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Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#121 Oct 27, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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Jesus had full access to the Torah, and got his knowledge of Adam and Eve from that
Adam and Eve as written in the Bible did not exist...too many science discoveries that disprove the Biblical myth.
jesus was one social level up from a dung hauler. he would not have been literate. what he knew of the Torah would all have been told to him by those that controlled it.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#122 Oct 27, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text> Please check your assumptions. What was the salinity of the oceans at the time of the great flood?
Irony meter go boom.

That's like asking what the salinity of the ocean was when Peter Pan defeated Captain Hook.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#123 Oct 27, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text> No. It means that you don't believe in the creationist by the name of Jesus. You must know, in the gospels, Jesus clearly affirms His belief in the historicity of Adam and Eve.
Unless he was using it as an allegorical tale.

Of course the Catholics say the Bible must be read like this.

The Protestants say the Bible must be read like that.

The SDA's say the Bible must be read their way.

Shoob the great big liar for Jesus says it must be read the Shoob way.

Problem is that none take it literally. And no claim is more valid than the other. Which is why it sucks as a historical/scientific tome.

Therefore any claims it makes that cannot be verified (such as all the magic bits, including your silly little flood) can be dismissed as the mythical superstitions of ancient religious peoples.

Ironically you'd be more at home with them than you are in the 21st century.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#124 Oct 27, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text> Here are some facts that you can discuss with your fellow atheists at your next emergency meeting on truth subversion tactics: Dinosaur Soft Tissue Sequenced; Similar to Chicken Proteins: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/...
You should also mention it to your therapist.
I see you're lying for Jesus again. He is correct that no DNA was found. What was found was DRIED collagen - a very stable protein. Some things to consider are that it was hermetically sealed inside solid rock away from the elements were bacteria couldn't get in to munch down on it to cause it to degrade. Another point is that the proteins being similar to chickens, thus strengthening the dinosaur-bird connection. Not exactly something most creationists wanna hear. Now most fundies are using this find as evidence that the Earth is 6,000 years old, despite all evidence to the contrary. Not quite sure how you're using it but then your opinion doesn't matter since even other fundies know you're off your rocker.

Either way however, it does not affect the validity of evolution. For if you claim the Earth is young then this evidence does not affect the evidence for common ancestry but rather the age of the Earth. In which case evolution happened really fast. If the Earth is still old and you're claiming that T-Rex's died only recently due to the flood then this still doesn't address the evidence for common ancestry, and just means that Rex was closely related to birds. Plus as a Flood AND Adam and Eve proponent, you are obliged to accept evolution, just that it happens really fast. As both scenarios require exactly that to happen.

Of course all this will mean to fundies is that you have to dance through all sorts of hoops of BS you made up yourself in order to justify your anti-reality claims that evolution is false. But none of your apologetics has any bearing on reality. Evolution occurred, Adam and Eve never existed, global flood never happened. Unless Goddidit with magic in which case you can't ever demonstrate your claims as they are not scientific. They are on a par with the Cosmic Sheep farting the universe into existence. You will of course attempt to make the same accusation towards us but then you will fail, just as happens every single time you show up.

I know you think your baseless religious opinions are important, Shoob, but the fact is you're no different to any other fundie we have around here. You're a liar and you're wrong, period. Since you don't have the ability to change reality itself there is nothing to change that.

Sorry if you don't like it.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#125 Oct 27, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Irony meter go boom.
That's like asking what the salinity of the ocean was when Peter Pan defeated Captain Hook.
33ppt. very salty as pirates have a 'salty' demeanor by definition....

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#126 Oct 27, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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He does not necessarily not "believe in" the creationist named Jesus. He may believe that there was a real person named Jesus.
Your claim that he was a creationist is very strong evidence that he was not the son of God or a deity of any sort. A deity would know the history of the Earth.
Most Christians know that Jesus used allegories all of the time so his references to Adam and Eve, Noah, and other myths of the Bible were simply allegory. They were not references to a fact.
Exactly, I view such references to be allegorical. He was trying to teach his followers.

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#127 Oct 27, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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Tangled bank presented many verses that promote evolution.
And it's not done to quote the stolen scriptures with the same vile book that kills god.
To Shubee, the greek version about god and reading not GOD in the second part but HE.
Otherwise verse 31 the verb legein saying is without anyone or them stating /saying it.
So the way it is stated in the New Testament versions is very different from the early greek. iesous was not even mentioned.
God deciding to off himself is also rather weird.
Slight oversight when the flood came?
Enormous remorse, shame for being who he was?
Anasthasius churhfather and inventor of the trinity revoked it on his deathbed.
Tangled Bank is surely missed. He brought a lot to the forum.

