"Mass shootings because schools teach...

"Mass shootings because schools teach evolution and ‘how to be a homo’"

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#1 Dec 19, 2012
A Tennessee pastor on Sunday told his congregation that the number of mass shooting were escalating because of schools were government “mind-control centers” that taught “junk about evolution” and “how to be a homo.”

Old Paths Baptist Church Pastor Sam Morris began speaking about last week’s school massacre in Newtown, Connecticut by warning that “this sermon will not be pleasant.”

“We get all up in arms about 20 children being shot in a day care but we don’t give one good-glory rip about the 4,000 that were removed violently from the wombs of their mothers [in abortion procedures] the same day,” he explained.“I believe they use children and Christmas and all that to pull on our heart strings about gun control. That’s what it’s all about.”

Morris asserted that equal rights was a “sham” because it’s “equal immorality” and that authorities should take the body of the suspected shooter, 20-year-old Adam Lanza,“and string him up in public and set his body on fire and leave it out there to let the birds pick his bones.”

“We’re going to see more of this,” he continued.“Because notice, the first thing in America we start yelling about is gun control is gun control. Have you noticed that? Gun control. No one’s even thought about the fact that these shootings only happened at places where guns are banned. Have you noticed that? They have never had a mass shooting at a gun show, where you can find over a thousand loaded guns at one time.”

“Why do you still send your kids to the governmental schools?” the pastor asked the congregation.“What’s behind this shooting that we saw on Dec. 14 in Newtown, Connecticut and the other one’s like it? What’s going on. Well, number one, deception… I got news for you, when you kicked God out of schools, you’re going to be judged for that.”

Morris insisted that “humanism” in schools taught Lanza that he was God and “he can just go blow away anybody he wants.”

“When I got in high school, man, I started learning all this kingdom, phylum stuff, all this junk about evolution,” he recalled.“And I want to tell you what evolution teaches — here’s the bottom line — that you’re an animal. That’s what it teaches. So, you’re an animal, you can act like an animal. Amen.”

“So, here you are, you’re an animal and you’re a god! So, what are we going to teach you about in school? Well, we can teach you about sex, we can teach you how to rebel to you parents, we can teach you how to be a homo! But we’re definitely not going to teach you about the word of God! Amen.”

He added:“They think homeschoolers are a bunch of crazies, man. But I’m going to tell you something, I’ve never seen a police officer or a medal detector at a home school. Never. Amen. Now, there’s plenty of guns at my home school. Amen. I guarantee you we’re not going to have a mass shooting at any of the schools that are represented in this building today. I guarantee you, if there is a shooting, it won’t last very long. Amen.”

“I guarantee you there’s at least six or seven guns in this place right now. Amen.”

Morris confirmed to Raw Story on Monday that he had preached the sermon uploaded to SermonAudio.com but declined to answer any additional questions.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/12/17/tenness...

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Wow.

Just.....Wow.

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#2 Dec 19, 2012
Yeah. Another nutcase.

On the other side, here's Terry "Dipshit" Jones getting his due:

The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#3 Dec 19, 2012
Hey look! A terrible tragedy that resulted in lots of deaths! What a GREAT opportunity to blame all the people who I don't like who weren't actually even involved!!!(insert favourite punching bags here)

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mutilate. Point down range.

#4 Dec 19, 2012
I understand that the farm animals in attendence stood and left the building.

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#5 Dec 20, 2012
So how come these shootings are prevalent - almost routine - in the USA, the most religious Western nation, but rare to nonexistent in most others who have far higher proportions of atheists and who have taught evolution and tolerance for homosexuality for decades?

Logic was never the creationist's ally.

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#6 Dec 20, 2012
Chimney1 wrote:
So how come these shootings are prevalent - almost routine - in the USA, the most religious Western nation, but rare to nonexistent in most others who have far higher proportions of atheists and who have taught evolution and tolerance for homosexuality for decades?
Logic was never the creationist's ally.
My guess, because it's tolerated. We wring our hands after the damage is done but do little to prevent it.

Some measure of gun control is needed and withing the confines of the constitution. But we need to get a better handle on mental illness. And the two need to be tied together.

There were strong suspicions about Adam Lanza's mental state even by his own mother and brother. Yet his mother had unlocked weapons in the house.

BTW, while the US may lead the body count, let's not forget a Anders Breivik who killed 8 people in a bombing then shot dead another 69. In a country with some of the world’s toughest gun control laws. So that's obviously not the ultimate answer.

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#7 Dec 20, 2012
MikeF wrote:
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My guess, because it's tolerated. We wring our hands after the damage is done but do little to prevent it.
Some measure of gun control is needed and withing the confines of the constitution. But we need to get a better handle on mental illness. And the two need to be tied together.
There were strong suspicions about Adam Lanza's mental state even by his own mother and brother. Yet his mother had unlocked weapons in the house.
BTW, while the US may lead the body count, let's not forget a Anders Breivik who killed 8 people in a bombing then shot dead another 69. In a country with some of the world’s toughest gun control laws. So that's obviously not the ultimate answer.
Yes, he was a very efficient nutcase. But still...thinking of Europe as a single entity of over 400 million people, and the extremely low frequency of such events, there is an issue.

