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Celebrated preacher blames Colorado massacre on the teaching of evolution in schools

There are 32 comments on the Steuben Courier story from Jul 23, 2012, titled Celebrated preacher blames Colorado massacre on the teaching of evolution in schools. In it, Steuben Courier reports that:

Rick Warren's tweet of last Friday is reminiscent of then-Rep. Tom DeLay's argument of 13 years ago that tragedies like the shootings at Columbine High School happen "because our school systems teach the children that they are nothing but glorified apes who are evolutionized [ sic ] out of some primordial soup."

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“Transitional Molecular Fossils”

Since: Dec 06

Somewhere in Penn's Woods

#1 Jul 23, 2012
Oh good grief, this is reminiscent of Pat Robertson telling the residents of Dover:

"I’d like to say to the good citizens of Dover. If there is a disaster in your area, don’t turn to God, you just rejected Him from your city. And don’t wonder why He hasn’t helped you when problems begin, if they begin. I’m not saying they will, but if they do, just remember, you just voted God out of your city. And if that’s the case, don’t ask for His help because he might not be there."

Wake up Rick Warren, place the blame where it is due, on someone that developed schizophrenia and slipped through the very wide cracks of poor access to mental health care. Place secondary blame on the omnipotent NRA, not teaching evolution in the classroom. Please. Stop. You are just embarrassing yourself Warren.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#2 Jul 23, 2012
And pass up such a perfect political opportunity provided by the deaths of others due to a man of questionable judgement?

Can't say I've heard of the guy, but it's funny that Warren is apparently considered "moderate by most". Arguing for religion in public schools in place of evolution? Right. So just another fundie reality-denying creo then.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#3 Jul 23, 2012
....and THIS from "Christian Post":

http://global.christianpost.com/news/james-ho...

<<start cut/paste>>

James Holmes, Colorado Shooter, Described as 'Normal' Christian Boy Amid Mental Health Investigation (PHOTO)

Fri, Jul. 20, 2012 Posted: 02:34 PM EDT

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James Eagan Holmes has been described as a shy and well-mannered young man by a neighbor, who claims the Colorado shooting suspect was heavily involved in his local Presbyterian church.

Holmes, who is currently in police custody following his arrest over the deadly shooting, was reportedly a "normal kid" despite growing speculation that he may suffer from mental health issues, according to The Los Angeles Times.

"He seemed to be a normal kid, I don't know what triggered it. This makes me very sad," Tom Mai, a retired electrical engineer, told The Times.

"I saw him as a normal guy, an everyday guy, doing every day things," said Mai's 16-year-old son, Anthony.

Holmes, 24, is expected to undergo a mental health evaluation while in custody and the results could potentially offer new information regarding his motives for the tragic shooting.

Holmes entered an Aurora, Colorado, movie theater during a midnight premiere screening of "The Dark Knight Rises" on Friday and set off canisters containing an unknown gas before firing into the packed crowd.

The shooting killed at least 12 people, including a 3-month-old baby, and left approximately 59 others injured.

While police continue to investigate what prompted Holmes' deadly rampage, critics flocked to social networking site Twitter where many questioned his mental health.

"Not that it makes what he did right, or any better, but if James Holmes has a mental disorder then I feel for him.#AuroraShootings," Julie Thompson tweeted.

"I Saw His Picture & James Holmes Looks Like He Needs To Be Put In A Mental Institution. There's Has To Be A Reason Why He Did The Shooting," Jackie tweeted.

"As a society, we collectively fail people like James Holmes every day. Our prisons are full of criminals who need mental healthcare," Shane Morris posted on the social website.

Several witnesses described the chaotic scene at the multiplex theater at a local mall shortly after the shooting occurred, and many described being overcome by noxious gas unleashed by Holmes.

Others said that they had to decide between staying on the ground, helping wounded victims or running for their lives before Holmes could reload his weapon.

One witness, Shayla Roeder, recounted the moment that she saw a young teenage girl lying on the ground and bleeding outside of the theater.

"She just had this horrible look in her eyes ... We made eye contact and I could tell she was not all right," Roeder said.

Holmes reportedly went to high school in San Diego before attending the University of Colorado at Denver, where he studied neuroscience.

He is expected to make his first appearance in court on Monday, although his charges have not been confirmed.

Benge Nsenduluka
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“Dinosaurs survived the flood!”

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Since: Jan 11

Jesus probably rode dinosaurs!

#4 Jul 23, 2012
Fundamenalist hate science.

Isn't this the pastor that wrote "The Purpose Driven Life?" I guess it is about that time to start looking for attention again.
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#5 Jul 23, 2012
Katydid wrote:
Celebrated preacher blames Colorado massacre on the teaching of evolution in schools
That's not exactly correct. But there is a sentiment in the world that encourages belief in the primacy of individual desires over the well-being of others.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#6 Jul 24, 2012
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>That's not exactly correct. But there is a sentiment in the world that encourages belief in the primacy of individual desires over the well-being of others.
I.e. fundamentalism.

By the way, you got questions waiting for ya on the other thread, Shoob.

