 3, 2014
Shubee wrote:
Clearly, speciation in dogs produces an undeniable and directly observable generational increase in genetic diseases, cancers, infertility and expected extinction, all due to inbreeding.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =yZMegQH1SPgXX
http://everythingimportant.org/devolution
Dogs are one species. They have spent the last 15,000 to 20,000 years evolving alongside humans. This evolution includes multiplication of the amylase gene so that they can eat human food. Inbreeding from artificial selection can lead to genetic diseases, cancers, and infertility. You remove that artificial input, and return natural selection to the mix and much or all of that should disappear. You claim you have observed the extinction of dogs? Dogs are not extinct.

As you say, this is all due to inbreeding.

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#4 Jan 3, 2014
Kong_ wrote:
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I believe you meant to say "INBREEDING" (forced PREVENTION of Natural Selection) is a leading cause of genetic health-related problems in our canine friends.
Your welcome.
You beat me to it. Nicely stated.
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#5 Jan 3, 2014
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Clearly
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#6 Jan 3, 2014
Kong_ wrote:
I believe you meant to say "INBREEDING" (forced PREVENTION of Natural Selection) is a leading cause of genetic health-related problems in our canine friends.
It is assumed that speciation occurs when a limited population is forced to inbreed with itself.

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#7 Jan 3, 2014
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text> It is assumed that speciation occurs when a limited population is forced to inbreed with itself.
That is not the only way speciation can occur and your example is not one of speciation, but poor artificial selection.

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#8 Jan 3, 2014
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text> It is assumed that speciation occurs when a limited population is forced to inbreed with itself.
Well said. They only way a mutation can spread through an entire population is from inbreeding.
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That is not the only way speciation can occur and your example is not one of speciation, but poor artificial selection.
It's crazy to think that dog breeders are intentionally trying to destroy their own livelihoods. Or do you think that dogs are smarter than humans on how to pair up a limited population?

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#10 Jan 3, 2014
It is said that different species cannot interbreed with other species, with the exception of the horse and donkey but even then they produce sterile offspring as the mule. But yet in the same breathe it is said that homo species interbred with Neanderthal species(two species inter-breeding) and it shows in our DNA. Now if interbreeding only produces sterile offspring, how do we have DNA in us from inter-breeding between the Neanderthal species and other early homo species being they should not have been able to produce offspring being sterile? How does that work?

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#11 Jan 3, 2014
non-sterile offspring is what that should have said.

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#12 Jan 3, 2014
X last coment! I am confusing myself with all the cans and can not's according to science. lol

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#13 Jan 3, 2014
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text> It's crazy to think that dog breeders are intentionally trying to destroy their own livelihoods. Or do you think that dogs are smarter than humans on how to pair up a limited population?
Damn, you're stupid.

AKC purebreds are worth more money than mutts.

Dog breeders are in it for the short-term money, not for the long-term health of Canis lupus familiaris.

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#14 Jan 3, 2014
replaytime wrote:
It is said that different species cannot interbreed with other species, with the exception of the horse and donkey but even then they produce sterile offspring as the mule. But yet in the same breathe it is said that homo species interbred with Neanderthal species(two species inter-breeding) and it shows in our DNA. Now if interbreeding only produces sterile offspring, how do we have DNA in us from inter-breeding between the Neanderthal species and other early homo species being they should not have been able to produce offspring being sterile? How does that work?
Humans and Neanderthals were close enough species of hominid that we WERE able to reproduce. Horses & donkeys are relatively further apart, hence the sterile offspring (same with "Ligers" - offspring of lions and tigers, also being essentially, but not always infertile).

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#15 Jan 3, 2014
Kong_ wrote:
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Humans and Neanderthals were close enough species of hominid that we WERE able to reproduce. Horses & donkeys are relatively further apart, hence the sterile offspring (same with "Ligers" - offspring of lions and tigers, also being essentially, but not always infertile).
How many Ligers and Tigons occur in the wild naturally? Yep the % is at a 0. They are captive animals that are only aloud to breed with the other species or that are artificially bread. You keep an animal in captive long enough with their given will to breed and survive they will hump a stuffed animal to mate with if it is all they have. It is not by nature or natural.

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#16 Jan 3, 2014
bred even*

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#17 Jan 3, 2014
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text> It's crazy to think that dog breeders are intentionally trying to destroy their own livelihoods. Or do you think that dogs are smarter than humans on how to pair up a limited population?
It is all about interbreeding. You said it yourself. Dog breeders are breeding dogs with the conditions you stated now. Or are you now saying that you were lying? If you change the selection criteria and start eliminating the off types and back cross in known good germ plasm, then these problems disappear. This has been an issue with animal breeding since humans first started doing it.

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#18 Jan 3, 2014
Kong_ wrote:
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Humans and Neanderthals were close enough species of hominid that we WERE able to reproduce. Horses & donkeys are relatively further apart, hence the sterile offspring (same with "Ligers" - offspring of lions and tigers, also being essentially, but not always infertile).
This may still be up in the air, but now that we have the Neanderthal genome sequenced and we know that breeding occurred between modern humans and Neanderthals, it may be that we can be considered one species. If you consider that interbreeding and production of viable offspring satisfies the biological species concept.

There are a number of unrelated species that can interbreed, some even across family lines. It is much more common in fish as I understand it and plants can play hell with interbreeding.

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#19 Jan 3, 2014
replaytime wrote:
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How many Ligers and Tigons occur in the wild naturally? Yep the % is at a 0. They are captive animals that are only aloud to breed with the other species or that are artificially bread. You keep an animal in captive long enough with their given will to breed and survive they will hump a stuffed animal to mate with if it is all they have. It is not by nature or natural.
Ligers currently only exist in captivity because in nature the habitats of lions and tigers do not overlap. If they don't meet, they can't breed.

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#20 Jan 3, 2014
Here's some other inter-species breeding examples:

http://www.ligerliger.com/articles.php

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