Ten Reason Why Evolution Is a Lie
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#1667 Aug 20, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill."
I'm trying to remember who was it that said that. Hmmm...
Jesus fulfilled Moses' "ceremony laws of sacrifice".

God's law of the 10 commandments still stand today.

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#1668 Aug 20, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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Jesus fulfilled Moses' "ceremony laws of sacrifice".
THAT'S who it was. Thanks.
imagine2011 wrote:
God's law of the 10 commandments still stand today.
So how do you know which parts of the OT is to be ignored and which parts are still in play. Is there a list somewhere?

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#1669 Aug 20, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
God's law of the 10 commandments still stand today.
Do you honor the Sabbath?
Does your church have an image of Jesus on the cross?
Have you ever seen an ad on television and later purchased that product?

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#1670 Aug 20, 2013
Can anyone hazard a guess why some folks are so invested in believing that evolution didn't happen. Is it really all religion?
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#1671 Aug 20, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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THAT'S who it was. Thanks.
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So how do you know which parts of the OT is to be ignored and which parts are still in play. Is there a list somewhere?
By reading the Bible.

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#1672 Aug 20, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
<quoted text> By reading the Bible.
Which part contains this list?
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#1673 Aug 20, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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Jesus fulfilled Moses' "ceremony laws of sacrifice".
What does "fulfilled" mean in this context? How does one "fulfill" a set of 613 laws?

God had an ETERNAL covenant with his people, the Jews, and his law, the Torah was to be obeyed. When did God tell the entire nation of Israel it no longer needed to follow the Law?

In fact, Jesus, who supposedly "fulfilled" the Law actually tells those around him to FOLLOW the Law of Moses. Why would he DO that? Why wouldn't he tell them instead "I've fulfilled it. Just believe in me and you'll go to heaven for all eternity"?

Matthew 23:1-3 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, saying, the scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe,[that] observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#1674 Aug 20, 2013
_Susan_ wrote:
Can anyone hazard a guess why some folks are so invested in believing that evolution didn't happen. Is it really all religion?
Yes, it's a small group of fundamentalist Protestants who are worried that if the bible, particularly the Genesis creation myth, are not taken as literally, factually TRUE, then there was no disobedience by Adam and Eve, thus no Fall, thus no need for jesus to come down from heaven and die for our sins, thus no "being saved," thus no need to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior."

A big, collapsing House of Cards, isn't it?

So yeah, you BET they are gonna claim that "evolution never happens."

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#1675 Aug 20, 2013
_Susan_ wrote:
Can anyone hazard a guess why some folks are so invested in believing that evolution didn't happen. Is it really all religion?
I think we can add to it the fear that without an imposed "meaning", life will be empty. Wrong of course, in my view.

Also there is a strong need by many, especially in unjust societies, to belief that justice will be done in the end. Understandable, if you have ever been to the more bastard places on Earth.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#1676 Aug 20, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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Also there is a strong need by many, especially in unjust societies, to belief that justice will be done in the end. Understandable, if you have ever been to the more bastard places on Earth.
"...he said," posting from (ahem) SOMEWHERE in the Middle East.:)

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#1677 Aug 20, 2013
Gillette wrote:
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Yes, it's a small group of fundamentalist Protestants who are worried that if the bible, particularly the Genesis creation myth, are not taken as literally, factually TRUE, then there was no disobedience by Adam and Eve, thus no Fall, thus no need for jesus to come down from heaven and die for our sins, thus no "being saved," thus no need to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior."
A big, collapsing House of Cards, isn't it?
So yeah, you BET they are gonna claim that "evolution never happens."
So sad. Poor things.

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#1678 Aug 20, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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I think we can add to it the fear that without an imposed "meaning", life will be empty. Wrong of course, in my view.
Also there is a strong need by many, especially in unjust societies, to belief that justice will be done in the end. Understandable, if you have ever been to the more bastard places on Earth.
Actually I have and I can understand why there are those who want to believe there is meaning of a sorts in life and that justice will prevail in the end. I wish *I* cold believe it.

Thanks.

:)
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#1679 Aug 20, 2013
Gillette wrote:
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What does "fulfilled" mean in this context? How does one "fulfill" a set of 613 laws?
God had an ETERNAL covenant with his people, the Jews, and his law, the Torah was to be obeyed. When did God tell the entire nation of Israel it no longer needed to follow the Law?
In fact, Jesus, who supposedly "fulfilled" the Law actually tells those around him to FOLLOW the Law of Moses. Why would he DO that? Why wouldn't he tell them instead "I've fulfilled it. Just believe in me and you'll go to heaven for all eternity"?
Matthew 23:1-3 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, saying, the scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe,[that] observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Jesus did not abolish the moral and ethical laws that had been in effect from the time of Moses. He affirmed and expanded upon those principles, but He said obedience must be from the heart (attitudes and intentions) rather than just technical observance of the letter of the law (Matthew 5:21-22, 27-28, 31-32, 33-34, 38-42, 43-44, etc.).

