Ten Reason Why Evolution Is a Lie

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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#1526 Aug 1, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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How is it supposed to reproduce? Become a larger blob of cells and that's it?
We already know we can clone.
Where are they getting their "ingredients" for this life, btw?
Are you intentionally being thick?

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#1527 Aug 1, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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Where is the evidence for Vishnu and any evidence of people receiving anything from him other than pressure to worship him from others.
My reason for worshiping God has absolutely nothing to do with anyone but myself.
If any person could have told me to worship Him, then why didn't I for most of my life?
Because it had to be on 'my' terms and God's calling coinciding.
I was no where around my family when I was saved and some experiences I've had, they don't even understand.
This God is not one you can pin down and compare to others, believe me, there are no similarities.
I am currently living in a part of the world where God fearing men and women believe devoutly in one God and that Mohammed was the last and most perfect prophet of that God. They have a book of scripture which they hold to be the perfect Word of God imparted to His Prophet.

Muslim and Christian scholars have been arguing about who is right for 1400 years. Each side is perfectly sure that it is right and the other is wrong. Each can give excellent reasons according to its own standards.

The simple fact is that people on one side listened to their parents and teachers and so did those on the other. Neither has any way to prove that they are right and the others are wrong.

If you were born here, you would be just as Muslim as you are now Christian. I guarantee it.

Reality: If there IS a God, neither of you respect HIS creation. You only respect words written by MEN, you are idolaters of BOOKS, not God. The Bible or the Quran are your Golden Calves.

Scientists take their learning from what the WORLD tells us and if God created that world then THEY, not scripture worshippers, are the true lovers of God and His creation. They look for the secrets of the universe itself, and they regard evidence from that universe as the true and final arbiter of all questions.

Blessed be the scientists, for they are lovers of truth. Cursed be the book idolaters, for they are liars.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#1528 Aug 1, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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I am currently living in a part of the world where God fearing men and women believe devoutly in one God and that Mohammed was the last and most perfect prophet of that God. They have a book of scripture which they hold to be the perfect Word of God imparted to His Prophet.
Muslim and Christian scholars have been arguing about who is right for 1400 years. Each side is perfectly sure that it is right and the other is wrong. Each can give excellent reasons according to its own standards.
The simple fact is that people on one side listened to their parents and teachers and so did those on the other. Neither has any way to prove that they are right and the others are wrong.
If you were born here, you would be just as Muslim as you are now Christian. I guarantee it.
Reality: If there IS a God, neither of you respect HIS creation. You only respect words written by MEN, you are idolaters of BOOKS, not God. The Bible or the Quran are your Golden Calves.
Scientists take their learning from what the WORLD tells us and if God created that world then THEY, not scripture worshippers, are the true lovers of God and His creation. They look for the secrets of the universe itself, and they regard evidence from that universe as the true and final arbiter of all questions.
Blessed be the scientists, for they are lovers of truth. Cursed be the book idolaters, for they are liars.
*VERY* well said, Chimney.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#1529 Aug 1, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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I am currently living in a part of the world where God fearing men and women believe devoutly in one God and that Mohammed was the last and most perfect prophet of that God. They have a book of scripture which they hold to be the perfect Word of God imparted to His Prophet.
Muslim and Christian scholars have been arguing about who is right for 1400 years. Each side is perfectly sure that it is right and the other is wrong. Each can give excellent reasons according to its own standards.
The simple fact is that people on one side listened to their parents and teachers and so did those on the other. Neither has any way to prove that they are right and the others are wrong.
If you were born here, you would be just as Muslim as you are now Christian. I guarantee it.
Reality: If there IS a God, neither of you respect HIS creation. You only respect words written by MEN, you are idolaters of BOOKS, not God. The Bible or the Quran are your Golden Calves.
Scientists take their learning from what the WORLD tells us and if God created that world then THEY, not scripture worshippers, are the true lovers of God and His creation. They look for the secrets of the universe itself, and they regard evidence from that universe as the true and final arbiter of all questions.
Blessed be the scientists, for they are lovers of truth. Cursed be the book idolaters, for they are liars.
If Islamist, who follow the Quran, are really worshipping the same God as the Holy Bible, then why are they set on killing Jews and Christians who do follow the Holy Bible?

Because it's not the same God, that's why.

They think it's alright to have verses telling them to chop off heads and hands of Jews and Infidels.

BTW, Mohammed claimed to be possessed by a demon of satan and that some verses he admitted were satanic,(if that gives more clues).
MIDutch

Waterford, MI

#1530 Aug 1, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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If Islamist, who follow the Quran, are really worshipping the same God as the Holy Bible, then why are they set on killing Jews and Christians who do follow the Holy Bible?
Because it's not the same God, that's why.
They think it's alright to have verses telling them to chop off heads and hands of Jews and Infidels.
BTW, Mohammed claimed to be possessed by a demon of satan and that some verses he admitted were satanic,(if that gives more clues).
Who cares. It's just an updated version of the bronze age, goat herder fairy tale you follow as well.

