Creationism coming to Ohio classrooms...

Creationism coming to Ohio classrooms? Not without a court fight

There are 7 comments on the Cleveland.com story from Aug 22, 2014, titled Creationism coming to Ohio classrooms? Not without a court fight. In it, Cleveland.com reports that:

Kids look at the "Introduction to Man" exhibit at The Cleveland Museum of Natural History back in 2002, when "Intelligent Design" and creationism were a major debate in Ohio.

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“I am evolving as fast as I can”

Since: Jan 08

Brooklyn, in Dayton OH now

#1 Aug 22, 2014
Nice article! Makes it very clear the religious motivations of the Bill's sponsor, well at least one of them.

Fact -- before 2010 Ohio School Standards were fragmented, some high, most low. They were poorly managed and even more poorly enforced. Students who changed districts often found themselves either behind or ahead because of the differences!

One of the reasons the Common Core Standards were adopted by Ohio was to alleviate some of these issues, especially the one of notoriously low standards.

Now the bill's sponsors not only want to return to that poorly managed, barely usable, school standards, but they see it as a way to push their own personal religious agenda.

Hasn't Ohio seen enough of these reprehensible tactics. Leave science as science! Stop the madness before Ohio ranks even lower on scholastic aptitude and ability than it currently does. I guess the sponsor's won't be happy until we are ranked 50th! Do they get God-Brownie points for our school system's failure?
TurkanaBoy

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#2 Aug 22, 2014
TedHOhio wrote:
Nice article! Makes it very clear the religious motivations of the Bill's sponsor, well at least one of them.
Fact -- before 2010 Ohio School Standards were fragmented, some high, most low. They were poorly managed and even more poorly enforced. Students who changed districts often found themselves either behind or ahead because of the differences!
One of the reasons the Common Core Standards were adopted by Ohio was to alleviate some of these issues, especially the one of notoriously low standards.
Now the bill's sponsors not only want to return to that poorly managed, barely usable, school standards, but they see it as a way to push their own personal religious agenda.
Hasn't Ohio seen enough of these reprehensible tactics. Leave science as science! Stop the madness before Ohio ranks even lower on scholastic aptitude and ability than it currently does. I guess the sponsor's won't be happy until we are ranked 50th! Do they get God-Brownie points for our school system's failure?
On schools science has to be taught. Not religion.
Religion has the private homes and churches.

This also applies to private schools.
Star On 47

Columbus, OH

#3 Aug 23, 2014
Other countries don't seem to have this chronic problem. Do we really want to be a Christian Iran? This is the 21st century for crying out loud. Whoever said that scientists are out to disprove God are full of it.

“I am evolving as fast as I can”

Since: Jan 08

Brooklyn, in Dayton OH now

#4 Aug 23, 2014
Star On 47 wrote:
Other countries don't seem to have this chronic problem. Do we really want to be a Christian Iran? This is the 21st century for crying out loud. Whoever said that scientists are out to disprove God are full of it.
It's a tacitc, that's all. Once you make that claim, you can pretty much say anything you want and some core of believers will buy into it completely ... and buy is the right word. Groups like the AIG and ICR aren't funded based on their 'scientific' discoveries.

Creationists use all sorts of reprehensible tactics, and they justify it by claiming they are working for God's good, so even sinful transgressions are ok. Plus many hit a confessional and absolve themselves of any reprehensible act. Must be nice not to feel any personal responsibility!
Star On 47

Columbus, OH

#5 Aug 24, 2014
TedHOhio wrote:
<quoted text>It's a tacitc, that's all. Once you make that claim, you can pretty much say anything you want and some core of believers will buy into it completely ... and buy is the right word. Groups like the AIG and ICR aren't funded based on their 'scientific' discoveries.
Creationists use all sorts of reprehensible tactics, and they justify it by claiming they are working for God's good, so even sinful transgressions are ok. Plus many hit a confessional and absolve themselves of any reprehensible act. Must be nice not to feel any personal responsibility!
You mean as in "God made me do it!"? Or is it the Devil? Maybe it's Elvis. Whoever it is - is going to be the "heavy".

“I am evolving as fast as I can”

Since: Jan 08

Brooklyn, in Dayton OH now

#6 Aug 24, 2014
Star On 47 wrote:
<quoted text>
You mean as in "God made me do it!"? Or is it the Devil? Maybe it's Elvis. Whoever it is - is going to be the "heavy".
Pretty much! As am example little kennie ham was whining a few years about about one of his pet scientists being ambushed in an interview. Apparently Jason Lisle thought he was being interviewed, but instead it turned out to be a dual interview with Eugenie Scott at the same time. Kennie whined about the underhanded tactics of the interviewer and Genie Scott.... however, little kennie pulled the a similar stunt a year earlier when he and a fundamentalist Christian radio show ambushed Michael Zimmerman. Michael posted this:
"When asked why neither the host nor Ken had the courtesy to inform me that I was to participate in a debate rather than in an interview, I was told that they believed that I wouldn’t have accepted their offer had I been told the truth. When I questioned them about the deception, I was told that since the debate was to further God’s wishes, a minor deception of this sort was acceptable."
nobody

Cleveland, OH

#7 Dec 20, 2014
tactic of a certain foreign culture to make religion a central problem that's why their is this thang ... known as "Separation of Church and State"
public schools are state institutions
bible school is something that occurs in the church basement while parents are at a service
its not really school you don't even need a education to teach it just a bible

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