However, Jesus and His disciples did not observe the strict scribal rules against doing any work on the Sabbath (Matthew 12:1-14, Mark 2:23-28, 3:1-6, Luke 6:1-11, 13:10-17, 14:1-6, John 5:1-18). Neither did they perform the ritual hand washings before eating (Matthew 15:1-2). In contrast to the dietary rules of the Law, Jesus said no food can defile a person; it is bad attitudes and actions that can make a person unholy (Matthew 15:1-20, Mark 7:1-23). Jesus frequently criticized the scribal laws (Matthew 23:23, Mark 7:11-13) and some aspects of the civil law (John 8:3-5, 10-11).

Therefore, Jesus may have been specifically teaching that the moral and ethical laws in the Scripture would endure until the end of time. That would be consistent with His actions and other teachings. Through His teachings and actions, Jesus revealed the true meaning and intent of the Law.

It is also pointed out that Jesus, Himself, is the fulfillment of the Law (Matthew 26:28, Mark 10:45, Luke 16:16, John 1:16, Acts 10:28, 13:39, Romans 10:4) The sacrifice of Jesus on the cross ended forever the need for animal sacrifices and other aspects of the ceremonial law.

With the coming of Christ, God has established a new covenant with mankind (Jeremiah 31:31-34, Luke 22:20, 1 Corinthians 11:25, Hebrews 8:8-13, 9:11-15). Jesus and His apostles gave us a radically new understanding of the true intent of the Old Testament Law; they brought a new era of the rule of love for all people and spiritual truth instead of rule by law (Luke 10:25-28, John 13:34-35, Ephesians 2:14-18).

However, God has not revoked His original covenant with Israel and the Jewish people (Luke 1:72, Acts 3:25, Romans 9:4-5, 11:26-29, Galatians 3:17). The New Covenant does not condemn the Jews, nor does it in any way justify persecution of Jews.

http://www.christianbiblereference.org/faq_Ol...
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#1680 Aug 20, 2013
The teachings of Jesus, the Council of Jerusalem, and other New Testament teachings (John 1:16-17, Acts 13:39, Romans 2:25-29, 8:1-4, 1 Corinthians 9:19-21, Galatians 2:15-16, Ephesians 2:15) make it clear that Christians are not required to follow the Old Testament rules about crimes and punishments, warfare, slavery, diet, circumcision, animal sacrifices, feast days, Sabbath observance, ritual cleanness, etc.

Christians still look to the Old Testament scripture for moral and spiritual guidance (2 Timothy 3:16-17). But when there seems to be a conflict between Old Testament laws and New Testament principles, we must follow the New Testament because it represents the most recent and most perfect revelation from God (Hebrews 8:13, 2 Corinthians 3:1-18, Galatians 2:15-20).

However, freedom from the Old Testament Law is not a license for Christians to relax their moral standards. The moral and ethical teachings of Jesus and His apostles call for even greater self-discipline than those of the Old Testament (Matthew 5:21-22, 27-28, 31-32, 33-34, 38-42, 43-48, 7:1-5, 15:18-19, 25:37-40, Mark 7:21-23, 12:28-31, Luke 12:15, 1 Corinthians 13:1-13, Galatians 5:19-21, James 1:27, 2:15-16, 1 John 3:17-19).
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#1681 Aug 20, 2013
Gillette wrote:
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What does "fulfilled" mean in this context? How does one "fulfill" a set of 613 laws?
God had an ETERNAL covenant with his people, the Jews, and his law, the Torah was to be obeyed. When did God tell the entire nation of Israel it no longer needed to follow the Law?
In fact, Jesus, who supposedly "fulfilled" the Law actually tells those around him to FOLLOW the Law of Moses. Why would he DO that? Why wouldn't he tell them instead "I've fulfilled it. Just believe in me and you'll go to heaven for all eternity"?
Matthew 23:1-3 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, saying, the scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe,[that] observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
http://www.christianbiblereference.org/faq_Ol...

By the time of Jesus, the great moral principles God had given to Moses in the Ten Commandments had been turned into hundreds of ceremonial rules. People thought they were living holy lives if they just obeyed all those rules. But Jesus disagreed. He said people found enough "loopholes" to obey all the rules and still live wicked and greedy lives (Matthew 23:23-28).

