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Shadow

Moulton, UK

#42 Mar 5, 2012
Nuggin wrote:
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LOL! Nice try. You're pulling out all the stops to try and "prove evolution wrong" in support of your ultra Christian agenda.
Lying about it is par for the course.
Nuggin I have expressed elsewhere that theres no point in me trying to communicate with you, becuase all you want to do is lie, set up false statements and bait me into an arguement. You can not debate what is at hand so you have to go after the posters instead. You know in your head that I am not a Christian and do not believe in God, you know that, but instead you will do reverse psychology to try and discredit me in front of other users. It really doesn;t work. Darwin the man that you defend like a religious fanatic was a theist and in a letter to Asa Gray revealed that he believed the first species on earth were invented by the "creator". It is well known that Darwin was into religion and Christianity that is the man that you love, and all I see from you is bringing religion into nearly every post, it clearly is on your mind, now why is that?. Maybe Christianity is something which you are into, no need to try and put it onto others. No need for you to reply. Its probably time for your bible class though isnt it?:)

Level 7

Since: Sep 07

La Quinta, CA

#43 Mar 5, 2012
Shadow wrote:
I am not a Christian
Then stop using their arguments.

I gave you the check list.

You are scoring EXTREMELY high on the Creationist scale.

Since Creationists frequently deny being Creationists to try and gain credibility, why should we believe you? After all, you're the one arguing for magic.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#44 Mar 6, 2012
Shadow wrote:
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Nuggin I have expressed elsewhere that theres no point in me trying to communicate with you, becuase all you want to do is lie, set up false statements and bait me into an arguement. You can not debate what is at hand so you have to go after the posters instead.
Let's see, you spam BS, you lie, you consistently use inconsistent sources, ignore inconvenient debunkings, spam the same shyt all over again, use sockpuppets, impersonate other posters, you're too ignorant to discuss any of the subjects at hand...

Yup - irony is something you still can't get either.
Shadow wrote:
You know in your head that I am not a Christian and do not believe in God, you know that, but instead you will do reverse psychology to try and discredit me in front of other users.
Too late, you discredited yourself.
Shadow wrote:
It really doesn;t work.
Nope. But you don't learn that, so...
Jdawg

Naples, FL

#45 Oct 14, 2012
Bluenose wrote:
Yet another Shadow sock puppet.
A very impressive list, 24 entries, some of them even biologists. Wow.
</sarcasm mode>
How does that compare with the number of scientists called [url=http://ncse.com/taking-ac tion/project-steve]Steve[/url] that agree with evolution? Oh, bummer for you, there are 1179 as of 7 Nov 2011.
I guess you lose, yet again.
yeah brcause everyone knows msjoritybis alwsys right awesome logic.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#46 Oct 15, 2012
Jdawg wrote:
<quoted text>yeah brcause everyone knows msjoritybis alwsys right awesome logic.
Actually when that majority turns out to be hundreds of thousands of published peer-reviewed scientific papers which have yet to be refuted, then yeah the majority counts in that case.

Level 7

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#47 Oct 15, 2012
Jdawg wrote:
<quoted text>yeah brcause everyone knows msjoritybis alwsys right awesome logic.
No one is saying majority is always right, but when the majority ALSO has all the facts and all the education, what your left with on your side of the debate is one or two contrarians who lack education.

Not exactly a balanced playing field.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#48 Oct 15, 2012
get ur facts right plz wrote:
"Giuseppe Sermonti is a creationist, he definitely is religious so should not be on your list"
This is completey false. Giuseppe Sermonti has publicly denounced being a creationist. Also read his book why a fly is not a horse, the whole point he said he writing that book was the prove that a non religious opposition to darwinism exists.- On the back of his OWN book - "!" The author, Dr. Giuseppe Sermonti, is a respected Italian biologist who boldly shatters the myth that all critics of Darwinian evolution are American religious fundamentalists. This delightful little book is loaded with scientific facts that aren't taught in standard biology classes, but it is also full of history and poetry. Why is a Fly Not a Horse? does not have all the answers, but it asks many of the right questions-in a style that is both entertaining and inspiring. Giuseppe Sermonti is retired Professor of Genetics at the University of Perugia". NOT A CREATIONIST.
"but most of them are probably religious so they also should not be on your list."
none of them are religious!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuseppe_Sermont...

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Along with physicist Antonino Zichichi, Sermonti is considered one of the leading two creationists in Italy.[3] In 1993 Sermonti published in Answers in Genesis's young earth creation magazine, an article entitled "Not from the apes".[4] The young earth creationist Henry M. Morris cited Sermonti (along with Guy Berthault, Roberto Fondi and Wolfgang Smith) as a Roman Catholic creationist in response to John Paul II's 1996 statement on evolution, however, Sermonti has not described himself as either a Roman Catholic or a creationist.[5]

Sermonti has been involved with the intelligent design movement. He is one of the signatories of the Discovery Institute's "A Scientific Dissent From Darwinism", a petition which the intelligent design movement uses to promote intelligent design by attempting to cast doubt on evolution.[6][7]

Sermonti attended the Kansas evolution hearings with the Discovery Institute in 2005 but no transcript of his testimony exists as the court reporter could not understand what he was saying due to his strong Italian accent.[8] His book Dimenticare Darwin (Forget Darwin) was published in 2003 and was translated into English as Why Is a Fly Not a Horse?[9] which was published by the Discovery Institute and edited by Jonathan Wells.

In the book, he denies being a creationist, saying that "For the reservations I harbor about Evolutionism, I have been accused of being a Creationist. I am not: if I am allowed, I would only aspire to being a creature".[10]
Martin J Sallberg

Sweden

#49 Feb 8, 2013
The "neo-Darwinism versus intelligent design" thing is a bullshit false dichotomy. There are paradoxes not explainable by natural selection on random mutations, especially in regards to communication where first individual evolvability paradoxes arise. There is also evidence that organisms rearrange their genomes in non-random ways. Evolution by maximizing the amount of offspring predicts a patently falsified, extremely high borderingon incessant frequency of ecosystem collapses. I recommend the articles "Self-organization" and "Inheritance of acquired characteristics" on topic page "Evolution", the article "Brain" on topic page "Psychology", the article "Moderating the Gaia/Medea debate" on topic page "Climate", and the page "How to avoid hoaxes in science" on http://purescience.wikia.com

“Maccullochella macquariensis”

Since: May 08

Melbourne, Australia

#50 Feb 8, 2013
ROFLLMAO

First, quoting yourself is not a very good debating technique, the "Pure Science" Wiki is a special collection of woo all edited by - wait for it - Martin J Sallberg. Click on the random page link then look at the page history. Do it again. And again. All the edits are by Martin J Sallberg. Some wiki, with only one editor and with an anti science bias to boot. Very convincing. Not.

Listen mate, if you're going to come on a forum like this you should remember that you're not dealing with a bunch of ignorant credulous hicks ready to accept any BS at face value. We are able to look into things ourselves, we have access to all the necessary resources to check things out, and more importantly we know how to evaluate all that information. Your "wiki" is just about as pathetic as Shoobie Doo's nonsense website. Go and fins a creationist forum to promote your crap to, they'll lap it up.

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