Ten Reason Why Evolution Is a Lie

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

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#1912 Jun 26, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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I don’t know if it’s still in operation but during the last government there was a “traffic calming” initiative where each council was paid £10,000 for each modification they made to the road that could be shown to slow traffic.
There really was a phase of mini roundabouts, chicanes, zebra crossings and un-required traffic lights popping up over night. In the last 6 months most of the superfluous traffic light have been removed (at what expense), the other stuff remains.
The number of mini roundabouts and chicanes that were built was astounding – I know of one street nearby, it’s not a main road, just local residential traffic and is around 600 yards long. 2 roundabout, 3 chicanes, 2 zebra crossings and 2 4 way box junctions.
Now that's what I call "overkill"!

There are some streets in a city south of here that are lees than 1/4 mile long and have at least 6 circles (one at every intersection)

Sometimes there can be too much of a 'good' thing

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#1913 Jun 26, 2014
TerryL wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, trying to retrofit an existing intersection with a traffic circle isn't always a good fit.
A friend of mine drives a snowplow for the county... he said navigating the small circles took quite some time to get used to... while driving a tri-axle dump truck with a wing plow! Not that you'd know anything about that, of course!:D
I was born and grew up in Pennsylvania.

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

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#1914 Jun 26, 2014
MikeF wrote:
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I was born and grew up in Pennsylvania.
I sit corrected.:)

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#1915 Jun 26, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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It’s good enough thanks, just had a spell or warm weather (19 to 24 c – 66 to 75f) I guess pretty chilly compared to over there but wow...we think it was cooking. Dropped back to 12c now that’s 53.6 in your money
You should try the roundabout at the arc de triomphe in Paris, took me 4 circuits to get off and I swear they were driving out of the manhole covers.
So true. It was scary just to watch, I can't believe how courageous you are to actually drive it!

“When you treat people as they ”

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Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#1916 Jun 26, 2014
MikeF wrote:
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Guys here like to lower their Hondas to just a few inches off the ground. Funny the first time I saw one go over a speed table at full speed. Sparks galore!
I sometimes have problems with my xkr, I usually drive one wheel over the bump with the other in the gutter. My hub drives a DB9 and it’s an inch lower so we need to be vary careful with that. Near our place in France there is a full width ‘table’ and quite a bump too that he just can’t get over so he takes 2 wheels onto the pavement about 100 yards before and drives over it that way. Totally illegal but the only way
MikeF wrote:
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Got red-light cameras?
Yup at some junctions

And coppers who hide behind bushed with a radar gun

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#1917 Jun 26, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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I sometimes have problems with my xkr, I usually drive one wheel over the bump with the other in the gutter. My hub drives a DB9 and it’s an inch lower so we need to be vary careful with that. Near our place in France there is a full width ‘table’ and quite a bump too that he just can’t get over so he takes 2 wheels onto the pavement about 100 yards before and drives over it that way. Totally illegal but the only way
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Yup at some junctions
And coppers who hide behind bushed with a radar gun
XJR and a DB9. Obviously not on the dole.

:-)

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Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#1918 Jun 26, 2014
MikeF wrote:
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XJR and a DB9. Obviously not on the dole.
:-)
Well effectively yes we are but not claiming... both of us dont have a job. we just sold the company and luckily the company who bought us asked us to stay on to train their management team
Bob

Savage, MN

#1920 Aug 14, 2014
LOS ANGELES ( CBSLA.com )— Attorneys for a California State University, Northridge scientist who was terminated from his job after discovering soft tissue on a triceratops fossil have filed a lawsuit against the university.
While at the Hell Creek Formation excavation site in Montana, researcher Mark Armitage discovered what he believed to be the largest triceratops horn ever unearthed at the site, according to attorney Brad Dacus of Pacific Justice Institute.
Upon examination of the horn under a high-powered microscope back at CSUN, Dacus says Armitage was “fascinated” to find soft tissue on the sample – a discovery Bacus said stunned members of the school’s biology department and even some students “because it indicates that dinosaurs roamed the earth only thousands of years in the past rather than going extinct 60 million years ago.”
“Since some creationists, like [Armitage], believe that the triceratops bones are only 4,000 years old at most,[Armitage's] work vindicated his view that these dinosaurs roamed the planet relatively recently,” according to the complaint filed July 22 in Los Angeles Superior Court.
The lawsuit against the CSUN board of trustees cites discrimination for perceived religious views.
Armitage’s findings were eventually published in July 2013 in a peer-reviewed scientific journal.
According to court documents, shortly after the original soft tissue discovery, a CSUN official told Armitage,“We are not going to tolerate your religion in this department!”
Armitage, a published scientist of over 30 years, was subsequently let go after CSUN abruptly claimed his appointment at the university of 38 months had been temporary, and claimed a lack of funding for his position, according to attorneys.
“Terminating an employee because of their religious views is completely inappropriate and illegal,” Dacus said in a statement.“But doing so in an attempt to silence scientific speech at a public university is even more alarming. This should be a wakeup call and warning to the entire world of academia.”