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Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#1531 Aug 1, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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If Islamist, who follow the Quran, are really worshipping the same God as the Holy Bible, then why are they set on killing Jews and Christians who do follow the Holy Bible?
Because it's not the same God, that's why.
If Christians who follow the Bible were burning Jews at the stake during the Inquisition, does that mean they aren't following the same god?

If they were slaughtering Muslims during the cruisades, does that mean they aren't following the same god?
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#1532 Aug 1, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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If Christians who follow the Bible were burning Jews at the stake during the Inquisition, does that mean they aren't following the same god?
If they were slaughtering Muslims during the cruisades, does that mean they aren't following the same god?
You mean Catholics did all of that, right?

Roman leaders

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Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#1533 Aug 1, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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You mean Catholics did all of that, right?
Roman leaders
The Spanish did the inquisition.

Protestants were lynching blacks in the South.

You are lumping ALL Muslims together, you can't split hairs when it comes to Christians.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#1534 Aug 1, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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The Spanish did the inquisition.
Protestants were lynching blacks in the South.
You are lumping ALL Muslims together, you can't split hairs when it comes to Christians.
YES you can...why do you think they split up?

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#1535 Aug 1, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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YES you can...why do you think they split up?
Do you think there is only one Muslim sect?

Think again. And Islam is much younger than Christianity. When Christianity was as old as Islam is now, for all practical purposes there was only one church.

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Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#1536 Aug 1, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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YES you can...why do you think they split up?
Then you have a problem with a very small slice of Islam, and no problem with the rest of Islam. Right?

Or do you have a double standard about other religions?

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Since: May 08

Melbourne, Australia

#1537 Aug 1, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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Then you have a problem with a very small slice of Islam, and no problem with the rest of Islam. Right?
Or do you have a double standard about other religions?
Of course he does. I think there is something apropos from his favourite book about this. Oh yes:

"And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"

“When you treat people as they ”

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treat you they get offended.

#1538 Aug 2, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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I am currently living in a part of the world where God fearing men and women believe devoutly in one God and that Mohammed was the last and most perfect prophet of that God. They have a book of scripture which they hold to be the perfect Word of God imparted to His Prophet.
Muslim and Christian scholars have been arguing about who is right for 1400 years. Each side is perfectly sure that it is right and the other is wrong. Each can give excellent reasons according to its own standards.
The simple fact is that people on one side listened to their parents and teachers and so did those on the other. Neither has any way to prove that they are right and the others are wrong.
If you were born here, you would be just as Muslim as you are now Christian. I guarantee it.
Reality: If there IS a God, neither of you respect HIS creation. You only respect words written by MEN, you are idolaters of BOOKS, not God. The Bible or the Quran are your Golden Calves.
Scientists take their learning from what the WORLD tells us and if God created that world then THEY, not scripture worshippers, are the true lovers of God and His creation. They look for the secrets of the universe itself, and they regard evidence from that universe as the true and final arbiter of all questions.
Blessed be the scientists, for they are lovers of truth. Cursed be the book idolaters, for they are liars.
There are around 40,000 different christian sects each interpreting over 200 different versions of the babble in slightly different ways and each believe that only their sect is right

There are around 20 different versions of the Qur’an, for a book that claims it cannot be changed this is pretty amazing. There are 70 odd different sects of Islam that break down into 2 (or 4) basic divisions, the main difference being whether it was one guy or another who inherited Mohammed’s power

Science makes discoveries that may modify or validate older science. If that older science is modified or even shown to be inaccurate a scientist will admit (sometimes reluctantly) when he has been proven wrong, and consider the new science as worthy of his attention. Unlike the religious who will lie through the teeth and have even been known to commit murder (and genocide) to compound their lies. After all, such behaviour is taught in the Tanakh, and hence the OT and Qur’an. The followers of Abrahamic religions are taught such behaviour is acceptable from childhood.

“When you treat people as they ”

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treat you they get offended.

#1539 Aug 2, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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If Islamist, who follow the Quran, are really worshipping the same God as the Holy Bible, then why are they set on killing Jews and Christians who do follow the Holy Bible?
Because it's not the same God, that's why.
They think it's alright to have verses telling them to chop off heads and hands of Jews and Infidels.
BTW, Mohammed claimed to be possessed by a demon of satan and that some verses he admitted were satanic,(if that gives more clues).
Your stupidity and ignorance on the causes and continuation of the Arab/Israeli conflict is quite pathetic.