There is so much about the Bible that has been misinterpreted, mistranlated and abused that it is hard to consider it as more than allegory, though I do like the historical value of some portions and the poetry others.

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#128 Oct 27, 2013
spirit warrior wrote:
The bible has so many contradictions in it one has to wonder why some take it seriously.
Lets look the ark of Noah. To have enough room for 8 people to live along with two of every animal and for the different foods(vegetation and meats) for them all to live on for approximately a year, the ark would have had to been larger than any ship/tanker ever built. Now meats and vegetation can't stay good for a year, well maybe some frozen could but that was not an option back in Noah's time. So did they also have on board the ark large gardens, large fruit orchards and farms to grow crop and slaughter meat? Not to mention only 8 people could not keep up maintaining a ship and keeping it livable for all those animals. Noah would have had to build smaller arks to go to the other continents to retrieve those animals that resided there as well. Seems pretty far fetched if you ask me.
Noah's Ark has always bothered me because ... God intended to destroy everyone on this earth, but decided not to even when He knew we would be right back at square one again soon there after.????

Also, there were plenty of people destroyed for less than some of his chosen got away with.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Since: Jun 11

Santorini Greece

#129 Oct 29, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>jesus was one social level up from a dung hauler. he would not have been literate. what he knew of the Torah would all have been told to him by those that controlled it.
Being illiterate...possible, but we don't really know. Lack of any writings by him is telling. From the research I've done, most Hebrews were literate by about 600 BC (reading mostly).

And yes If he couldn't read; Of course he would be taught the Torah, or should have been.

However the thing that really bothers me is that we know there wasn't a Adam and Eve couple, as written in the Bible, to commit the "Original Sin' that Paul made up....so just what was the need for him?

The whole thing just doesn't make sense in light of the absence of Adam and Eve.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Since: Jun 11

Santorini Greece

#130 Oct 29, 2013
Tehee Candor wrote:
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Noah's Ark has always bothered me because ... God intended to destroy everyone on this earth, but decided not to even when He knew we would be right back at square one again soon there after.????
Also, there were plenty of people destroyed for less than some of his chosen got away with.
The fact that there was never a Noachian Flood is proven beyond doubt.

Scientists of the day (naturalists) in the late 1600's were already noticing that the evidence in the earth did not support the Biblical myth.

The only people holding on to the story as factual are the evangelical fundamentalists.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#131 Oct 29, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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Being illiterate...possible, but we don't really know. Lack of any writings by him is telling. From the research I've done, most Hebrews were literate by about 600 BC (reading mostly).
And yes If he couldn't read; Of course he would be taught the Torah, or should have been.
However the thing that really bothers me is that we know there wasn't a Adam and Eve couple, as written in the Bible, to commit the "Original Sin' that Paul made up....so just what was the need for him?
The whole thing just doesn't make sense in light of the absence of Adam and Eve.
no shit? their literacy rates were that high? i would not have thunk it. thank you for correcting me.
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#132 Oct 30, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
The fact that there was never a Noachian Flood is proven beyond doubt.
Where's the proof?

“The strength of science is”

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Since: Jan 11

founded in facts.

#133 Oct 30, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text> Where's the proof?
Would it matter? It could be brought in by the truckload and you would just deny it and talk about your theory of quantum bullshit.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#134 Oct 30, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text> Where's the proof?
all across our planet.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#135 Oct 31, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text> Where's the proof?
We are here.

If it happened, NOBODY would be here.

“I am the great an powerful Ny!”

Since: Dec 06

Lebanon, PA

#136 Oct 31, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text> Where's the proof?
It's in the empty bin out in the hall marked "Evidence of Global Flood".

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Since: Jan 11

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#137 Nov 9, 2013
llDayo wrote:
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It's in the empty bin out in the hall marked "Evidence of Global Flood".
I missed this one. I will have to remember it for future use. Your permission of course.

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Since: Dec 06

Lebanon, PA

#138 Nov 12, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>I missed this one. I will have to remember it for future use. Your permission of course.
No problem! Just don't use it to gain sexual favors though. That's what money is for.

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