Genetic 'Adam' and 'Eve' Uncovered - ...

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#264 Aug 20, 2014
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>I don't think God decided to create people in his own image until later, about 6018 years ago. This is relatively recent in earth history. It's possible that is because God knew an asteroid would hit the earth or that there would be an ice age. I think these actions are on the part of the husband of the Lord, which is omnipotent and is the forces in nature. God would've had to start over anyway.
A little late I know.....

Susan, the last major ice age was fully over by roughly 10,000 BC....that's 12,000 years ago.

The asteroid you are talking about that killed off the dinosaurs, hit the earth about 65,000,000
years ago. The dinosaurs were gone Looooonngg before humans made their first earthly appearance

Modern humans made their first appearance about 200,000 years ago. There is no genetic/DNA evidence at all of what you are saying about Adam and Eve.

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#265 Aug 22, 2014
thewordofme wrote:
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A little late I know.....
Susan, the last major ice age was fully over by roughly 10,000 BC....that's 12,000 years ago.
The asteroid you are talking about that killed off the dinosaurs, hit the earth about 65,000,000
years ago. The dinosaurs were gone Looooonngg before humans made their first earthly appearance
Modern humans made their first appearance about 200,000 years ago. There is no genetic/DNA evidence at all of what you are saying about Adam and Eve.
In Genesis 6:4 it talks about "giants" in the earth which are called in Hebrew "nephilim" who existed at the time of the flood. These are the dinosaurs and the flood killed off the remnant of them. The flood was the last cataclysmic event that affected life on earth. I am a fundamentalist and I'll take Gods word for that. I do not believe everything the bible says but I believe it is generally reliable. Modern man was created in the image and likeness of God about 6000 years ago.

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#266 Aug 22, 2014
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>In Genesis 6:4 it talks about "giants" in the earth which are called in Hebrew "nephilim" who existed at the time of the flood. These are the dinosaurs and the flood killed off the remnant of them. The flood was the last cataclysmic event that affected life on earth. I am a fundamentalist and I'll take Gods word for that. I do not believe everything the bible says but I believe it is generally reliable. Modern man was created in the image and likeness of God about 6000 years ago.
lol
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#267 Aug 23, 2014
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>In Genesis 6:4 it talks about "giants" in the earth which are called in Hebrew "nephilim" who existed at the time of the flood. These are the dinosaurs and the flood killed off the remnant of them. The flood was the last cataclysmic event that affected life on earth. I am a fundamentalist and I'll take Gods word for that. I do not believe everything the bible says but I believe it is generally reliable. Modern man was created in the image and likeness of God about 6000 years ago.
Facts and evidence is alien to creationists, even when it comes to the bible.

Numbers 13:32-33English Standard Version (ESV)

"32 So they brought to the people of Israel a bad report of the land that they had spied out, saying,“The land, through which we have gone to spy it out, is a land that devours its inhabitants, and all the people that we saw in it are of great height. 33 And there we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak, who come from the Nephilim), and we seemed to ourselves like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.”

No dinosaurs. just giant people.
And there is not a single theological interpretations that says otherwise: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim#Interpr...

The bible has been interpreted as many times as there are believers (other than in strict cults where you are brainwashed to one particular one).

Here's just the billionth interpretation. But wrong to the very wording of the biblical texts.

So you don't take god word's for it. You just invent new things randomly to squash 21st scientific reality into bronze age mythology. That won't work.

By the way there was no global flood 4,500 years ago. It has been thoroughly debunked by modern geology and physics and even very logic. The simple reason is because we never see traces of it. That's another reason why your bible is not the word of god. Unless He was wrong about geology of course. You choose. Noah's story has an almost identical copy in the Gilgamesh Epic. Only that the Gilgamesh Epic is an older book. Weren't the Jews not in exile in Babylonia, where the Epic was written, Susan?
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#268 Aug 23, 2014
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>The life forms that God created before the renewal of the earth 6018 years ago were experimental. God will only kill the wicked, those who have committed a deadly sin or will not repent. There will be three judgments by fire. First the enemies of God, then the wicked, then Christians. Angels will inhabit the earth and it may be that all flesh will be cut off.
Kill! Kill! Kill!
You said you were a fundamentalist?
Well I think we can miss talibaan like toothache. Whether it being Christian or Muslim of WTF else.
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#269 Aug 23, 2014
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>There was at least one ice age and the destruction caused by a meteor which wiped out most of the dinosaur population. The last renewal will be by fire. God promised there would never be another massive flood, not that God wouldn't eventually destroy all the wicked again. Instead of just eight survivors, there will be a 3% survival rate. Isaiah 24:6.
The asteroid, nor meteor impact was 65 million years ago.
That one wiped away the already declining dinosaur clade.
The last ice age started about 110,000 and ended 12,000 years ago.

