Who think of yourself as a descendant...

Who think of yourself as a descendant of a monkey?

Created by Divine Alien on Oct 13, 2008

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#63 Oct 16, 2008
Erasmus wrote:
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I already know who creates lightning. It's thunderclouds. If you think something else is responsible please provide evidence.
The fact of the matter is that one can describe the production of lightning without ever invoking the supernatural.
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So your belief in your god is due to a lack of imagination?
You are 100% CORRECT. THAT IS UP TO WHERE YOUr LEVEL OF THINKING HAD REACHED.
What is the cloud made of? What is a thunder made of? How can it happen?

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#64 Oct 16, 2008
Erasmus wrote:
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However, given the evidence it is quite clear that chimps and humans share a common ancestor. The ERV evidence is just the tip of the iceberg. The differences seen between chimps and humans is due to the 5%(counting indels) difference in our DNA.
Just coz of a small difference, one thinks that it can make a chimp turning into a human. Just coz of this, one will see a human turning into an alien.

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#65 Oct 16, 2008
Bluenose wrote:
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Gods have nothing to do with cloud formation leading to lightning.
Firstly clouds form when the temperature in the atmosphere is below the dew point, which is determined by the local temperature, pressure and relative humidity at the point in question. Nothing miraculous, just basic meteorology (oh, and physics).
If the atmosphere is unstable, that is the temperature gradient is such that the actual atmosphere cools more rapidly with altitude than the adiabatic cooling rate (an application of Boyle's law), then any slight tendancy for air to rise will lead to upwards currents of air, because when this happens, the air cools at the adiabatic cooling rate and then is warmer than the new surrounding air. Warm air is less dense than cool air (that's why hot air balloons work) so the newly elevated packet of air keeps rising until it reaches an altitude at which it is at the same temperature as the surrounding air. This altitude will be dependent on the amount of instability, the amount of mixing with the surrounding air (perhaps due to wind etc) and so on, but in the most extreme case it will be in the stratosphere at altitudes of between 20,000 feet and sometimes up to 40, 50 or even 60,000 feet (generally it is higher in the tropics). Typical causes of rising air (triggers) are wind blowing over mountains, cold fronts and hot spots on the ground caused by differential ground heating from the sun.
Now, if the original packet of air contained sufficient moisture that at some point in the upwards movement it cools to the below the dew point, clouds will form. This type of cloud is called cumulous or cumuloform. If the cloud forms in air sufficiently unstable that the updraft continues to the stratosphere then the cloud is called cumulonimbus, the familiar thunder cloud, often with a characteristic anvil shaped top caused by high altitude winds.
Inside a cumulonimbus cloud the updrafts and associated downdrafts (the air the rises to the top cools sufficiently that it then falls through the atmosphere causing a strong downdrafts in this type of cloud) can be very violent and the friction between the various air currents give rise to static electricity (just like when you rub wool over a plastic stick and can pick up small pieces of paper with it). Eventually this static electricity builds up to the point that it discharges (causes a spark) which we observe as lightning.
None of this requires any divine intervention. It happens for simple reasons that anyone with half a brain can understand if it is explained to them. I await with bated breath to find out whether you possess half a brain.
Tell this stupid Orang Utan honestly, what is a cloud made of and how did it come into being.

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#66 Oct 16, 2008
Divine Alien wrote:
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You are 100% CORRECT. THAT IS UP TO WHERE YOUr LEVEL OF THINKING HAD REACHED.
What is the cloud made of? What is a thunder made of? How can it happen?
Divine Alien wrote:
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Tell this stupid Orang Utan honestly, what is a cloud made of and how did it come into being.
Are you really trying to tell me you don't know the answer to these questions? I recall learning about cloud formation and thunder in 2nd and 3rd grade.

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#67 Oct 16, 2008
I just want to know how you answer it coz I have different answers from the one I have learned in my schools or at the end of my school education.
The Dude

UK

#68 Oct 16, 2008
Divine Alien wrote:
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Anyway, I don't want to think like you do. If you think your ancestors share the same root with the chimp, well as you please. After all, you will not witness your descendants becoming another funny looking creatures in another millions of years to come.
Nice to see you're being open-minded.

