A Trojan Horse for Creationism

A Trojan Horse for Creationism

There are 1536 comments on the Truthdig story from Mar 8, 2013, titled A Trojan Horse for Creationism. In it, Truthdig reports that:

I watched in shock the summer before my sophomore year of high school as my home state, Louisiana, passed a law that opened the door for the teaching of creationism.

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#1375 Mar 18, 2013
His-truth wrote:
How did blind chemistry create mind / intelligence .. meaning .. altruism and morality ?... If everything evolved .. and we invented God .. as per evolutionary teaching ... what purpose or meaning is there to human life ?... Should students be learning nihilism (life is meaningless) in science classes ?
http://creation.com/gk-chesterton-darwi ... ght-itself .. G.K. Chesterton: Darwinism is ‘An attack upon thought itself’
http://creation.com/genesis-unleashed... ... ziDQqF4FJM .. Video
This seems to be the real issue with you guys. You fear the supposed consequences of evolution, so try to attack the science.

Yet, out here in the real world, atheists and agnostics go on about their lives without turning into nihilistic monsters, drugs fiends, rapists, etc. In fact highly atheistic societies such as Scandinavia and Japan have far better statistics for health, crime, happiness and education than God-riddled societies tend to.

You cannot fathom these facts, and you cannot explain them from within your world view where non-believers are supposed to be craven sinners with no sense of repentance.

That is just the crap you have been led to believe. Take a look around - it just ain't so.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#1377 Mar 18, 2013
His-truth wrote:
ID is not a religious-based idea ..........
Don't be an idiot. Of course ID is religiously based. Judeo-Christian based, specifically. To deny this is dishonest.

Phillip E. Johnson (born June 18, 1940) is a retired UC Berkeley law professor and author. He became a born-again Christian while a tenured professor and is considered the father of the intelligent design movement.

[Phillip Johnson quotes:]

~~ "We are taking an intuition most people have (the belief in God) and making it a scientific and academic enterprise. We are removing the most important cultural roadblock to accepting the role of God as creator."

~~ "Our strategy has been to change the subject a bit so that we can get the issue of intelligent design, which really means the reality of God, before the academic world and into the schools."

~~ "This isn't really, and never has been a debate about science. It's about religion and philosophy."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phillip_E._Johns...

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#1378 Mar 18, 2013
His-truth wrote:
Living things look like they were designed .. so how do evolutionists know that they were not designed ?..
Darwin was intimately familiar with the Paley's Watch argument, and believed it himself for decades. He could recite parts of Paley's book verbatim.

"...suppose I had found a watch upon the ground, and it should be inquired how the watch happened to be in that place; ...There must have existed, at some time, and at some place or other, an artificer or artificers, who formed [the watch] for the purpose which we find it actually to answer; who comprehended its construction, and designed its use..."

William Paley, Natural Theology (1802)

Yet it was with deep understanding of this argument that Darwin discovered another means to the creation of "design-like" complexity.

You IDers seem to think you are springing something brilliant and inarguable when you make this claim for design, apparently unaware that this was dealt with head on by Darwin right from the start.

So how do we know living things were not designed? Its not quite that... The design argument simply becomes irrelevant once a natural mechanism to achieve the same thing is understood, and "we have no need of that hypothesis" to paraphrase Laplace. Do you invoke Thor to explain lightning, or do you discuss clouds, electric charges, etc?

Now we could also go into the many goofy "designs" that we see in life as an argument that if life was designed, it was designed by an idiot. But lets stop there.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#1379 Mar 18, 2013
His-truth wrote:
ID is not a religious-based idea ..........
In 2004, the distinguished philosopher Antony Flew of the University of Reading made worldwide news when he repudiated a lifelong commitment to atheism and affirmed the reality of some kind of a creator.
Flew cited evidence of intelligent design in DNA and the arguments of "American [intelligent] design theorists" as important reasons for this shift ... Since then ..
British readers have learnt about the theory of intelligent design (ID) mainly from media reports about United States court battles over the legality of teaching students about it ...
According to most reports .. ID is a "faith-based" alternative to evolution based solely on religion ... But is this accurate ?.. As one of the architects of the theory .. I know it isn't ...
Contrary to media reports .. ID is not a religious-based idea ... but an evidence-based scientific theory about life's origins ....
According to Darwinian biologists such as Oxford University's Richard Dawkins .. living systems "give the appearance of having been designed for a purpose"
.... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-v... .. continue
Was Flew's evidence as flighty as yours? what was his evidence?

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#1380 Mar 18, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Was Flew's evidence as flighty as yours? what was his evidence?
HA!

I get it!

"Flew" - "Flighty".....

Heheee....