You moron of course it’s the same god, it’s the abrahmic god as is written in the Tanakh. Just because you interpret the carefully selected chapters of the Tanakh (i.e. the OT) in a different way than Jews and Moslems do simply means you are interpreting in a different way.

The babble teaches child murder is fine, after all your god can do it.

And genocide is fine, after all your god can do it.

Rape, slavery and theft is fine, after all your god condones it and gives instructions to commit these atrocities.

The babble teaches that it’s fine to kill (in huge numbers) non believers, so what you are saying is that it’s fine for christians but not for moslems?

Hypocrite much?

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#1540 Aug 2, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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If Islamist, who follow the Quran, are really worshipping the same God as the Holy Bible, then why are they set on killing Jews and Christians who do follow the Holy Bible?
Because it's not the same God, that's why.
They think it's alright to have verses telling them to chop off heads and hands of Jews and Infidels.
BTW, Mohammed claimed to be possessed by a demon of satan and that some verses he admitted were satanic,(if that gives more clues).
I see you missed the point entirely.

And, beside the point, but you are sorely misinformed about chopping off heads and hands - there is absolutely no passage giving permission to do that to anyone because they are Christians or Jews. In fact Islam by its own law extends far more toleration to Jews and Christians than Christians doctrine allows to other religions.

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#1541 Aug 2, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
Science makes discoveries that may modify or validate older science. If that older science is modified or even shown to be inaccurate a scientist will admit (sometimes reluctantly) when he has been proven wrong, and consider the new science as worthy of his attention. Unlike the religious who will lie through the teeth and have even been known to commit murder (and genocide) to compound their lies. After all, such behaviour is taught in the Tanakh, and hence the OT and Qur’an. The followers of Abrahamic religions are taught such behaviour is acceptable from childhood.
I agree.

The fundamental difference is that empirical evidence, not "scripture by revelation" is considered the final arbiter of truth.
MIDutch

Sterling Heights, MI

#1542 Aug 2, 2013
This tread was started July 2009. Over 4 years ago. I'll bet that our "creationist friends" are UNABLE to offer a single shred of research or empirical evidence in support of their "creation science" that was produced in that time.

Ignorance and lies? Sure. They produce those by the ark-load, but SCIENCE? Not in a million years.

FYI willfully ignorant opinions of why the ToE is "wrong" is NOT the same thing as scientific research and empirical evidence demonstrating why "creation science" is "right".

Of course, "fundamentalist xristian creationists" are usually too willfully ignorant to know the difference.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#1543 Aug 2, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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The Spanish did the inquisition.
Protestants were lynching blacks in the South.
You are lumping ALL Muslims together, you can't split hairs when it comes to Christians.
The Spanish were killing anyone who wouldn't convert to Catholicism.

The Jews collected money for Christopher Columbus to find them a new place to live besides where the Spanish Catholics were killing them for not converting.

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The Christian and Jewish Bibles are the same.

The Catholic Bible is different.

The Quran is different.
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#1544 Aug 2, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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I see you missed the point entirely.
And, beside the point, but you are sorely misinformed about chopping off heads and hands - there is absolutely no passage giving permission to do that to anyone because they are Christians or Jews. In fact Islam by its own law extends far more toleration to Jews and Christians than Christians doctrine allows to other religions.
Here are just a few scriptures of hatred and murder that is preached, allowed and commanded in the Quran. It is the opposite of the Holy Bible.

47:4 Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been God's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of God,- He will never let their deeds be lost.

48:29: "Those who follow Muhammad are merciless for the unbelievers but kind to each other."

60:4: We have renounced you; and enmity and hatred is begun between us and you for ever, until ye believe in Allah alone
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#1545 Aug 2, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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I see you missed the point entirely.
And, beside the point, but you are sorely misinformed about chopping off heads and hands - there is absolutely no passage giving permission to do that to anyone because they are Christians or Jews. In fact Islam by its own law extends far more toleration to Jews and Christians than Christians doctrine allows to other religions.
Here are more verses from the Quran that allow the murder of Jews and Christians.

Hadith:
Bukhari (52:177)- Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Sura:

[5.33] The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,

[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

Quran (8:12)- "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" (No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.)

[2.135] And they say: Be Jews or Christians, you will be on the right course. Say: Nay!(we follow) the religion of Ibrahim, the Hanif, and he was not one of the polytheists.

[4.160] Wherefore for the iniquity of those who are Jews did We disallow to them the good things which had been made lawful for them and for their hindering many (people) from Allah's way.

Remember that the Quran does not believe Jesus is the Son of God and the Jews haven't accepted His first coming, so that's not their reason for hating Jews.

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