Evolution is intelligent design

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#202 Nov 29, 2013
Evolution with mutations and time is the designer. DNA is the blueprint and genes are the builder. Change the blueprint(DNA) with mutations over time and the builder(genes) will build a new design.

http://www.livescience.com/topics/dna-genes/

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#203 Nov 29, 2013
DarkBlue wrote:
Evolution with mutations and time is the designer. DNA is the blueprint and genes are the builder. Change the blueprint(DNA) with mutations over time and the builder(genes) will build a new design.
http://www.livescience.com/topics/dna-genes/

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#204 Nov 29, 2013
DarkBlue wrote:
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Evolution is the designer. DNA is the blueprint and the builder. Change the blueprint and you change the design the builder will build. You are thinking too hard on it. Get away from your God or no God BS arguments.
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#205 Nov 29, 2013
DarkBlue wrote:
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Your mistake is trying to put a "who" behind the designer. It is not a "who" but a "what" The "what" being evolution. Evolution is what designs each species over time. Evolution takes the old species with added mutations to the DNA and over time designs a new species more suitable for the environment and survival.
Break away from your creation vs evolution crap and you will see that evolution is the designer of the new species. You are so stuck and on a one track mind of "Goddidit" that you hate as a phrase and see not possible because you are blind. Whether evolution is natural or has a power behind it, evolution is what, through mutations and over time, designs the new/future species. You don't adapt from a dinosaur to a chicken unless your design is changed. That design is changed via mutation to the DNA, through generations and over time a new species design arises.
I said it before and I will say it again. The creationists won't except that evolution is the designer because they fight evolution and the evolutionists won't except evolution as the designer because they fight design. You take a species living in the environment, the environment changes, mutations occur to the DNA, they are passed to offspring, more mutations occur and are passed on to offspring and over time a new species arises.
So again evolution using mutations, passed on and added to over generations, over periods of time, design new species.

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#206 Nov 29, 2013
Refuted only by mere words based on dislike of design or an idea of a God.

Evolution with mutations and time is the designer. DNA is the blueprint and genes are the builder. A few mutations to the blueprint(DNA)and the builder(genes) modify the design via less fur/more fur, color change, etc which is simple change, yet same species. Change the blueprint(DNA) with many mutations over time and the builder(genes) will build a new design i.e. new species.

That is what happens. You know it and I know it.

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#207 Nov 29, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Previously refuted BY DEFINITION.
What does DNA do? DNA controls the structure and function of the entire body. It’s in every cell. It contains genes that control protein production.

What do genes do? Genes control the proteins which determine the genetic make-up an individual. They determine traits such as hair color, eye color, bone size, what disease you are likely to get, to color blindness, etc.

Which goes right back to: Evolution with mutations and time is the designer. DNA is the blueprint and genes are the builder. A few mutations to the blueprint(DNA)and the builder(genes) modify the design via less fur/more fur, color change, etc which is simple change, yet same species. Change the blueprint(DNA) with many mutations over time and the builder(genes) will build a new design i.e. new species.

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#208 Nov 29, 2013
DarkBlue wrote:
Refuted only by mere words based on dislike of design or an idea of a God.
Evolution with mutations and time is the designer. DNA is the blueprint and genes are the builder. A few mutations to the blueprint(DNA)and the builder(genes) modify the design via less fur/more fur, color change, etc which is simple change, yet same species. Change the blueprint(DNA) with many mutations over time and the builder(genes) will build a new design i.e. new species.
That is what happens. You know it and I know it.

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#209 Nov 29, 2013
DarkBlue wrote:
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What does DNA do? DNA controls the structure and function of the entire body. It’s in every cell. It contains genes that control protein production.
What do genes do? Genes control the proteins which determine the genetic make-up an individual. They determine traits such as hair color, eye color, bone size, what disease you are likely to get, to color blindness, etc.
Which goes right back to: Evolution with mutations and time is the designer. DNA is the blueprint and genes are the builder. A few mutations to the blueprint(DNA)and the builder(genes) modify the design via less fur/more fur, color change, etc which is simple change, yet same species. Change the blueprint(DNA) with many mutations over time and the builder(genes) will build a new design i.e. new species.

Previously refuted by definition.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#210 Nov 29, 2013
DarkBlue wrote:
Refuted only by mere words based on dislike of design or an idea of a God.
Evolution with mutations and time is the designer. DNA is the blueprint and genes are the builder. A few mutations to the blueprint(DNA)and the builder(genes) modify the design via less fur/more fur, color change, etc which is simple change, yet same species. Change the blueprint(DNA) with many mutations over time and the builder(genes) will build a new design i.e. new species.
That is what happens. You know it and I know it.
Don't have a CLUE what natural selection is or how it works WITH gene mutations, do you?

