A Trojan Horse for Creationism

[woodtick57]

FFS- wrote:

ID is just awesome.
The religious freaks have come to the conclusion that the biblical story makes no sense, while the evidence supporting evoloution is nearly undeniable.
Their solution...Intelligent design.
I still dont get why the religious nuts feel the need to force their beliefs on others. You can worship as you please....why cant I?

that is how cults work. and in the US, if they strayed from the public eye, they might lose thier taxpayer subsidies to their faith and they would go the way of the Egyption Sun worshippers.

[His-truth]

"natural selection"

you see folks .. this is where the atheists get real stupid ... they attempt to mix the concept of Un-unconscious un-guided .. chaotic-randomized / space and earth driven / natural forces and processes .. no design ... no intelligence
.. and the word "selection" ... inorder to "select" something .. one must first have a mind / a thought / a decision / a plan / an agenda / a conclusion and a satisfaction of that conclusion ... can a bag of lifeless dead hammers "select" anything ???... it takes intelligence to recognize intelligence ... sorry atheists ... but willful ignorance won't get you there ... and I'm sure your little box of denial is very comforting .. carry on .. http://creation.com/creation-station

[woodtick57]

His-truth wrote:

"natural selection"
you see folks .. this is where the atheists get real stupid ... they attempt to mix the concept of Un-unconscious un-guided .. chaotic-randomized / space and earth driven / natural forces and processes .. no design ... no intelligence
.. and the word "selection" ... inorder to "select" something .. one must first have a mind / a thought / a decision / a plan / an agenda / a conclusion and a satisfaction of that conclusion ... can a bag of lifeless dead hammers "select" anything ???... it takes intelligence to recognize intelligence ... sorry atheists ... but willful ignorance won't get you there ... and I'm sure your little box of denial is very comforting .. carry on .. http://creation.com/creation-station

No, thast is patently false and shows your grand misunderstand ing of a system you are trying to debunk. tough to debunk something you don't even understand, isn't it? your posts here show how impossible it is...

there is no intelligence doing the selection. ctually there is no selction going on, it is just that entities not as well adapted to their environ die off quicker, thus leaving those better adapted.

this is 7th grade level stuff. why don't you know it?

[His-truth]

"actually there is no selction going on"

oh ... but yes there is a selection process

Why is natural selection .. a principle recognized by creationists .. taught as ‘evolution’.. as if it explains the origin of the diversity of life ?... By definition it is a selective process (selecting from already existing information).. so is not a creative process .. It might explain the survival of the fittest (why certain genes benefit creatures more in certain environments).. but not the arrival of the fittest (where the genes and creatures came from in the first place)... The death of individuals not adapted to an environment and the survival of those that are suited does not explain the origin of the traits that make an organism adapted to an environment .. E.g .. how do minor back-and-forth variations in finch beaks explain the origin of beaks or finches ?... How does natural selection explain goo-to-you evolution?

http://creation.com/defining-terms .. Evolutionist Dr John Endler’s refreshing clarity about ‘natural selection’ has been largely ignored

http://creation.com/genesis-unleashed... .. Video

[Subduction Zone]

I can't wait for a video on intelligent falling.

Come on H-t, I am sure you can find one from your creatard website.

[KittenKoder]

His-truth wrote:

So what do you want to know about natural selection?.. yeah, like how's that work concerning the very first living cell ... you know .. the one that is triune ... DNA: the language of life .. like how's that just all kina "fall-together" .. no intelligent process .... in other words ... How did the DNA code originate?.. The code is a sophisticated language system with letters and words where the meaning of the words is unrelated to the chemical properties of the letters .. just as the information on this page is not a product of the chemical properties of the ink (or pixels on a screen)... What other coding system has existed without intelligent design?.. How did the DNA coding system arise without it being created?
http://creation.com/code .. The genetic information code points to an intelligent source
http://creation.com/genesis-unleashed... .. Video

So you're only here to spam and advertise your website. That makes you a spammer.

[woodtick57]

His-truth wrote:

"actually there is no selction going on"
oh ... but yes there is a selection process
Why is natural selection .. a principle recognized by creationists .. taught as ‘evolution’.. as if it explains the origin of the diversity of life ?... By definition it is a selective process (selecting from already existing information).. so is not a creative process .. It might explain the survival of the fittest (why certain genes benefit creatures more in certain environments).. but not the arrival of the fittest (where the genes and creatures came from in the first place)... The death of individuals not adapted to an environment and the survival of those that are suited does not explain the origin of the traits that make an organism adapted to an environment .. E.g .. how do minor back-and-forth variations in finch beaks explain the origin of beaks or finches ?... How does natural selection explain goo-to-you evolution?
http://creation.com/defining-terms .. Evolutionist Dr John Endler’s refreshing clarity about ‘natural selection’ has been largely ignored
http://creation.com/genesis-unleashed... .. Video

if you can't figure that out, you are really not up to this level of discussion. perhaps you should find a chat room about angels and fairies and stuff.

the bird able to crack open seeds would be able to survive better.

again, no selection going on, just nature...