Destroy! Destroy! Destroy!
A staggering 3% will survive! How merciful after the 8 survivors of the flood.
And of course our pious Christians ALWAYS will lend our ever loving Lord a little hand, as history demonstrates.
TurkanaBoy

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#270 Aug 23, 2014
Typo in last post: "not meteor inpact"

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#271 Aug 23, 2014
TurkanaBoy wrote:
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The asteroid, nor meteor impact was 65 million years ago.
That one wiped away the already declining dinosaur clade.
The last ice age started about 110,000 and ended 12,000 years ago.
Destroy! Destroy! Destroy!
A staggering 3% will survive! How merciful after the 8 survivors of the flood.
And of course our pious Christians ALWAYS will lend our ever loving Lord a little hand, as history demonstrates.
Did you hear about the archaeologist who discovered a dinosaur fossil with soft tissue? I don't remember exactly what was said, but it's proof for dinosaurs existing thousands of years ago, not millions. Nephilim simply means "giant" which the dinosaurs were.

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#272 Aug 23, 2014
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Did you hear about the archaeologist who discovered a dinosaur fossil with soft tissue? I don't remember exactly what was said, but it's proof for dinosaurs existing thousands of years ago, not millions. Nephilim simply means "giant" which the dinosaurs were.
Yes tens of thousands of dinosaur fossilized bone existed thousands of years ago, and millions of years ago (64-270) million years ago they were alive. But there were no living dinosaurs since 64 million years ago. Well unless you count the ones in the Flintstones.

The biblical description of the Nephilim in Genesis 6:4 is...

"There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

Do you think that what YOU are describing?
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#273 Aug 23, 2014
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Did you hear about the archaeologist who discovered a dinosaur fossil with soft tissue? I don't remember exactly what was said, but it's proof for dinosaurs existing thousands of years ago, not millions. Nephilim simply means "giant" which the dinosaurs were.
What has this to do with the things I wrote?
BACK to the issues, Susan, don't dodge.
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#274 Aug 23, 2014
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Did you hear about the archaeologist who discovered a dinosaur fossil with soft tissue? I don't remember exactly what was said, but it's proof for dinosaurs existing thousands of years ago, not millions. Nephilim simply means "giant" which the dinosaurs were.
No, Nephilim DOES NOT "only" mean giant, AS PROVED.
Don't twist and distort.
The bible is clear and all the theological exegeses on it.
You better start to read you Babble better.

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#275 Aug 23, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Yes tens of thousands of dinosaur fossilized bone existed thousands of years ago, and millions of years ago (64-270) million years ago they were alive. But there were no living dinosaurs since 64 million years ago. Well unless you count the ones in the Flintstones.
The biblical description of the Nephilim in Genesis 6:4 is...
"There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."
Do you think that what YOU are describing?
The "sons of God" and the "daughters of men" just means the wicked and the righteous. After A&E's sin, the wicked were to rule over the righteous and the men over the women. By having mixed couples, all of humanity was corrupted. I think the Anakim were also said to be very tall, and of course Goliath. Satan (Adam) is also tall, 6' 4".