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#69 Oct 16, 2008
Divine Alien wrote:
What is a thunder made of?
That's when God bowls a strike, right?

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#70 Oct 16, 2008
Bluenose wrote:
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Well, I got "tendency" and "cumuliform" wrong (damn Topix's lack of an edit feature), but apart from that all my spellings are correct. Of course you do know that US spellings are not considered universally correct, don't you? Remember who invented the language! ;)
Anyway, you are correct that this was an off the cuff explanation and I know that in some areas there is more to it than what I have said, for example I did not discuss condensation nuclei, however, I was trying to convey a general explanation that could be understood by people not familiar with the mechanics of meteorological phenomena. In the context of the discussion here, I think it is accurate enough for the purpose.
I would be happy to discuss this topic further, but I think it is not really germain to this forum.
Yes, you're right and I shouldn't have said anything, but I'm always concerned (maybe obsessed) that some young person will get bad science info from topix and reference it forever, or something. Your post isn't in that category, I was drinking wine at the time and I misread some of your sentences..

We think in terms of moist adiabatic and dry adiabatic lapse rates, so I was trying to understand the following, and as I read it again it's not wrong;

then any slight tendancy for air to rise will lead to upwards currents of air, because when this happens, the air cools at the adiabatic cooling rate and then is warmer than the new surrounding air

I've never thought about air cooling BELOW the dew point under tropospheric conditions, but surely it happens.. It's not a forecast parameter.

Downdrafts are caused by temperature differences partly, but other mechanisms dominate. Like you say it's more complicated than that.

New research indicates that lightning requires deep sky cosmic ray input, fascinating stuff.

Gotta run, thanks again for your take.

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#71 Oct 16, 2008
llDayo wrote:
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That's when God bowls a strike, right?
You see, how ignorant you are.
The Dude

London, UK

#72 Oct 16, 2008
Divine Alien wrote:
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You see, how ignorant you are.
Hmmm, much irony I sense. This boy was our last hope...

(Okay, mebbe not)

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#73 Oct 16, 2008
Yeah, I am. Stop your stupidity and accept Jesus as your savior so that you can stop your monkey business here.

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#74 Oct 16, 2008
Divine Alien wrote:
Yeah, I am. Stop your stupidity and accept Jesus as your savior so that you can stop your monkey business here.
That's blasphemous, because only God saves.

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#75 Oct 16, 2008
I don't claim myself a savior, jerb1, but to answer this boy positively so that he would know how silly he is.

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#76 Oct 16, 2008
Bluenose wrote:
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None of this requires any divine intervention. It happens for simple reasons that anyone with half a brain can understand if it is explained to them. I await with bated breath to find out whether you possess half a brain.
Divine Alien wrote:
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Tell this stupid Orang Utan honestly, what is a cloud made of and how did it come into being.
I guess you don't have half a brain after all.

--Sigh-- Repeating myself:
Bluenose wrote:
Firstly clouds form when the temperature in the atmosphere is below the dew point, which is determined by the local temperature, pressure and relative humidity at the point in question. Nothing miraculous, just basic meteorology (oh, and physics).
I guess I'll have to spell it out. The clouds are made of tiny droplets of water that have condensed from the water vapour in the air. They are so small that they remain suspended in the air. If anough droplets "bump together" coalescing into larger drops, it becomes rain and they no longer remain suspended.

For the cloud to form, you need two things:
1. Air that is below the dew point (see above), and;
2.Condensation nuclei for the water droplets to condense on.

Nothing mysteriouos at all, clouds are just water.

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#77 Oct 16, 2008
You are partly correct, Bluenose.
You must remember that a water particle(molecule) consists of 2 hydrogen atoms and 1 oxygen atom. The atom contains some form of energy to bind together. You cannot see it as a single molecule even using a microscope that we use to see the germs. A single water molecule is so light that it can rise in the air without the aid of the wind or heat. But if there is wind or heat, it receives additional energy to speed up to reach heaven. In a cloud, these molecules are rubbing against each other and produce electrostatic charge that may try to escape to the earth with tremendous energy that it creates the burning track as lightning and thereby creating a vacuum. When the air rush and collide to fill back the vacuum, a thundering sound is heard.
You must remember, the hydrogen and oxygen atoms were created from energy by God.

