The problem of evil and hate

The problem of evil and hate

There are 386 comments on the The Gleaner story from Oct 20, 2013, titled The problem of evil and hate. In it, The Gleaner reports that:

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent.

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“you must not give faith”

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Since: Jul 12

Nottingham, UK

#1 Oct 20, 2013
"The number-one reason most thinking - and even non-thinking - atheists have rejected God is not because of science but because of the problem of evil." Did you poll them? If not then I can safely say that this statement is a straw man.

"The na´ve view of some that Darwinian evolutionary theory has displaced God is mere wishful thinking. Darwinian naturalistic theories are challenged regularly, including by atheistic scientists themselves." The means not the fact, I am seeing a pattern here made of straw already.

"And very able and highly credentialed Christian scientists have brought very compelling arguments against Darwinian naturalism." What, you mean the people who say that evolution is "just a theory" without even knowing what the word theory means. The people who call evolution by "natural selection" random! Those people! I no longer see the pattern I can feel it in the higher plane.

I don't think I need go on reading there is so much B.S. here my spiritual powers have been awakened! I didn't even know I had any...

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Since: Dec 08

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#2 Oct 22, 2013
As Professor Anthony Flew said, the scientific evidence suggests a great uncaused cause.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#3 Oct 23, 2013
bohart wrote:
As Professor Anthony Flew said, the scientific evidence suggests a great uncaused cause.
No, Flew was a philosopher who went from atheist to theist before he passed on. An uncaused event does not necessarily require a God, but Flew claimed otherwise. From then on he was quoted by fundies as if his baseless religious opinions were relevant, as if it was like the Pope becoming an atheist. Unfortunately he never presented scientific evidence of his claims, and science, as ever, remains unaffected by philosophical opinions.

Since: Jun 07

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#4 Oct 25, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
No, Flew was a philosopher who went from atheist to theist before he passed on. An uncaused event does not necessarily require a God, but Flew claimed otherwise. From then on he was quoted by fundies as if his baseless religious opinions were relevant, as if it was like the Pope becoming an atheist. Unfortunately he never presented scientific evidence of his claims, and science, as ever, remains unaffected by philosophical opinions.
The burden of proof lies upon theist and not atheists, stupid. How many times does this have to be drilling to you? you agnostic troll.
True Christian witness

Bartlesville, OK

#5 Oct 25, 2013
No, the burden of proof is on the Atheist to prove there is no God, a creator and designer of all life and purpose.
Even the Atheist has to use the bathroom.

Even the Atheist gets the advantage of sunshine and rain, and he can attain happiness and wealth, and benefit from love among created mankind, because Almighty God Jehovah is a loving and happy God and wants his earthly children to be happy, whether they love Him or not.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#6 Oct 25, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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The burden of proof lies upon theist and not atheists, stupid. How many times does this have to be drilling to you? you agnostic troll.
Your post has nothing to do with mine as I was pointing out Flew was basically talking out of his backside. Of course I don't need you to point out anything to me since it's always me pointing it out to you - the burden of proof lies upon anyone who makes the positive claim, doesn't matter what their philosophical or theological opinions are or whether they are a theist or an atheist.

In this case, Flew was making the positive claim he couldn't back up. In your case you have decided to follow me and bring the argument you lost two years ago here, in which case you have to provide us with the scientific test you performed that was able to falsify a non-falsifiable non-scientific concept. Which I think would be rather clever.

Pity you're not.(shrug)
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#7 Oct 25, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
No, the burden of proof is on the Atheist to prove there is no God, a creator and designer of all life and purpose.
Even the Atheist has to use the bathroom.
Since Skippy has made the positive claim that he has falsified the concept, then yes, he has to provide evidence that he has been able to do so.

Everyone else however just needs to simply point out that there is no scientific evidence and therefore no reason to presume such an entity exists in the first place.
True Christian witness wrote:
Even the Atheist gets the advantage of sunshine and rain, and he can attain happiness and wealth, and benefit from love among created mankind, because Almighty God Jehovah is a loving and happy God and wants his earthly children to be happy, whether they love Him or not.
And this is now YOUR positive claim. Therefore you now have to back this up with objectively verifiable scientific evidence that passes the scientific method.

I could save you some time and point out that just like Skippy the 'Skeptic', you won't.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#8 Oct 25, 2013
Heh. Two fundies on opposite sides on one thread. All Dude needs now is popcorn.

(Dude gets comfy and ready to watch the show)

“you must not give faith”

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Since: Jul 12

Nottingham, UK

#9 Oct 25, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
No, the burden of proof is on the Atheist to prove there is no God, a creator and designer of all life and purpose.
Even the Atheist has to use the bathroom.
Even the Atheist gets the advantage of sunshine and rain, and he can attain happiness and wealth, and benefit from love among created mankind, because Almighty God Jehovah is a loving and happy God and wants his earthly children to be happy, whether they love Him or not.
"No, the burden of proof is on the Atheist to prove there is no God, a creator and designer of all life and purpose." As someone who happily accepts the I know that to know what is the wrong answer does not require the knowledge of the right answer. Without a calculator one does not know the right answer to 32766784567 times 784372625741, but one does know it is not 5, and such can be the same for God.