[His-truth]

yes indeed ... a bird able and "deciding" to crack open seeds would be able to survive better

........ http://creation.com/creation-station

[KittenKoder]

His-truth wrote:

yes indeed ... a bird able and "deciding" to crack open seeds would be able to survive better
........ http://creation.com/creation-station

So, when will you stop advertising your website?

[His-truth]

atheist "logic":.. selection does not mean selection .. it means ...

[woodtick57]

His-truth wrote:

yes indeed ... a bird able and "deciding" to crack open seeds would be able to survive better
........ http://creation.com/creation-station

no, but one having that beak would be. animals do not decide what they are born with.

you really aren't up for this level of discussion are you?

is that your dad's photo you're using?

[woodtick57]

His-truth wrote:

atheist "logic":.. selection does not mean selection .. it means ...

it mens a concept beyond your understanding, even though it has been laid out for you fact by fact.
Or will be when you get to high school.

[FFS-]

His-truth wrote:

atheist "logic":.. selection does not mean selection .. it means ...

You tend to go on long rants that are completely irrellevant to the conversation.

Everyone is entitled to their beliefs, including you and me. The ACTUAL TOPIC of this thread is the attempt to sneak ID into the schools. Its an attempt by religious groups to teach religion in PUBLIC schools.

ID would not be a science class by its very name "Intelligent Design". You simply cant get around the god part of that.

I dont care what your beliefs are, but they DO NOT BELONG IN PUBLIC SCHOOL. There is no curriculum ID can be taught under.

If you want religion, go to church!

[His-truth]

so in the atheist's definition of "selection" .. it simply means ....... go

[His-truth]

FFS- wrote:

You tend to go on long rants that are completely irrellevant to the conversation everyone is entitled to their beliefs including you and me the ACTUAL TOPIC of this thread is the attempt to sneak ID into the schools its an attempt by religious groups to teach religion in PUBLIC schools ID would not be a science class by its very name Intelligent Design you simply cant get around the god part of that I dont care what your beliefs are but they DO NOT BELONG IN PUBLIC SCHOOL There is no curriculum ID can be taught under If you want religion go to church

blah blah .......

Frequently described as “the Cambrian Explosion,” the development of these new animal types required a massive increase in genetic information.“The big question that the Cambrian Explosion poses is where does all that new information come from?” says Dr. Stephen Meyer, a featured expert in the documentary and author of the book Signature in the Cell: DNA and the Evidence for Intelligent Design. Growing evidence suggests that the creation of novel genetic information requires intelligence, and thus the burst of genetic information during the Cambrian Explosion provides convincing evidence that animal life is the product of intelligent design rather than a blind undirected process like natural selection ... http://www.darwinsdilemma.org/ .. continue

[woodtick57]

His-truth wrote:

so in the atheist's definition of "selection" .. it simply means ....... go

in terms of natural selection, as stated, as concept you do not get.

so in a religious cult members' definition of their god proven to be a myth, that means what? go...

[His-truth]

selection does not mean selection ??

so in the atheist's definition of "selection" .. it simply means .......

[His-truth]

woodtick57 wrote:

In terms of natural "selection" .. as stated

please clarify .. before, you did not explain

[FFS-]

His-truth wrote:

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blah blah .......
Frequently described as “the Cambrian Explosion,” the development of these new animal types required a massive increase in genetic information.“The big question that the Cambrian Explosion poses is where does all that new information come from?” says Dr. Stephen Meyer, a featured expert in the documentary and author of the book Signature in the Cell: DNA and the Evidence for Intelligent Design. Growing evidence suggests that the creation of novel genetic information requires intelligence, and thus the burst of genetic information during the Cambrian Explosion provides convincing evidence that animal life is the product of intelligent design rather than a blind undirected process like natural selection ... http://www.darwinsdilemma.org/ .. continue

When did Christians become so cowardly?

I dont think God is proud of cowards like yourself.

So your answer is Turly as weak as "blah blah"....seriously?

You either understand that you cannot hold that conversation, or you are simply not bright enough.

I pity you for your cowardice!

[Subduction Zone]

His-truth wrote:

selection does not mean selection ??
so in the atheist's definition of "selection" .. it simply means .......

Natural selection describes how some animals are more apt to pass on their genes than others. So that does not necessarily mean the biggest and strongest. There are times when bigger and stronger means the animal must east more food to survive and in hard times it may be the smaller critter that is more "fit" for that particular environment. Smallness may be selected for if the big strong versions die of hunger before they mate.