“Maccullochella macquariensis”

Since: May 08

Melbourne, Australia

#7 Jul 24, 2012
Katydid wrote:
Oh good grief, this is reminiscent of Pat Robertson telling the residents of Dover:
"I’d like to say to the good citizens of Dover. If there is a disaster in your area, don’t turn to God, you just rejected Him from your city. And don’t wonder why He hasn’t helped you when problems begin, if they begin. I’m not saying they will, but if they do, just remember, you just voted God out of your city. And if that’s the case, don’t ask for His help because he might not be there."
Wake up Rick Warren, place the blame where it is due, on someone that developed schizophrenia and slipped through the very wide cracks of poor access to mental health care. Place secondary blame on the omnipotent NRA, not teaching evolution in the classroom. Please. Stop. You are just embarrassing yourself Warren.
Well said Katy.

This event is terribly sad and I would prefer to refrain from passing judgement until all the facts are in. Nevertheless, to me it seems likely that there are two questions that need to be addressed:

How does the mental health system deal with disturbed people and is mental health care readily available to those in need?

How can the gun culture in the USA be wound back?

NBeither of these are going to be easy tasks, but they are essential, methinks.

As for Rick Warren's comment they are simply beyond the pale of civilised debate. I am a strong believer in free speech, but this sort of hate speech needs to be opposed in the strongets possible way. Every time some idiot makes these sort of offensive comments they need to be exposed as the ignorant bigotted fools that they are.

“Maccullochella macquariensis”

Since: May 08

Melbourne, Australia

#8 Jul 24, 2012
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
I.e. fundamentalism.
By the way, you got questions waiting for ya on the other thread, Shoob.
Don't hold your breath waiting for him to reply, Dude...
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#9 Jul 24, 2012
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
I.e. fundamentalism.
That's quite a nonsensical definition you got there. Where did you get it?
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#10 Jul 24, 2012
Shubee wrote:
There is a sentiment in the world that encourages belief in the primacy of individual desires over the well-being of others.
I call it the first demon's message.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#11 Jul 24, 2012
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>That's quite a nonsensical definition you got there. Where did you get it?
You.

By the way, you still got questions on the other thread.
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#12 Jul 24, 2012
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
You.
If fundamentalism is the belief in the first demon's message, then aren't you a fundamentalist? Let's face it. Everyone that has no fear of God, like the shooter in the Colorado massacre, is a fundamentalist. And you certainly have no fear of God.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#13 Jul 24, 2012
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>If fundamentalism is the belief in the first demon's message, then aren't you a fundamentalist? Let's face it. Everyone that has no fear of God, like the shooter in the Colorado massacre, is a fundamentalist. And you certainly have no fear of God.
Except that you have no evidence that James Holmes WASNT a god-fearing Christian. It has been pointed out that he regularly attended a local church. YOU can only speculate as to the depth of his faith in God.

http://global.christianpost.com/news/james-ho ...

"James Holmes, Colorado Shooter, Described as 'Normal' Christian Boy Amid Mental Health Investigation"
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#14 Jul 24, 2012
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Except that you have no evidence that James Holmes WASNT a god-fearing Christian. It has been pointed out that he regularly attended a local church. YOU can only speculate as to the depth of his faith in God.

"James Holmes, Colorado Shooter, Described as 'Normal' Christian Boy Amid Mental Health Investigation"
I have evidence that you are absolutely clueless on the meaning of fearing God.

Ecclesiastes 8:12
Although a wicked person who commits a hundred crimes may live a long time, I know that it will go better with those who fear God, who are reverent before him.

Ecclesiastes 12:13
Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the duty of all mankind.

There are all sorts of psychopaths that profess faith in Jesus but have no fear of God. In fact, many Christians teach that merely believing in Jesus is a license to sin with impunity. And mainstream Churchianity peacefully coexists with that widespread heresy and can't even imagine protesting against it.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#15 Jul 24, 2012
Oh Lord, we pray for the irony meters...
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#16 Jul 24, 2012
Dude,

You're evading the questions put to you in post #12. Isn't it true that you have no fear of God?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#17 Jul 24, 2012
Shoob, you're evading questions I asked you days ago. You're evading questions people asked you months ago. You're evading questions people asked you years ago. You run away every single time, leaving us with nothing but your repeated spammed links to your crank site.

You are free at any time to stop being a hypocrite and engaging in projection - but you won't.
Level 6

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#18 Jul 24, 2012
The Dude wrote:
Shoob, you're evading questions I asked you days ago. You're evading questions people asked you months ago. You're evading questions people asked you years ago. You run away every single time, leaving us with nothing but your repeated spammed links to your crank site.
You are free at any time to stop being a hypocrite and engaging in projection - but you won't.
Every thread subject is a separate debate topic. Every thread speaks for itself. The only hypocrite here engaging in projection is you.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#19 Jul 24, 2012
Yeah, neener neener.

Sorry guys, for ignoring DNFTT.
Elohim

Branford, CT

#20 Jul 24, 2012
Shubee wrote:
Dude,
You're evading the questions put to you in post #12. Isn't it true that you have no fear of God?
Why would you fear something that doesn't exist? I have no more fear of god than I have of the tooth fairy , santa or easter bunny.

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