You've got a lot of crust accusing anyone ELSE here of working an agenda, Jesus Freak. LOL
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#211 Nov 29, 2013
DarkBlue wrote:
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Evolution is the designer. DNA is the blueprint and the builder. Change the blueprint and you change the design the builder will build. You are thinking too hard on it. Get away from your God or no God BS arguments.f
We are not arguing "God or no God" but actually explaining how the Theory of Evolution tells us that species grow and diversify, in brief:

Evolution = Genetic change (by mutation, sexual recombination and genetic drift) PLUS the filtering action of natural selection.

But you, Jesus Freak, cannot work your agenda if you take natural selection into consideration, because you know it works randomly and unconsciously and could never be a part of any "design."

Deathly afraid of it, aren't you?

LOL

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#212 Nov 29, 2013
Gillette wrote:
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Don't have a CLUE what natural selection is or how it works WITH gene mutations, do you?
You've got a lot of crust accusing anyone ELSE here of working an agenda, Jesus Freak. LOL
Tell me what natural selection is and I will open your eyes to something.

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#213 Nov 29, 2013
DarkBlue wrote:
Evolution with mutations and time is the designer.
Once again, you are misusing the word "designer".

A designer _MUST_ be autonomous of the design.
Evolution is a PROCESS.

You can not cite evolution as both the designer and the result of the design.

This is fairly simple. Is there someone there who speaks English?

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#214 Nov 29, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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Once again, you are misusing the word "designer".
A designer _MUST_ be autonomous of the design.
Evolution is a PROCESS.
You can not cite evolution as both the designer and the result of the design.
This is fairly simple. Is there someone there who speaks English?
Autonomous is nothing more than a man-made word. Do you think the wind and the clouds are autonomous of the designs they make in the sky? Do you think nature is autonomous in the design of each snowflake? That's right they are not. But yet each cloud is uniquely designed same as each snowflake is uniquely designed.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#216 Nov 30, 2013
DarkBlue wrote:
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Tell me what natural selection is and I will open your eyes to something.
I doubt you will open anyone's eyes to anything but your fairly obvious Christian agenda and I know I'm wasting my time here, but...:)

Imagine a population of millions of rabbits in a forested region of northern Canada. Nearly all of them are brown. Why? No, not because Jesus loves bunnies and designed them that way,

Evolution = Genetic change (by mutation, sexual recombination and genetic drift) PLUS the filtering action of natural selection.

So when an occasional rabbit is born with a genetic mutation for WHITE fur, that rabbit lives its life at a huge disadvantage in a green and brown forest, because it is MUCH more visible to hawks, eagles, foxes and other predators.

While one white individual might survive to have many litters and pass that white fur gene on, on the whole, the sub-population of white rabbits will tend to get eaten MUCH earlier than brown ones -- perhaps before they ever reproduce -- so that gene for white fur does not get spread widely through the mass population of that species of rabbit.

This is natural selection. The environment will naturally filter out those with genes that are not helpful to the evolution of the species as a whole.

Not a conscious, deliberate act by a conscious being.

Now, in the future, if an ice age begins and ice and snow move down into that Canadian forest, those rabbits born with the gene for brown or black fur will themselves be at a huge disadvantage vis-a-vis predators, and gradually over time, that species of rabbit will become almost completely WHITE rabbits, as you can see in polar regions.

That is how the evolutionary mechanism of natural selection works. It is the antithesis of "design."
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#217 Nov 30, 2013
DarkBlue wrote:
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...each snowflake is uniquely designed.
How do you know its "designed," except for your religious pre-disposition to believe so?

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#218 Nov 30, 2013
Gillette wrote:
<quoted text>Imagine a population of millions of rabbits in a forested region of northern Canada. Nearly all of them are brown. Why? No, not because Jesus loves bunnies and designed them that way,
Evolution = Genetic change (by mutation, sexual recombination and genetic drift) PLUS the filtering action of natural selection.
So when an occasional rabbit is born with a genetic mutation for WHITE fur, that rabbit lives its life at a huge disadvantage in a green and brown forest, because it is MUCH more visible to hawks, eagles, foxes and other predators.
While one white individual might survive to have many litters and pass that white fur gene on, on the whole, the sub-population of white rabbits will tend to get eaten MUCH earlier than brown ones -- perhaps before they ever reproduce -- so that gene for white fur does not get spread widely through the mass population of that species of rabbit.
This is natural selection. The environment will naturally filter out those with genes that are not helpful to the evolution of the species as a whole.
Not a conscious, deliberate act by a conscious being.
Now, in the future, if an ice age begins and ice and snow move down into that Canadian forest, those rabbits born with the gene for brown or black fur will themselves be at a huge disadvantage vis-a-vis predators, and gradually over time, that species of rabbit will become almost completely WHITE rabbits, as you can see in polar regions.
That is how the evolutionary mechanism of natural selection works. It is the antithesis of "design."
Exactly. Natural selection is not a change in design but just a slight modification to the already existing design for better chances of survival in “their environment”.