From what I have seen and heard from Americans, and your TV etc, US schools seem to have a really invasive form of social stereotyping right from early high school with its jocks and nerds and winners and losers and prom queens and all that gaff. You know, its not really necessary...and it must make some of the less sociable types feel like real loser outsiders...let the rage begin.

Is that an accurate portrayal of the social substrate?

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#8 Dec 20, 2012
Chimney1 wrote:
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Yes, he was a very efficient nutcase. But still...thinking of Europe as a single entity of over 400 million people, and the extremely low frequency of such events, there is an issue.
From what I have seen and heard from Americans, and your TV etc, US schools seem to have a really invasive form of social stereotyping right from early high school with its jocks and nerds and winners and losers and prom queens and all that gaff. You know, its not really necessary...and it must make some of the less sociable types feel like real loser outsiders...let the rage begin.
Is that an accurate portrayal of the social substrate?
It *IS* a bit of a caste system for adolescents through to young adults. Not so much thereafter, in my opinion.

But then you see who is (for the most part) committing the mass shootings.....the young(er) set.

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#9 Dec 20, 2012
Chimney1 wrote:
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Yes, he was a very efficient nutcase. But still...thinking of Europe as a single entity of over 400 million people, and the extremely low frequency of such events, there is an issue.
No argument. But their statistics do not seem to be improving.
Chimney1 wrote:
From what I have seen and heard from Americans, and your TV etc, US schools seem to have a really invasive form of social stereotyping right from early high school with its jocks and nerds and winners and losers and prom queens and all that gaff. You know, its not really necessary...and it must make some of the less sociable types feel like real loser outsiders...let the rage begin.
Well... That seems to be at odds with today's common complaint that we're not allowing Johnny & Suzie to fail at anything that might disturb their feelings of self-worth.
Chimney1 wrote:
Is that an accurate portrayal of the r social substrate?
To an extent. However, consider that 50-75 years ago, no one really gave a shit about self-worth. You either failed or you succeeded. If you were the homecoming king or queen, goodie for you. If you weren't, just move on. Nobody liked a crybaby.

I'll still maintain that some of this has do with a certain degree of tolerance. Instead of saying these defective bastards are a waste of space, we try to excuse their behavior blaming it on poor parents, poor diets or their teachers were mean to them (think Ryan).

James Holmes, Jared Loughner and others. Plenty of warning signs but ignored. We wouldn't want to injure their self-worth, would we? So we tolerated their insanity because it was easier. Until it wasn't.

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#10 Dec 20, 2012
Re: Jared Loughner

"Your decision to commit cold-blooded mass murder also begs of us to look in the mirror...We are a people who can watch a young man like you spiral into murderous rampage without choosing to intervene before it is too late." - Mark Kelly, Gabby Giffords husband.

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#11 Dec 20, 2012

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#12 Dec 21, 2012
Kong_ wrote:
Morris asserted that equal rights was a “sham” because it’s “equal immorality” and that authorities should take the body of the suspected shooter, 20-year-old Adam Lanza,“and string him up in public and set his body on fire and leave it out there to let the birds pick his bones.”
That's one thing I like about Creationists:
they're such loving Christians.

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#13 Dec 23, 2012
MikeF wrote:
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No argument. But their statistics do not seem to be improving.
<quoted text>
Well... That seems to be at odds with today's common complaint that we're not allowing Johnny & Suzie to fail at anything that might disturb their feelings of self-worth.
<quoted text>
To an extent. However, consider that 50-75 years ago, no one really gave a shit about self-worth. You either failed or you succeeded. If you were the homecoming king or queen, goodie for you. If you weren't, just move on. Nobody liked a crybaby.
I'll still maintain that some of this has do with a certain degree of tolerance. Instead of saying these defective bastards are a waste of space, we try to excuse their behavior blaming it on poor parents, poor diets or their teachers were mean to them (think Ryan).
James Holmes, Jared Loughner and others. Plenty of warning signs but ignored. We wouldn't want to injure their self-worth, would we? So we tolerated their insanity because it was easier. Until it wasn't.
Have to agree. The point of failure is its supposed to teach you to either work and learn or shift your attention to something you are really good at...shielding from failure is shielding from a necessary part of the process of self-definition. And also creating the expectation that failure is not a real and expected part of life.

But on another note...does this academic hyper-tolerance equate with social tolerance within these cliquey school environments? Its not failing a math paper than creates these loonies is it? Isn't it the burden of feeling hated and despised by all the kids who have found their way successfully into good peer groups that provide social support and companionship?

