Holy War Breaks Out at Public Univers...

Holy War Breaks Out at Public University Over Atheism, Evolution and Intelligent Design

There are 207 comments on the TheBlaze.com story from Oct 4, 2013, titled Holy War Breaks Out at Public University Over Atheism, Evolution and Intelligent Design. In it, TheBlaze.com reports that:

When atheist activists launched a battle over intelligent design at Ball State University earlier this year, they sparked a holy war in higher education that has university officials scrambling to critically examine courses and professorial credentials.

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“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

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#62 Oct 9, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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I'd suggest that technically speaking there is a modicum of understanding in that it involves some recognition of inheritance via common ancestry, even if they are unaware of the overall implications of this effect.
Well, sure-- even a 2 year old can appreciate the pretty colors of a Picasso.

;)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

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#63 Oct 9, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Agreed. The evidence supports that drastic changes in the environment opens up so many new niches that evolution advances rapidly to fill these new niches. For instance Lake Victoria is known to have some 500 species of cichlids that have rapidly evolved from one or a few ancestor species in about 15,000 years.
Exactly.

And by the same rule? If a particular environment changes little over the millinea? Then the animals that inhabit said environment change little as well.

For example--- your typical deep ocean sharks. They've changed little in the millions of years since they first arrived. And the ocean that is their niche has changed little as well--from their perspective, of course.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

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#64 Oct 9, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>The Russian people suffered as well from that ignorance.
Indeed they did-- it set their medical science back generations.

“No such thing as ABIODARWINISM”

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Since: Jan 11

No ABIODARWINISTS either!

#65 Oct 9, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Exactly.
And by the same rule? If a particular environment changes little over the millinea? Then the animals that inhabit said environment change little as well.
For example--- your typical deep ocean sharks. They've changed little in the millions of years since they first arrived. And the ocean that is their niche has changed little as well--from their perspective, of course.
Sharks. Great example. I always think of coelacanths as an example of a species changing very little over deep time.

“Ask Randy From Ballwin”

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Since: Mar 13

He Is A Sock Know It All

#66 Oct 10, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Really?
Page 1, post 5, this thread. You were the second person to mention God.
The first wasn't me.
Are you trying to compete with Skippy for tard of the century? Cuz it's a close run.
Uhm yeo I did say "If you want to teach evolution by natural selection I see no problem with that. But there is no need to teach that life arose from a muddy soup along with it for it can not be proven with evidence any more than a God can."

Which is stating if neither can be proven do not teach either. God or abiogenesis. Funny you think that is a bad thing being you knock God all the time.

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#67 Oct 10, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Uhm yeo I did say "If you want to teach evolution by natural selection I see no problem with that. But there is no need to teach that life arose from a muddy soup along with it for it can not be proven with evidence any more than a God can."
Which is stating if neither can be proven do not teach either. God or abiogenesis. Funny you think that is a bad thing being you knock God all the time.
You need to go back to your creationist cult and ask them for evidence of the god they lied to you about.

Until then your opinions about atheists are largely worthless

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#68 Oct 10, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Uhm yeo I did say "If you want to teach evolution by natural selection I see no problem with that. But there is no need to teach that life arose from a muddy soup along with it for it can not be proven with evidence any more than a God can."
Which is stating if neither can be proven do not teach either. God or abiogenesis. Funny you think that is a bad thing being you knock God all the time.
Once again, please provide documentation of who is teaching "that life arose from a muddy soup".
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#69 Oct 10, 2013
replaytime wrote:
Uhm yeo I did say "If you want to teach evolution by natural selection I see no problem with that. But there is no need to teach that life arose from a muddy soup along with it for it can not be proven with evidence any more than a God can."
So I was right and you were wrong. As usual.(shrug)
replaytime wrote:
Which is stating if neither can be proven do not teach either.
Which is stupid. Since nothing in science EVER gets proven nothing could get taught. So I suggest that in science they teach science.
replaytime wrote:
God or abiogenesis.
One of these is a scientific hypothesis. One of these isn't.

