Is string-theory a supernatural belief?
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“Think&Care”

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#161 Jun 27, 2012
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>I have not made a claim to the historicity of anything. I only referred to two scenarios and mentioned theoretical possibilities.
I have a beautifully clear argument on the possibility of a man to be fully formed out of the inanimate material of the earth in a single day (Genesis 2:7) at everythingimportant.org/quantumcreationism/#F...
Or the *much* more likely alternative that this is simply a myth.
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#162 Jun 27, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
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While *possible*, it is so incredibly unlikely that many alternative explanations are much more probable (like the whole story being made up). because of that, it is incredibly irrational to believe the incredibly unlikely sequence of events instead of the much more likely sequence of events.
Again, I'm not arguing for the historicity of anything. So you gave a reasonable answer to the opening post. Anything as miraculous as walking on water, the Red Sea splitting open and the creation of man in a single day is not supernatural according to any quantum based theory of physics!

“Think&Care”

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#163 Jun 27, 2012
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>Again, I'm not arguing for the historicity of anything. So you gave a reasonable answer to the opening post. Anything as miraculous as walking on water, the Red Sea splitting open and the creation of man in a single day is not supernatural according to any quantum based theory of physics!
As long as those events happened through quantum fluctuations, you are right. Since that is incredibly unlikely, any alternative is to be sought.
The Dude

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#164 Jun 27, 2012
MikeF wrote:
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I know what he said. Extending QM to Exodus or Genesis constitutes an extreme case of grasping at straws.
... attached to his balls.
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#165 Jun 27, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
As long as those events happened through quantum fluctuations, you are right.
And that begs the question: What causes quantum fluctuations? And the informed, mainstream view is that these are uncaused causes, which sounds damn silly to me.
polymath257 wrote:
Since that is incredibly unlikely, any alternative is to be sought.
Now you’re assigning a probability measure to the existence of God. Please tell us how you came up with your estimate.
The Dude

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#166 Jun 28, 2012
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text> And that begs the question: What causes quantum fluctuations? And the informed, mainstream view is that these are uncaused causes, which sounds damn silly to me.
Ah, good. So you admit argument from incredulity.
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text> Now you’re assigning a probability measure to the existence of God. Please tell us how you came up with your estimate.
Now in this case I agree with you. The Flying Spaghetti Monster is far more likely.

Isn't it great when we can get made up shite to be taken seriously in science?

“Maccullochella macquariensis”

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#167 Jun 28, 2012
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text> And that begs the question: What causes quantum fluctuations? And the informed, mainstream view is that these are uncaused causes, which sounds damn silly to me.
<quoted text> Now you’re assigning a probability measure to the existence of God. Please tell us how you came up with your estimate.
Fortunately for the progress of human knowledge, science is not bound by what does or does not seem silly to a failed wannabe from
Richardson, Texas. Quantum fluctuations are uncaused. You don't like it, tough titties.

As for assigning probabilities to the existance of god, given that there is absolutely no objective evidence for its existance and nothing has so far been found in the natural world that requires the existance of such a thing, to say that the probability of there being a god is so vanishingly small as to be indistinguishable from zero is really not that much of a stretch.

In fact the honest position for a rational person would be to say that until and unless any such evidence is ever produced, the potential existance of a god or gods can be assigned zero probability within any meaningful margin for error, albeit allowing that it _could_ exist, although the liklihood of a banana appearing on my desk due to quantum effects is much greater.
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#168 Jun 29, 2012
Simpletons,

The Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence!

“Maccullochella macquariensis”

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#169 Jun 29, 2012
Shubee wrote:
Simpletons,
The Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence!
Well, actually, if you take enough samples and find no evidence then it is certainly is reasonable to adopt the position that lack of evidence is evidence of lack. And there have certainly been more than enough samples to draw the conclusion that unless some extraordinary evidence is produced, then we can safely dismiss the extraordinary claim that there exists an undetectable and invisible being with magic powers.
The Dude

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#170 Jun 29, 2012
Shubee wrote:
Simpletons,
The Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence!
You can't falsify the Flying Spaghetti Monster either.(shrug)

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