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#14 Dec 24, 2012
Chimney1 wrote:
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Yes, he was a very efficient nutcase. But still...thinking of Europe as a single entity of over 400 million people, and the extremely low frequency of such events, there is an issue.
From what I have seen and heard from Americans, and your TV etc, US schools seem to have a really invasive form of social stereotyping right from early high school with its jocks and nerds and winners and losers and prom queens and all that gaff. You know, its not really necessary...and it must make some of the less sociable types feel like real loser outsiders...let the rage begin.
Is that an accurate portrayal of the social substrate?

Like any society there exists a social hierarchy the defining point of course money. The problem I think is we do not pay enough attention to children , and violent games and movies make them brain dead to violence.

The way to cure this is sadly that we need to make schools more like fortresses. I don't see any other way , we have done this to our courthouses and federal buildings and state government buildings. We going to have to include our schools too.

That and put security people in them along with paying closer attention to people who have mental issues. We can't tear down our constitution to solve it, it wouldn't work anyway. We all know from things like the Oklahoma bombing that taking guns would only change the method. What we need is to screen our youth better and catch these mental heath issues so the damaged psyches can be spotted better and dealt with before they explode in rage.

School security including nitrate sniffers will be the only real deterrent. I mean we spend plenty on defense, it's time some of that money is directed in a civil defense to protect the children, and not just Judges and Government officials.

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#15 Dec 24, 2012
MikeF wrote:
That's scary as hell.

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#16 Dec 24, 2012
MikeF wrote:
Puts things in perspective. Ouch.

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#17 Dec 24, 2012
Chimney1 wrote:
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Have to agree. The point of failure is its supposed to teach you to either work and learn or shift your attention to something you are really good at...shielding from failure is shielding from a necessary part of the process of self-definition. And also creating the expectation that failure is not a real and expected part of life.
But on another note...does this academic hyper-tolerance equate with social tolerance within these cliquey school environments? Its not failing a math paper than creates these loonies is it? Isn't it the burden of feeling hated and despised by all the kids who have found their way successfully into good peer groups that provide social support and companionship?
Yes, that's true. However, back in the day, those that were not successful in any given endeavor usually compensated in some other way. Being a clown, a bad ass or whatever. We didn't have the escapism we have now. If you got your ass kicked at school, you put your head down and swallowed your pride. And gained some measure of respect for that as well.

Is it any wonder that now days, that same kid can go home, shoot up cops - or anybody they like - in an extremely realistic video game and have so sense of what they are doing?

They don't face ANY music today. None. Until it's too late.

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#18 Dec 24, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Like any society there exists a social hierarchy the defining point of course money. The problem I think is we do not pay enough attention to children , and violent games and movies make them brain dead to violence.
Precisely.
Aura Mytha wrote:
The way to cure this is sadly that we need to make schools more like fortresses. I don't see any other way , we have done this to our courthouses and federal buildings and state government buildings. We going to have to include our schools too.
We are. But we will be attacking a symptom and not the disease.
Aura Mytha wrote:
That and put security people in them along with paying closer attention to people who have mental issues. We can't tear down our constitution to solve it, it wouldn't work anyway. We all know from things like the Oklahoma bombing that taking guns would only change the method. What we need is to screen our youth better and catch these mental heath issues so the damaged psyches can be spotted better and dealt with before they explode in rage.
Which comes back to better training for the teachers. They are and will always be our first line of defense. Trust me, the majority of them - administrators included - a completely clueless.
Aura Mytha wrote:
School security including nitrate sniffers will be the only real deterrent. I mean we spend plenty on defense, it's time some of that money is directed in a civil defense to protect the children, and not just Judges and Government officials.
And again, better training for teachers and administrators. They haven't the faintest idea of what real security is.(Not that TSA is much better).

In the school system I work for, every school has a 'check in' computer that prints a visitor's badge. Excellent! Because we all know the bad guys don't have inkjet printers or Avery labels.

And they're all fenced in. Except at dismissal time when everything unlocks and anyone can walk in or out. As I said, not the faintest idea.

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#19 Dec 26, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Like any society there exists a social hierarchy the defining point of course money. The problem I think is we do not pay enough attention to children , and violent games and movies make them brain dead to violence.
This position is ridiculous.

Violence existed long before television, movies or video games. If anything, we live in the LEAST violent era in the first world.

There is a dramatic difference between doing violence (even to other realistic humans) in a video game and doing violence in the real world. As any soldier who's seen the carnage up close.

There are hundreds of millions (if not a billion+) people playing violent video games on a REGULAR basis. That's been the case for more than a decade now.

Has gun violence increased alongside video game sales? No.

Hell, one of the most popular games in the WORLD is Angry Birds. Has there been even ONE case of someone throwing birds at pigs? Anywhere?

There is zero cause/effect between these two things.

At _BEST_ you could argue that someone prone to violence would like to play a popular video game which people who are not prone to violence also enjoy. Big friggin deal.

People prone to violence often brush their teeth in the morning. Cause/Effect? No.

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