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#78 Oct 16, 2008
Divine Alien wrote:
You are partly correct, Bluenose.
You must remember that a water particle(molecule) consists of 2 hydrogen atoms and 1 oxygen atom. The atom contains some form of energy to bind together. You cannot see it as a single molecule even using a microscope that we use to see the germs. A single water molecule is so light that it can rise in the air without the aid of the wind or heat. But if there is wind or heat, it receives additional energy to speed up to reach heaven. In a cloud, these molecules are rubbing against each other and produce electrostatic charge that may try to escape to the earth with tremendous energy that it creates the burning track as lightning and thereby creating a vacuum. When the air rush and collide to fill back the vacuum, a thundering sound is heard.
You must remember, the hydrogen and oxygen atoms were created from energy by God.
Do you have any evidence that they were created by "God" and not by "Tiamat"? Or "Coyote"? Or Zeus and the Pantheon? Or by the "Cosmic Cow"?

Going with your assumption that there is a magical being responsible for it all, you have no valid reason to believe that it's the Jewish God over any other deity.

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#79 Oct 16, 2008
Nuggin wrote:
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Do you have any evidence that they were created by "God" and not by "Tiamat"? Or "Coyote"? Or Zeus and the Pantheon? Or by the "Cosmic Cow"?
Going with your assumption that there is a magical being responsible for it all, you have no valid reason to believe that it's the Jewish God over any other deity.
Heard it from a reliable source that Thor created lightning and thunder. Another Beer bartender.

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#80 Oct 16, 2008
Nuggin wrote:
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Do you have any evidence that they were created by "God" and not by "Tiamat"? Or "Coyote"? Or Zeus and the Pantheon? Or by the "Cosmic Cow"?
Going with your assumption that there is a magical being responsible for it all, you have no valid reason to believe that it's the Jewish God over any other deity.
Whom do you think had created the hydrogen and oxygen atoms that are invisible even to a microscope that we use to view a germ?

If it was your god, your are correct coz I also think it is God who did it. Both your god and my God are referred to ONE entity whom we refer to as CREATOR. If it was not created by God, then that kind of person having such thought is crazy.

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Melbourne, Australia

#81 Oct 17, 2008
Divine Alien wrote:
You are partly correct, Bluenose.
You must remember that a water particle(molecule) consists of 2 hydrogen atoms and 1 oxygen atom. The atom contains some form of energy to bind together. You cannot see it as a single molecule even using a microscope that we use to see the germs. A single water molecule is so light that it can rise in the air without the aid of the wind or heat. But if there is wind or heat, it receives additional energy to speed up to reach heaven. In a cloud, these molecules are rubbing against each other and produce electrostatic charge that may try to escape to the earth with tremendous energy that it creates the burning track as lightning and thereby creating a vacuum. When the air rush and collide to fill back the vacuum, a thundering sound is heard.
You must remember, the hydrogen and oxygen atoms were created from energy by God.
BZZZZTTTT! Wrong!

Not only do you not understand evolution, but you clearly do not understand basic chemistry (including co-valent bonding), meteorology and atmospheric physiscs. No boubt you don't understand much about any field of science at all.

Who'd have thought?

Please go away and get yourself an education, then you won't look like such an ignorant drop-kick when you come back to post here.

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#82 Oct 17, 2008
Divine Alien wrote:
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Whom do you think had created the hydrogen and oxygen atoms that are invisible even to a microscope that we use to view a germ?
If it was your god, your are correct coz I also think it is God who did it. Both your god and my God are referred to ONE entity whom we refer to as CREATOR. If it was not created by God, then that kind of person having such thought is crazy.
Of course you cannot see a water molecule with an optical microscope, they are smaller than the wavelengths of visible light, you idiot!

Also, please provide some actual objective evidence that hydrogen and oxygen atoms were created by any entity at all. Until and unless you can do that (I won't hold my breath waiting) there is not only no need but there is absolutely no point in discussing who or what that creator may have been.

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