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#1921 Aug 14, 2014
Bob wrote:
LOS ANGELES ( CBSLA.com )— Attorneys for a California State University, Northridge scientist who was terminated from his job after discovering soft tissue on a triceratops fossil have filed a lawsuit against the university.
While at the Hell Creek Formation excavation site in Montana, researcher Mark Armitage discovered what he believed to be the largest triceratops horn ever unearthed at the site, according to attorney Brad Dacus of Pacific Justice Institute.
Upon examination of the horn under a high-powered microscope back at CSUN, Dacus says Armitage was “fascinated” to find soft tissue on the sample – a discovery Bacus said stunned members of the school’s biology department and even some students “because it indicates that dinosaurs roamed the earth only thousands of years in the past rather than going extinct 60 million years ago.”
“Since some creationists, like [Armitage], believe that the triceratops bones are only 4,000 years old at most,[Armitage's] work vindicated his view that these dinosaurs roamed the planet relatively recently,” according to the complaint filed July 22 in Los Angeles Superior Court.
The lawsuit against the CSUN board of trustees cites discrimination for perceived religious views.
Armitage’s findings were eventually published in July 2013 in a peer-reviewed scientific journal.
According to court documents, shortly after the original soft tissue discovery, a CSUN official told Armitage,“We are not going to tolerate your religion in this department!”
Armitage, a published scientist of over 30 years, was subsequently let go after CSUN abruptly claimed his appointment at the university of 38 months had been temporary, and claimed a lack of funding for his position, according to attorneys.
“Terminating an employee because of their religious views is completely inappropriate and illegal,” Dacus said in a statement.“But doing so in an attempt to silence scientific speech at a public university is even more alarming. This should be a wakeup call and warning to the entire world of academia.”
If he actually said "“because it indicates that dinosaurs roamed the earth only thousands of years in the past rather than going extinct 60 million years ago" as a professor in a Biology department he did indeed present his religious beliefs as science.

The complete 'peer reviewed' article costs thirty-six bucks to download so I guess we'll never know what he actually discovered.

Other soft tissue discoveries were ossified collagen fibers which were reconstituted in NADH, a weak acid.
TurkanaBoy

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#1922 Aug 15, 2014
Bob wrote:
LOS ANGELES ( CBSLA.com )— Attorneys for a California State University, Northridge scientist who was terminated from his job after discovering soft tissue on a triceratops fossil have filed a lawsuit against the university.
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According to court documents, shortly after the original soft tissue discovery, a CSUN official told Armitage,“We are not going to tolerate your religion in this department!”
Armitage, a published scientist of over 30 years, was subsequently let go after CSUN abruptly claimed his appointment at the university of 38 months had been temporary, and claimed a lack of funding for his position, according to attorneys.
“Terminating an employee because of their religious views is completely inappropriate and illegal,” Dacus said in a statement.“But doing so in an attempt to silence scientific speech at a public university is even more alarming. This should be a wakeup call and warning to the entire world of academia.”
Mr. Marc Armitage was fired because he said "because it indicates that dinosaurs roamed the earth only thousands of years in the past rather than going extinct 60 million years ago." Not because the found soft tissue. He also was not qualified to do this research - he worked a microscope technician.

Mr. Armitage is a creationist and he should keep his

There are more, although very rare instances where soft tissues are found in old specimen. This already has been explained by Mary Schweitzer, the biologist who was the first who discovered it in Trex specimen.

Let's do the science:
1) in her 2005 first publications, Schweitzer reported that molecular analysis of the collagen she retrieved form the Trex specimen revealed that it resembles of all living animals that of birds best (she took an ostrich). This is predicted by evolution theory because it states that birds descended from dinosaurs. WHAT BETTER PROOF than the original tissue of a dinosaur.
2) the dinosaur specimen are always dated to be 65 million years or older. There are several dating techniques available and used for that.
3) the reason why soft tissue is still preserved after millions of years is already revealed in a follow-up study by Schweitzer herself. It is a combination of perfect sealing off from the air and bacteria of the specimen along with exposure to iron. In chemical analysis she proved that iron can work like formaldehyde: it cross-links the amino acids that make up proteins, which makes those proteins more resistant to decay. She tested this in a lab experiments where she preserved ostrich tissue in iron-rich liquid made of red blood cells. After 2 years it still was preserved well, although in room temperature and exposed to air. Thus, mind that these specimen were NOT sealed off from exposure to air and bacteria. The control set, the same ostrich tissue sitting in water, decayed in already a few days.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#1924 Aug 15, 2014
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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If he actually said "“because it indicates that dinosaurs roamed the earth only thousands of years in the past rather than going extinct 60 million years ago" as a professor in a Biology department he did indeed present his religious beliefs as science.
The complete 'peer reviewed' article costs thirty-six bucks to download so I guess we'll never know what he actually discovered.
Other soft tissue discoveries were ossified collagen fibers which were reconstituted in NADH, a weak acid.
Yet something tells me that somehow I don't think that the paper itself suggests anything at all like the idea of dinosaurs roaming the Earth a mere thousands of years ago, or the Earth being only thousands of years old, or that evolutionary biology (along with all chemistry and all of physics) are all totally incorrect.