Natural selection is the gradual process by which biological traits become either more or less common in a population as a function of the effect of inherited traits on the differential reproductive success of organisms interacting with their environment.

Let’s focus on this part of it.“success of organisms interacting with their environment”—“with their environment” This is where variation such as more or less fur, camouflage, bigger or smaller beak comes in play with-in the same species. A bear sized species that lived on land would need more than variations to go live in water and become a whale. Going from land to water is not “interacting with their environment”. It would need to be re-designed over time to live in the “new” environment.

Evolution with mutations and time is the designer. DNA is the blueprint and genes are the builder. A few mutations to the blueprint (DNA) and the builder (genes) modify the design via less fur/more fur, color change, etc which is simple change, yet same species. Change the blueprint (DNA) with many mutations over time and the builder (genes) will build a new design i.e. new species.

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#219 Nov 30, 2013
DarkBlue wrote:
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Exactly. Natural selection is not a change in design but just a slight modification to the already existing design for better chances of survival in “their environment”.
Natural selection is the gradual process by which biological traits become either more or less common in a population as a function of the effect of inherited traits on the differential reproductive success of organisms interacting with their environment.
Let’s focus on this part of it.“success of organisms interacting with their environment”—“with their environment” This is where variation such as more or less fur, camouflage, bigger or smaller beak comes in play with-in the same species. A bear sized species that lived on land would need more than variations to go live in water and become a whale. Going from land to water is not “interacting with their environment”. It would need to be re-designed over time to live in the “new” environment.
Evolution with mutations and time is the designer. DNA is the blueprint and genes are the builder. A few mutations to the blueprint (DNA) and the builder (genes) modify the design via less fur/more fur, color change, etc which is simple change, yet same species. Change the blueprint (DNA) with many mutations over time and the builder (genes) will build a new design i.e. new species.
Wrong, but you don't have the knowledge or the intellectual courage to admit it. This is just a game to you. You get off on feeling that you know something and dragging those that do into your stupidity.

Natural selection is the name applied to the environmental pressures that select for a particular trait through increased fitness of the organism expressing that trait.

Environment is more than just temperature, air pressure, available oxygen, wind, rain, elevation, toxins, biochemical pathways, enzyme specificity and so forth. It is all of these things and much more.

Genes are DNA. Genes/DNA is the code. They code for proteins or they act as regulatory switches. I laugh at how ass backwards your conception of biology is.

My prediction is that you will just replay your corrupted understanding of biology and your erroneous message that evolution is some kind of designer. Oh, well stupid is as stupid does. And you will do.

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#220 Nov 30, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text> Genes are DNA. Genes/DNA is the code. They code for proteins or they act as regulatory switches. I laugh at how ass backwards your conception of biology is.
Genes are a subset of DNA. They differ from each other in many ways. Maybe you need to take a refresher course in biology.
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Environment is more than just temperature, air pressure, available oxygen, wind, rain, elevation, toxins, biochemical pathways, enzyme specificity and so forth. It is all of these things and much more.
And all of that would not change a bear sized land species to become the water living largest mammal, the whale.

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#221 Nov 30, 2013
DarkBlue wrote:
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Tell me what natural selection is and I will open your eyes to something.

If you have something better than the word games and tautology you have offered so far then why have you not offered it before now?

So far you are just misusing words and metaphors in an attempt to make them mean something something they do not.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#222 Nov 30, 2013
DarkBlue wrote:
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Exactly. Natural selection is not a change in design but just a slight modification to the already existing design for better chances of survival in “their environment”.
There IS no "design." And natural selection is not a "designing mechanism" trying to make beneficial changes.

Gradual genetic changes happen throughout the genome of a species unless they are precluded by the non-survival of individuals.

There is no known barrier to these changes accumulating Gradually until, eventually, a new species branches off from the first one.

There is no scientific evidence that any of this is intended or part of a "design."

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