Amarillo College nixes intelligent design class

Dec 23, 2013 Full story: World Magazine 284

In fall 2013, Amarillo College planned to offer a class entitled "Evolution vs. Intelligent Design" as one of its continuing education courses.

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The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#245 Dec 30, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Lets look at it Subby. They wanted a philosophy class where students could talk and debate about ID and evolution. Dozens of students had already signed up for it.
Let's say you have 2000 students. 600 don't give a crap one way or the other about ID or evolution. You have 800 that follow evolution and 600 that follow ID. It would have been a good class for the students to hear why other students follow what they follow and reasons and points on why they do. The ones that follow evolution could have talked about and shown their evidence for evolution and who knows maybe swung some of the other students to their side.
And it is not high school it is college where students should have a right to take a non-mandatory, non-credit class if they want to but I see now it is not just about high school where atheists think students have to take a class. It is also in college now denying students to take classes they want to take for leisure.
Give the atheists time and it wont be long before the try to have chapels removed from the military, the hospitals and everywhere else because it offends them or someone else.
So your saying that anyone pointing out you fundies are violating the First Amendment is a sure fire sign that atheists are gonna take away your First Amendment rights?

Bozo.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#246 Dec 30, 2013
bohart wrote:
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Amazing isn't it? You've seen the irrational posts from idiots like subby and Dude. They respond with nothing short of religious zealotry to defend their belief. How dare anyone question their belief as they claim science! Won't be long before these type idiots want to put people in a re-education camp, crazies do that you know.
Go boom.

Irony meter duz it.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#247 Dec 30, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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You sound a lot like Hitler. Thought he was better and smarter than everyone else. Thought that what he believed was the only right way. Always had ridicule for all who did not agree with him and wanted to destroy all that did not agree with him. It is atheism that is trying to destroy Christianity, not Christianity trying to destroy with atheism.
Then how come your buddies wrote the Wedge Document which explicitly expresses their intentions that it's the other way around because the Constitution is a load of bullshit?

Or put another way, how is taking illegal pseudoscience OUT of public schools and PRESERVING everyone's First Amendment rights gonna destroy Christianity?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#248 Dec 30, 2013
replaytime wrote:
As I have said before I believe in God and evolution. I believe God lets us evolve through the ages. He does not limit us and he may not agree with all we have done, but he does not interfere. Man will be the death of man. Man has became too greedy, too full of hate, takes more than he gives, his biggest worships are power and money.
God does not care how many bible verses we know, he cares about how many we follow.
God does not care if in the cyber world we are an angel. He cares about how we are in the real word.
God does not care how often we praise our self. He cares about how we praise others.
God does not care how we look. He cares about how we look upon others.
God does not care how much we have. He cares about how much we give.
God does not care how many times we fall. He cares about how many times we help the fallen.
Many can hide and put up a front and live a false life. But God always see’s what’s in our heart. God is forgiving,,, he is not blind.
And I might add I am guilty of most of this just as much as anyone.
You can believe in evolution all you want for I believe in it as well. The only difference is I believe God started it all where you believe it all started itself.
As we've said before, your beliefs are irrelevant.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#249 Dec 30, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Anymore all religions are ran as a business and many live high off they hog from the hard work of others. I don't go to church for they are full of hypocrites. Just because someone sins differently than they do they see them as bad people. Doing wrong is doing wrong, period. They judge someone for a sin while they sin in different ways or many times sin the same way but keep it hidden. Christianity has became lost in greed and hypocrisy.
Funny you should say that. On these threads you've shown you're no different from them.(shrug)
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#250 Dec 30, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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We live by and go by the laws of the universe but in reality we have no evidence how they came to be, where they came from or why they work out just right but everyone is all happy with that.
What's "just right" mean?

For example, does gravity work "just right"? How do we know? Especially in light of the fact we STILL don't know everything about it? Ya know, we went from Newton to Einstein, and now to quantum physics. And what's needed now is a working theory of quantum gravity, which we don't have yet.

So seriously, what the feck does "just right" even mean? Or is this just another example of your massively bloated egocentrism that demands your existence must be because of the purposeful meaning of life laid down for you by the invisible Jew wizard?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#252 Dec 30, 2013
defender wrote:
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Perhaps mathematically impossible random natural forces did start it all and then somehow reproduced itself, morphed into complex intelligent life and developed complex food chains in order to survive off of itself... Whatca think?
Then if you know that it's "mathematically impossible" then clearly YOU have knowledge of each and every required variable from an unknown string of events that occurred over 3.5 billion years ago, AND how we can assign accurate values TO those variables.

Something which science itself can't do yet.

So uh, that being the case... HOW did you work out it was "impossible" again?

Or were you lying?

Again.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#253 Dec 30, 2013
defender wrote:
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Any way you slice the pie you are still dealing with the Supernatural ... Science is not providing the answers... Hawking finally gave up and pinned his famous "spontaneous universe" lol...
All the Abiogenesis hypothesis are like turkeys trying to take flight...
And all the mountains of fossils require BS sketch artist to lie the links together... But yeah tell us all about your evidence... Show us a picture of Ida!!!
What are you talking about. Ida was a real honest to god genuine hominid missing link.