Jesus did not abolish the moral and ethical laws that had been in effect from the time of Moses. He affirmed and expanded upon those principles, but He said obedience must be from the heart (attitudes and intentions) rather than just technical observance of the letter of the law (Matthew 5:21-22, 27-28, 31-32, 33-34, 38-42, 43-44, etc.).

However, Jesus and His disciples did not observe the strict scribal rules against doing any work on the Sabbath (Matthew 12:1-14, Mark 2:23-28, 3:1-6, Luke 6:1-11, 13:10-17, 14:1-6, John 5:1-18). Neither did they perform the ritual hand washings before eating (Matthew 15:1-2). In contrast to the dietary rules of the Law, Jesus said no food can defile a person; it is bad attitudes and actions that can make a person unholy (Matthew 15:1-20, Mark 7:1-23). Jesus frequently criticized the scribal laws (Matthew 23:23, Mark 7:11-13) and some aspects of the civil law (John 8:3-5, 10-11).
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#1682 Aug 20, 2013
Gillette wrote:
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Well, then "kind" means absolutely nothing because you use it in twenty mutually conflicting ways.
There are 8 main taxonomic ranks (in descending order):
domain
kingdom
phylum
class
order
family
genus
species (human beings, i.e. homo sapiens, are a species)
Bacteria is the name of one of the broadest possible classifications in biology -- it is one of the three Domains:
Archaea
Bacteria
Eukarya (Eukarya = ALL animals, plants, fungi)
Within their biological Domain of "Bacteria," bacterial species are as different from one another as a dog, a giraffe and an oak tree are different within THEIR Domain of Eukaryotes.
There are ZILLIONS of different species of bacteria, equivalent to (within THEIR domain of Eukaryotes) different species of animals, plants, fungi, etc.
So if we observe bacteria in the lab evolving into new SPECIES of bacteria, that is a strong demonstration of speciation, or what Christians mistakenly call "macro-evolution."
A bacteria doesn't have to become a cat in order to demonstrate evolution. It just has to evolve into a new kind of bacteria.
Wasting your time. May as well be trying to explain quantum physics to your goldfish.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#1683 Aug 20, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Ok. Now how would the other 99% of the English language speaking people finish that same sentence.
Oh gee RT, sorry I guess we have to dumb it down to colloquial speech when referring to SCIENCE instead of using those stupid more specific SCIENTIFIC TERMS, right? If you're gonna go that far down you may as well just come right out and say reality isn't real cuz Goddidit with magic.

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#1684 Aug 20, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Oh gee RT, sorry I guess we have to dumb it down to colloquial speech when referring to SCIENCE instead of using those stupid more specific SCIENTIFIC TERMS, right? If you're gonna go that far down you may as well just come right out and say reality isn't real cuz Goddidit with magic.
Well darn Dude, I thought it had been done with magic. You know turtles all the way down.

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#1685 Aug 20, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Oh gee RT, sorry I guess we have to dumb it down to colloquial speech when referring to SCIENCE instead of using those stupid more specific SCIENTIFIC TERMS, right? If you're gonna go that far down you may as well just come right out and say reality isn't real cuz Goddidit with magic.
WOW you are a real God hater. How did you come up with Goddidit with magic from talking about the definition of kind?

Again the question was;
How would science fill in the blank in this sentence?

Largemouth bass, smallmouth bass, rock bass, stripe bass are all different species but all are __________

1. kinds of Bass.
2. types of Bass.
3. fill in your own.

Now it was answered with members of the family Centrarchidae.

The next question was;
Now how would the other 99% of the English language speaking people finish that same sentence?

And you give dumb it down and Goddidit with magic for an answer. LOL.
Point being all are not scientists and do not speak in scientific terms and you feel that is reason to ridicule the way they word something? It is petty and stupid. Like you think you could hang with scientists, do their work and talk their lingo. They would leave you behind eating dirt.

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Everett, WA

#1686 Aug 20, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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WOW you are a real God hater. How did you come up with Goddidit with magic from talking about the definition of kind?
Again the question was;
How would science fill in the blank in this sentence?
Largemouth bass, smallmouth bass, rock bass, stripe bass are all different species but all are __________
1. kinds of Bass.
2. types of Bass.
3. fill in your own.
Now it was answered with members of the family Centrarchidae.
The next question was;
Now how would the other 99% of the English language speaking people finish that same sentence?
And you give dumb it down and Goddidit with magic for an answer. LOL.
Point being all are not scientists and do not speak in scientific terms and you feel that is reason to ridicule the way they word something? It is petty and stupid. Like you think you could hang with scientists, do their work and talk their lingo. They would leave you behind eating dirt.
Replaytime, it does not matter how uneducated people would answer that question. If you are having a scientific debate and are debating terminology then the correct answer would be given by people who were educated in that particular subject.

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