Now seeing as you ask for disprove of God here it is. Is it not the case that to be infallible is to always be right in all areas of knowledge? This most obviously yes, as if a infallible being is not always right in all areas then it can be wrong due to a gap in it's knowledge. Does God have free will? That is what you claim as if God was not free then it would be subject to a even higher power which you say cannot be the case. Is God infallible? That is what you also claim but if it is infallible because it is always right in all areas it cannot be free. This is because freedom needs uncertainty, and uncertainty results in fallibility. So your God has two conflicting traits, infallibility and freedom. Thus your God is logically incoherent and so cannot exist by definition.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#10 Oct 25, 2013
When the Messiah comes, "the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea". Everybody alive on earth will know the Lord and fulfilled prophecy will be proven. Everybody will convert to Christianity or the Truth. It will be the wicked against the righteous. There will be three judgments by fire. First the enemies of God, then the wicked, then the Christians. Biblical prophecy basically ends with the resurrection on the Mount of Olives. "In that day shall there be one Lord and his name one".

Since: Jun 07

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#11 Oct 25, 2013
susanblange wrote:
When the Messiah comes, "the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea". Everybody alive on earth will know the Lord and fulfilled prophecy will be proven. Everybody will convert to Christianity or the Truth. It will be the wicked against the righteous. There will be three judgments by fire. First the enemies of God, then the wicked, then the Christians. Biblical prophecy basically ends with the resurrection on the Mount of Olives. "In that day shall there be one Lord and his name one".
Worthless religious babbling, this is the atheism forum, please take your faith based mental illness elsewhere.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#12 Oct 25, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
No, the burden of proof is on the Atheist to prove there is no God, a creator and designer of all life and purpose.
Even the Atheist has to use the bathroom.
Even the Atheist gets the advantage of sunshine and rain, and he can attain happiness and wealth, and benefit from love among created mankind, because Almighty God Jehovah is a loving and happy God and wants his earthly children to be happy, whether they love Him or not.
There are people who believe that the goddess Kali is real. I do not believe that is true.
There are people who believe that the god Odin is real. I do not believe that is true.
There are people who believe that the god Loki is real. I do not believe that is true.
There are people who believe that the god Magni is real. I do not believe that is true.
There are people who believe that the god Morrigan is real. I do not believe that is true.
There are people who believe that the god Akuma is real. I do not believe that is true.
There are people who believe that the god Baldur is real. I do not believe that is true.
There are people who believe that the god Raven is real. I do not believe that is true.
There are people who believe that the god Shango is real. I do not believe that is true.
There are people who believe that the god Fenrir is real. I do not believe that is true.
There are people who believe that the goddess Pele is real. I do not believe that is true.
but if I understand you correctly, they all are real, until I prove they are not, right?
Because clearly it is my not believing in them, that makes it my responsibility to show that they do not exist?

Ok.

Did I get that right? You got a jar of dirt, and I have to prove you do. You got a god, and I have to prove you do? Why, because you show or no one has ever shown any evidence of any god, so logically seeing no gods, I do not believe you.

Like pixies, gods, gremlins, trolls and leprechauns, all exist too. So I am going to show you an empty space where there are none of these non-existent things, and tell me if you see any of them in that space >>>> <<<<. I don't see them either, but since you believe in them shouldn't you be the one to prove they are real?

Even the Atheist has to use the bathroom? What a dimwit thing for you to say.

Like Yahweh/Jehovah/Allah etc. exists because food moves through the human digestive system.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#13 Oct 25, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
No, the burden of proof is on the Atheist to prove there is no God, a creator and designer of all life and purpose.
Even the Atheist has to use the bathroom.
Even the Atheist gets the advantage of sunshine and rain, and he can attain happiness and wealth, and benefit from love among created mankind, because Almighty God Jehovah is a loving and happy God and wants his earthly children to be happy, whether they love Him or not.
the bible itself proves the god of the abrahamic cult is false.

as do the myths of all the other religious cults.

otside of that, there is no evidence at all, not even a teensy shred, of any god, gods or goddesses. not one shred...

“What U Don't Know U Fear”

Level 5

Since: Mar 13

What U Fear U Will Never Know

#14 Oct 25, 2013
There is no problem with evil, hate, sadness, love, caring, ridicule, etc etc. It is all intelligence. Just ask tick he will tell you all about it. LOL

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#15 Oct 26, 2013
replaytime wrote:
There is no problem with evil, hate, sadness, love, caring, ridicule, etc etc. It is all intelligence. Just ask tick he will tell you all about it. LOL
Go away creationist coward with no proof of god, your cult is as good as finished thanks to your own followers behavior in this forum.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#16 Oct 26, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>the bible itself proves the god of the abrahamic cult is false.
as do the myths of all the other religious cults.
otside of that, there is no evidence at all, not even a teensy shred, of any god, gods or goddesses. not one shred...
A lot of the bible has already been fulfilled by the real Messiah. It's a living book and the words leap off the page. The bible proves the Messiah, and the Messiah proves the bible. Blessed are all of those who have hoped and waited for him. We are living in the latter years of this present earth age and the Messiah could come at any moment.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#17 Oct 26, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>A lot of the bible has already been fulfilled by the real Messiah. It's a living book and the words leap off the page. The bible proves the Messiah, and the Messiah proves the bible. Blessed are all of those who have hoped and waited for him. We are living in the latter years of this present earth age and the Messiah could come at any moment.
Worthless disproven cult tripe.

“I'm out hunting”

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Since: Jan 10

For your mind and soul

#18 Oct 27, 2013
The bible says that God created both good and evil.

“What U Don't Know U Fear”

Level 5

Since: Mar 13

What U Fear U Will Never Know

#19 Oct 27, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
The bible says that God created both good and evil.
Evil and Good would have and will exist with or with out God. Both are human nature.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#20 Oct 28, 2013
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>
Evil and Good would have and will exist with or with out God. Both are human nature.
And Gods.

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