There couldn't POSSIBLY be anything wrong with it because it would be those silly evo scientists who would have found that out, and we all know those silly evo's are unreliable, right?

If I were you I'd start praying to the Designer and asking for a miracle to get you out of looking like a monumentally massive hypocrite. Nothing less would be required.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#254 Dec 30, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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That is a good fairytale story of “we thinks”. They mimicked earth like conditions of 4mya. Really? What was the exact composition of the atmosphere back then? What was the exact composition of earth back then? What was the exact composition of the water back then? Was it fresh water or salt water? Was it cold water or hot water? Did the water temperature matter? Did oxygen exist, I guess it had to being there was water, so how much water was there back then? How much oxygen was there back then? Did life arise in a puddle, a pond, a lake, just how much water was needed for life to arise? Did life only arise in one puddle or did it arise in many?
Ask Deef.

He's already done all the math based on all the variables you described. He should be able to describe it all to you in GREAT scientific detail because he worked it all out.

He said so.

By the way, what prevented God from doing it the way Kong pointed out? And can you give us a good reason why God should CARE what you think?

Bozo.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#255 Dec 30, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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How long is you god's penis?
Bigger than his, but only by a fraction - the fundie ego explained.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#256 Dec 30, 2013
replaytime wrote:
The fact is you cannot mimic earth conditions 4bya if you don't know exactly how they were.
Of course they don't know exactly, and that is the problem. But they do at least have an idea since the atmosphere is recorded in the rocks of the time. So the trick is to get the right mix. Not an easy thing to do when trying to figure out an event that occurred over 3 billion years ago.
replaytime wrote:
Similar conditions do not count if they are trying to see how life arose.
Of course they do, if they happen to succeed at demonstrating that life can arise under those conditions. And if this happens you are left with but two options:

1 - Say we faked it in an attempt to get God out of science and destroy Christianity.

2 - Insist that the test was intelligently designed in the first place thus proving Christianity, while ignoring the plant pot analogy.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#257 Dec 30, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks. It has been over twenty years since I had any geology and I wasn't sure I remembered rightly.
I agree. As long as they can mimic approximate conditions and adjust as new information is learned, it shouldn't make matter.
The experiment Kong linked seemed like a pretty sound design with some very interesting results. Attacking the conditions they modeled when they weren't completely described sounds like a childish attempt to look smart. Too late for that.
Repro, Deef and Bo have all clubbed together in the Nelson Muntz approach to science, with a bit of Rev Lovejoy thrown in.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#258 Dec 30, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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No problem.
Now, would you like to get into the negative and positive properties of H2O? Would you like to know why water molecules bond?
Intelligent Design.

It's gotta be "just right".

.

That's why I know it's them little leprechaun feckers responsible for what we call "condensation" on my windowsill in the mornings.

Bet they probably did it on the rug too.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#259 Dec 30, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Let set this list BS to rest. First off I never claimed a list. Second do you think that any scientists, anyone that has researched for evidence of evolution has ever lied about their research? Falsified their research? Falsified their findings? Yes or no?
Here's how it works bub - Your side falsifies ALL its findings, because it doesn't actually find anything at all. If our side falsifies their findings it's then our side who exposes and publicizes those falsifications. Then your side claims our side is unreliable because of the falsifications unless the unreliable scientists find that one of their own have cheated in which case they're suddenly VERY reliable.

So basically you're just a bunch of dishonest lying hypocrites who hate science even though you still reap the benefits.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#260 Dec 30, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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dannyboy when I get home later today I will unlock my location for you so you won't get all confused even though you have seen my location posted under my avatar many times.
Your location is irrelevant, it still won't change the fact that you are confused.

Use whatever name and location you like, it won't make the slightest bit of difference. Reality is still real no matter how many times you say it isn't.(shrug)
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#261 Dec 30, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Damn you are daft. I am on her computer signed in to topix evolution forum. Try signing into the evolution forum under two different names. It isn't possible that I know of. And I am not going to sign in and out so she can log in to appease your silly paranoia.
Sure it's possible. Sign in one name on Firefox, another in IE. Simples.

And if Suncore really IS your sister than sure would explain a lot of things.

Common ancestry for one.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#262 Dec 30, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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So far I have had to educate you on
Reep, if you were to educate a solid brick on how to be a solid brick you'd STILL get it wrong, despite your fantastic impersonation of a solid brick.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#263 Dec 30, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Oh so you don't think I am west plains at my sisters house. Is that what you are saying?
Who cares.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#264 Dec 30, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>No, that only confirms that you are where you have claimed to be.
Unless he's fiddled with his IP, but I don't think he's that savvy.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#265 Dec 30, 2013
defender wrote:
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Wow... Can't you do any better?
Unnecessary.

The day you could actually refute one of us here is the day Jesus comes back.

I guess that ain't gonna happen for another 2,000 years.(shrug)

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