Evolution is intelligent design

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Huntington Beach, CA

#182 Nov 27, 2013
DarkBlue wrote:
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Your whole shape, color of hair, color of eyes etc is from your DNA. Your DNA is what designed you.
Once again for the slower kids.

A designer MUST be autonomous from the design.

DNA can not "design" what DNA is a part of.

If you want to assert a designer, then that designer has to be apart FROM the design, not a part OF the design.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#183 Nov 27, 2013
(((mute scream))) "It's JESUS! It's JESUS! It's JESUS!"

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Since: Apr 08

Lakeland, FL

#184 Nov 27, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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Once again for the slower kids.
A designer MUST be autonomous from the design.
DNA can not "design" what DNA is a part of.
If you want to assert a designer, then that designer has to be apart FROM the design, not a part OF the design.
It's like talking to a friggin brick wall, isn't it?

“It Is What It Is”

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Since: Jul 13

Alberta, Canada

#185 Nov 27, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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Once again for the slower kids.
A designer MUST be autonomous from the design.
DNA can not "design" what DNA is a part of.
If you want to assert a designer, then that designer has to be apart FROM the design, not a part OF the design.
Once again for the blind. Evolution is the designer. Using beneficial mutations in DNA and time of passing those mutations to offspring and again gaining new mutations, over time create a newly designed species.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#186 Nov 27, 2013
Evolution is a process, not a designer.

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#187 Nov 27, 2013
DarkBlue wrote:
Once again for the blind. Evolution is the designer. Using beneficial mutations in DNA and time of passing those mutations to offspring and again gaining new mutations, over time create a newly designed species.
You should make that the Official Explanation when you get elected King of Crazyland.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#188 Nov 27, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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Once again for the slower kids.
But Blue is travelling at stop. You're gonna have to make it simpler than that.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#189 Nov 27, 2013
DarkBlue wrote:
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Once again for the blind. Evolution is the designer.
Same question - analogy? Or appeal to Godmagic?

If the former then you still don't understand evolution at all. It's not constantly heading "onwards and upwards".

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#190 Nov 27, 2013
DarkBlue wrote:
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Once again for the blind. Evolution is the designer. Using beneficial mutations in DNA and time of passing those mutations to offspring and again gaining new mutations, over time create a newly designed species.

No.

Google the word 'designer'.

"A PERSON WHO....."

Is DNA a person? No.

Hence DNA does not design.

You have made a common, but not excusable, error of attributing literal meaning to a metaphor.

I will accept your apology.

“It Is What It Is”

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Since: Jul 13

Alberta, Canada

#191 Nov 27, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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No.
Google the word 'designer'.
"A PERSON WHO....."
Is DNA a person? No.
Hence DNA does not design.
You have made a common, but not excusable, error of attributing literal meaning to a metaphor.
I will accept your apology.
Your mistake is trying to put a "who" behind the designer. It is not a "who" but a "what" The "what" being evolution. Evolution is what designs each species over time. Evolution takes the old species with added mutations to the DNA and over time designs a new species more suitable for the environment and survival.

Break away from your creation vs evolution crap and you will see that evolution is the designer of the new species. You are so stuck and on a one track mind of "Goddidit" that you hate as a phrase and see not possible because you are blind. Whether evolution is natural or has a power behind it, evolution is what, through mutations and over time, designs the new/future species. You don't adapt from a dinosaur to a chicken unless your design is changed. That design is changed via mutation to the DNA, through generations and over time a new species design arises.

I said it before and I will say it again. The creationists won't except that evolution is the designer because they fight evolution and the evolutionists won't except evolution as the designer because they fight design. You take a species living in the environment, the environment changes, mutations occur to the DNA, they are passed to offspring, more mutations occur and are passed on to offspring and over time a new species arises.

So again evolution using mutations, passed on and added to over generations, over periods of time, design new species.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#192 Nov 28, 2013
Someone fetch me a batch of kittens.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#193 Nov 28, 2013
We've seen it many times here on Topix Evolution -- the slightly whacko Christian who thinks he can solve the whole "controversy" just by playing a simple word game.

LOL

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Since: Apr 08

Lakeland, FL

#194 Nov 28, 2013
Gillette wrote:
We've seen it many times here on Topix Evolution -- the slightly whacko Christian who thinks he can solve the whole "controversy" just by playing a simple word game.
LOL
Precisely.

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Level 2

Since: Jul 13

Alberta, Canada

#195 Nov 28, 2013
An adaption example is getting more fur for cold climates and less fur for hot climates. A midsize to large dinosaur becoming a small bird or a pig sized animal becoming the largest mammal in the world, the whale, is not adaption. That is completely a new design.

Adaptations are any behavioral or physical characteristics of an animal that help it to survive in its environment. These characteristics fall into three main categories: body parts, body coverings, and behaviors. Any or all of these types of adaptations play a critical role in the survival of an animal.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#196 Nov 28, 2013
DarkBlue wrote:
An adaption example is getting more fur for cold climates and less fur for hot climates. A midsize to large dinosaur becoming a small bird or a pig sized animal becoming the largest mammal in the world, the whale, is not adaption. That is completely a new design.
Adaptations are any behavioral or physical characteristics of an animal that help it to survive in its environment. These characteristics fall into three main categories: body parts, body coverings, and behaviors. Any or all of these types of adaptations play a critical role in the survival of an animal.
Exactly HOW do these "adaptations" happen? Describe the mechanism(s).
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#197 Nov 28, 2013
Specifically, how does a species, like a rabbit, for instance, actually GET "more fur for cold climates"?

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Since: Sep 07

Huntington Beach, CA

#198 Nov 29, 2013
DarkBlue wrote:
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Once again for the blind. Evolution is the designer. Using beneficial mutations in DNA and time of passing those mutations to offspring and again gaining new mutations, over time create a newly designed species.
Evolution is not a designer, it is the process by which diversity occurs. Organisms are not designed. They are simply the best of random data.

“It Is What It Is”

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Since: Jul 13

Alberta, Canada

#199 Nov 29, 2013
Gillette wrote:
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Exactly HOW do these "adaptations" happen? Describe the mechanism(s).
It is called micro-evolution. Small changes in the DNA that help a species to survive in it's environment without changing the species. Change in beak shape, change in color, change in spots to camouflage, more fur when cold, less fur when warm are examples of micro-evolution via simple mutations. But when a species design is completely changed i.e. size, shape, the environment it lives in, how it breathes, going from land to water, from walking to flying then it becomes a newly designed species for the DNA has been completely restructured and the new design is compatible with the new way of living. It now is designed completely different to live in a completely different environment(land to water or water to land)or to get around completely different (walking to flying).

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Since: Sep 07

Huntington Beach, CA

#200 Nov 29, 2013
DarkBlue wrote:
...it becomes a newly designed species for the DNA has been completely restructured and the new design is compatible with the new way of living.
If the DNA is what is being changed, then the DNA can not be the thing DOING the changes.

Ergo, once again...

A "designer" must be AUTONOMOUS from the "design".

“It Is What It Is”

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Since: Jul 13

Alberta, Canada

#201 Nov 29, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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If the DNA is what is being changed, then the DNA can not be the thing DOING the changes.
Ergo, once again...
A "designer" must be AUTONOMOUS from the "design".
Evolution is the designer. DNA is the blueprint and the builder. Change the blueprint and you change the design the builder will build. You are thinking too hard on it. Get away from your God or no God BS arguments.

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