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#1381 Mar 18, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
HA!
I get it!
"Flew" - "Flighty".....
Heheee....
it was just hanging there....
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#1382 Mar 18, 2013
His-truth wrote:
ID is not a religious-based idea ..........
You're an obvious LIAR. It's TOTALLY religion-based, and almost exclusively limited to American, Protestant fundamentalist Christian like you.
His-truth wrote:
ID is a "faith-based" alternative to evolution based solely on religion ... But is this accurate ?.. As one of the architects of the theory .. I know it isn't ...
Contrary to media reports .. ID is not a religious-based idea ... but an evidence-based scientific theory about life's origins ....
Written by Jonathan Meyer, Christian apologist and Discovery Institute professional LIAR FO JESUS.

"Gee, honest, mr. Atheist, Intelligent Design has NOTHING to do with religion. Honest!"

LOL!
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#1383 Mar 18, 2013
His-truth wrote:
Who objects when an archaeologist says that pottery points to human design ?
No one does, because we all know that human beings design and make pottery, you freaking IDIOT!
His-truth wrote:
.. Yet if someone attributes the design in living things to a designer .. that is not acceptable .... Why should science be restricted to naturalistic causes rather than logical causes ?
Because science works by the accumulation, and peer-review of EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE.

Don't just ASSERT that things are designed, ignorant JESUS FREAK, put go ahead and find empirical EVIDENCE that they are. Until you have such evidence, STFU.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#1384 Mar 18, 2013
His-truth wrote:
Scientists have found the genetic code has all of these key elements .. "The coding regions of DNA," explains Dr. Stephen Meyer .. "have exactly the same relevant properties as a computer code or language."
Stephen Meyer, Christian apologist and professional LIAR FOR JESUS. Dismissed.

See above for a number of clear posts about how DNA may be LIKE a code in some ways but is NOT a code in crucial, vitally-important ways.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#1385 Mar 18, 2013
Gillette wrote:
<quoted text>
You're an obvious LIAR. It's TOTALLY religion-based, and almost exclusively limited to American, Protestant fundamentalist Christian like you.
<quoted text>
Written by Jonathan Meyer, Christian apologist and Discovery Institute professional LIAR FO JESUS.
"Gee, honest, mr. Atheist, Intelligent Design has NOTHING to do with religion. Honest!"
LOL!
Cult members are the best liars. it is there stock and trade...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#1386 Mar 18, 2013
or their stock and trade...too close to call

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#1387 Mar 18, 2013
His-truth wrote:
so in the atheist's definition of "selection" .. it simply means ....... go
So ... where is this hypothesis of intelligent design, or in other words creationism?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#1388 Mar 18, 2013
His-truth wrote:
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.......... and then they all lived hApPY ever after
Oh hey, H-t. Still got zip? Thought so.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#1389 Mar 18, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
So ... where is this hypothesis of intelligent design, or in other words creationism?
Well, it's certainly not anywhere on page 1 when I asked him all the way back then.(shrug)

“I Am No One Else”

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#1390 Mar 18, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Well, it's certainly not anywhere on page 1 when I asked him all the way back then.(shrug)
Since you need evidence to form a hypothesis, I doubt they will ever have one for creationism. I have repeatedly asked for evidence supporting the notion and they presented none of that either.

“I'm out hunting”

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Since: Jan 10

For your mind and soul

#1391 Mar 18, 2013
His-truth wrote:
Living things look like they were designed Who objects when an archaeologist says that pottery points to human design ?.. Yet if someone attributes the design in living things to a designer .. that is not acceptable .... Video
Thee difference is that we can see a human creating a work of pottery. We have not seen a deity create life.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#1392 Mar 18, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text> Thee difference is that we can see a human creating a work of pottery. We have not seen a deity create life.
We have yet to see the teensiest shred of evidence that any diety existed ever...let alone created life.

“I'm out hunting”

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Since: Jan 10

For your mind and soul

#1393 Mar 19, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>We have yet to see the teensiest shred of evidence that any diety existed ever...let alone created life.
Exactky. In order to determine if somethings has been created we have to see it being created or at least have some tangible evidence that it was created.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#1394 Mar 19, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text>Exactky. In order to determine if somethings has been created we have to see it being created or at least have some tangible evidence that it was created.
Or a teensy shred of evidence for a creator...
Patriot

Antioch, TN

#1395 Mar 19, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Of course you do. That's because you're a True Loving Christian.
But uh, the point that your threats mean less than zip to us doesn't seem to be sinking in to you, does it?
There is no threat, no malice. Just a friendly warning, akin to me seeing you all walking into a minefield and me warning you of mines. Regardless of the warnings, you all ignore the warnings and running headlong into the mine field and me telling you I will pity you when you step on the mine.

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