“There is no Truth in Faith”

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Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#1925 Aug 15, 2014
TurkanaBoy

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#1926 Aug 15, 2014
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
History is fraught with fraudsters trying to "pull a fast one".
http://www.cracked.com/article_19672_5-ridicu...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =rxRE72ka6vsXX
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_shro2.h...
And of course the creationist frauds:
http://www.noanswersingenesis.org.au/creation...
http://chem.tufts.edu/science/Stear-NoAiG/no-...

“When you treat people as they ”

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Since: Nov 10

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#1927 Aug 18, 2014
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
History is fraught with fraudsters trying to "pull a fast one".
http://www.cracked.com/article_19672_5-ridicu...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =rxRE72ka6vsXX
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_shro2.h...
The shroud being one of the biggest religious frauds of all time

If as is claimed the shroud covered a crucified person (jesus) then front of the shroud (that depicting the front of the body) would have shown the topology of a 3D object depicted on a 2D medium (not just clever 2D shading). The back would have simply shown pressure points, back of skull, shoulder blades etc.
See http://www.surrey.ac.uk/cvssp/images/72501_3d... for an example of the dimensions of a 3D face shown in 2D. Or simply take a tape measure and measure from ear to ear and compare the distance with a 1 to 1 photo.

No such natural distortion is present showing that the image on the shroud is either painted or photographed
TurkanaBoy

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#1928 Aug 18, 2014
_Susan_ wrote:
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So true. It was scary just to watch, I can't believe how courageous you are to actually drive it!
My father used to work in Paris for some years and he heard of (presumably an urban legend) the Parisian city council deliberately not taking measures to reconstruct l'Arc de Triomphe roundabout. The reason: its notoriously frantically insane traffic has become a major tourist attraction of its own.

My father also claimed that he once managed to complete its circuit in less than just a 10 seconds. Nobody of his French colleagues believed him. He then said it was at night. They still didn't believe him. Even in the midst of the night this just won't happen.
There was also a French saying "you don't need to circle the l'Arc de Triomph in just one minute" which means "don't hurry, we've time enough".
This is the only place in Paris where the accidents are not judged. No matter what the circumstances, insurance companies split the costs fifty-fifty.
My father never had a car accident on l'Arc de Triomph. The only car accident was in a silly backwoods. He regretted it. Because in Paris you only count when you were at least once involved in a car crash at l'Arc de Triomph. And because of the insurance split of course.
Mitch

Savage, MN

#1929 Nov 25, 2014
polymath257 wrote:
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This is not a correct statement of the second law of thermodynamics. before you can argue a subject, you need to at least know what the ideas are in that subject.
So, before we go any further, please show you know what entropy is by answering the following:
1. State the second law of thermodynamics in a way that doesn't use the words 'entropy','randomness', or 'disorganized'.
2. When water freezes and becomes ice, does the entropy of the water go up or down? Can water spontaneously freeze?
3. When a mixture of water and oil spontaneously separates, does the entropy go up or down?
4. What are the dimensions of entropy? For example, the dimensions of energy are (mass)(length)^2 /(time)^2.
5. How much entropy is entering into the earth's ecosystem by energy from the sun every second? You can, if you want, limit this to the entropy for each square meter per second.
6. What would the total entropy of a collection of bacteria populating the oceans be?
7. What is the total entropy of all life on earth currently?
8. Put together 5,6, and 7 and discuss.
I suspect like Nebraska Man, the Missing Link, shock theropy, lobotomies, and this mornings weather, all the above will be proven wrong, and you of much faith will have new lies to follow.
Bob

Savage, MN

#1930 Nov 25, 2014
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Yet here you are bringing what was a dead thread back to life.
I believe you and your faithful friends keep it going. If I'm such a moron why do you waste your time replying to a dead thread?

For thos of you who like to pick on spelling and grammar, check out mikes first post.

I did not capitalize his name intentionallt, he deserves little to no respect.
The Dude

UK

#1931 Nov 25, 2014
Mitch wrote:
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I suspect like Nebraska Man, the Missing Link, shock theropy, lobotomies, and this mornings weather, all the above will be proven wrong, and you of much faith will have new lies to follow.
Oh hey, Mitch. Still ranting and clueless?

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Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#1932 Nov 26, 2014
Mitch wrote:
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I suspect like Nebraska Man, the Missing Link, shock theropy, lobotomies, and this mornings weather, all the above will be proven wrong, and you of much faith will have new lies to follow.
Nebraska Man, the Missing Link, shock therapy and lobotomies were proven wrong by scientific and medical research

Not sure about this mornings weather yet, I'll tell you this afternoon

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Since: Apr 08

Lakeland, FL

#1933 Nov 26, 2014
Bob wrote:
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I believe you and your faithful friends keep it going. If I'm such a moron why do you waste your time replying to a dead thread?
For thos of you who like to pick on spelling and grammar, check out mikes first post.
I did not capitalize his name intentionallt, he deserves little to no respect.
That's OK, doofus. I have no respect for you either.

BTW, you had two misspelling in the above. Way to look superior.

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