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#276 Aug 23, 2014
TurkanaBoy wrote:
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The asteroid, nor meteor impact was 65 million years ago.
That one wiped away the already declining dinosaur clade.
The last ice age started about 110,000 and ended 12,000 years ago.
Destroy! Destroy! Destroy!
A staggering 3% will survive! How merciful after the 8 survivors of the flood.
And of course our pious Christians ALWAYS will lend our ever loving Lord a little hand, as history demonstrates.
Part of VWD Day is destruction. There will be 3 judgments by fire. In Christianity, only 144,000 will ultimately be saved. You have better odds with me. 3% of 7 billion is 210 million. I call this "Judgment Day" because most of humanity will be cut off. Judgment day is the day you die.
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#277 Aug 23, 2014
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>The "sons of God" and the "daughters of men" just means the wicked and the righteous. After A&E's sin, the wicked were to rule over the righteous and the men over the women. By having mixed couples, all of humanity was corrupted. I think the Anakim were also said to be very tall, and of course Goliath. Satan (Adam) is also tall, 6' 4".
Please stay in touch with the discussion, Susan and don't fly away in your bronze age mythology book.

Aura Mytha was talking about the age of extinction of the dinosaurs and he, like I did, quoted the bible literally on how we may see the Nephies.

Stay in touch with reality, Susan, instead of confabulating the bronze age stuff.
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#278 Aug 23, 2014
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Part of VWD Day is destruction. There will be 3 judgments by fire. In Christianity, only 144,000 will ultimately be saved. You have better odds with me. 3% of 7 billion is 210 million. I call this "Judgment Day" because most of humanity will be cut off. Judgment day is the day you die.
Yes and Lucky Luke draw his pistol and shot faster than his shadow, Joe Dalton didn't stand a chance. Prison dog Rataplan bit Averell in the ankle, preventing him eating his chicken drumstick.

OK, nice to hear how we all be KILLED! KILLED! KILLED! en masse.

Now, back to reality, shall we?

The dinosaurs got extinct 65 million years ago and last ice age started about 110,000 and ended 12,000 years ago.

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#279 Aug 23, 2014
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>The "sons of God" and the "daughters of men" just means the wicked and the righteous. After A&E's sin, the wicked were to rule over the righteous and the men over the women. By having mixed couples, all of humanity was corrupted. I think the Anakim were also said to be very tall, and of course Goliath. Satan (Adam) is also tall, 6' 4".
You know nothing of the book of Enoch, then you know nothing of the giants and watchers.
Educate yourself and then present this argument, at this time you are "ignorant".

Those fallen angels even had names.

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#280 Aug 23, 2014
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>The "sons of God" and the "daughters of men" just means the wicked and the righteous. After A&E's sin, the wicked were to rule over the righteous and the men over the women. By having mixed couples, all of humanity was corrupted. I think the Anakim were also said to be very tall, and of course Goliath. Satan (Adam) is also tall, 6' 4".
I will even help you, know this is in the bible...just not your version of the bible.

http://www.ccel.org/c/charles/otpseudepig/eno...

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#281 Aug 23, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
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I will even help you, know this is in the bible...just not your version of the bible.
http://www.ccel.org/c/charles/otpseudepig/eno...
I think the book of Enoch is NT Apocrypha. I'm really not interested in it. Now if you can find a book before the advent of Jesus, in OT times, that for some reason was not canonized, I would be very interested. There are a lot of prophecies that are not in the bible. I'm pretty sure Elijah must have had a book.

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#282 Aug 23, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> You know nothing of the book of Enoch, then you know nothing of the giants and watchers.
Educate yourself and then present this argument, at this time you are "ignorant".
Those fallen angels even had names.
I choose to remain ignorant when it comes to the NT. I have a whole theology built upon the OT and reading things related to Christianity would only confuse things. I consider the NT to be "mind pollution". Satan and Lucifer are the only "fallen angels". They have been kicked out of heaven and reincarnated. This time, they will both go to hell.

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#283 Aug 23, 2014
TurkanaBoy wrote:
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Yes and Lucky Luke draw his pistol and shot faster than his shadow, Joe Dalton didn't stand a chance. Prison dog Rataplan bit Averell in the ankle, preventing him eating his chicken drumstick.
OK, nice to hear how we all be KILLED! KILLED! KILLED! en masse.
Now, back to reality, shall we?
The dinosaurs got extinct 65 million years ago and last ice age started about 110,000 and ended 12,000 years ago.
There was soft tissue found on a dinosaur fossil. It must have been frozen, I would think. This indicates a recent death of the animal. Recent meaning thousands of years, not millions. Gods last extinction came about by a vast flood. The next extinction will be by fire.

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