I know your beef is that abio must be coupled with evolution but it's simply not the case. When I was taught biology I don't recall any mention of abiogenesis, though they certainly covered evolution. Abio simply wasn't needed. However since abio IS a scientific hypothesis I don't see any problem whatsoever in mentioning it if needed or if kids ask about it.
replaytime wrote:
Funny you think that is a bad thing being you knock God all the time.
If you find me knocking God all the time it's because some putz is shoving a non-scientific idea into a scientific context. At which point it will be put under critical scrutiny. If you don't want your baseless religious opinions to be criticized then stop supporting creationism. Science can then be taught properly and you will be much happier that no-one's saying evil mean and nasty things about your god like "It's not science."
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#70 Oct 10, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>The Russian people suffered as well from that ignorance.
Yup.
Rambeaux

Allentown, PA

#71 Oct 10, 2013
Actually, most Christian and Jewish students are tolerant of non-aggressive atheists. Muslims not so much.
Thinking

Royston, UK

#72 Oct 10, 2013
Our last last universal ancestor would appear to be 3.5 - 3.8 billion years old. Are you OK with that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_universal_a...
replaytime wrote:
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Uhm yeo I did say "If you want to teach evolution by natural selection I see no problem with that. But there is no need to teach that life arose from a muddy soup along with it for it can not be proven with evidence any more than a God can."
Which is stating if neither can be proven do not teach either. God or abiogenesis. Funny you think that is a bad thing being you knock God all the time.
Thinking

Royston, UK

#73 Oct 10, 2013
Define, in this context, "aggressive".
Rambeaux wrote:
Actually, most Christian and Jewish students are tolerant of non-aggressive atheists. Muslims not so much.
True Christian witness

Slick, OK

#74 Oct 10, 2013
True Christians will not debate the issue of life, it is common knowledge that everything alive has parents, that should be sufficient, but every other thing living also had to have a beginning even insects.

The fact that life cannot live without water, air or nourishment should give us the confidence we need to put our faith in a Creator, who just happens to have a name, Jehovah, which means he who causes to become.

This Creator did not leave his creation of living human beings without a manual to guide and direct them to the best life they can have, it's called the Bible.

So if you are an Atheist you are being forced to obey the laws of the Creator of this earth, to live on his earth, to breathe his air and eat his food and enjoy whatever life style you have now, you just won't have any inheritance.

Thinking

Royston, UK

#75 Oct 10, 2013
Bollocks.
True Christian witness wrote:
True Christians will not debate the issue of life, it is common knowledge that everything alive has parents, that should be sufficient, but every other thing living also had to have a beginning even insects.
The fact that life cannot live without water, air or nourishment should give us the confidence we need to put our faith in a Creator, who just happens to have a name, Jehovah, which means he who causes to become.
This Creator did not leave his creation of living human beings without a manual to guide and direct them to the best life they can have, it's called the Bible.
So if you are an Atheist you are being forced to obey the laws of the Creator of this earth, to live on his earth, to breathe his air and eat his food and enjoy whatever life style you have now, you just won't have any inheritance.
True Christian witness

Slick, OK

#76 Oct 10, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Bollocks.
<quoted text>
Since that word is not in my dictionaries, I'll say...
Nah, just facts.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Seffner, FL

#77 Oct 10, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
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Since that word is not in my dictionaries, I'll say...
Nah, just facts.
Not facts. Beliefs or opinions - and that's fine - but not facts.

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

Since: Nov 07

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#78 Oct 10, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
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Since that word is not in my dictionaries, I'll say...
Nah, just facts.
FACT
Function: noun
1 a : a thing done b : CRIME 1 <accessory after the fact>
2 : the quality of being actual
3 : something that actually exists or occurs <space travel is now a fact> <prove the fact of damage>
4 : a piece of information about something presented as true and accurate <a book filled with facts>
- in fact : in truth : ACTUALLY

It's funny how what you claim as 'fact' is anything but factual!

But you're a christian...'truth' and 'true' are polar opposites as are your 'facts' and them being factual.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#79 Oct 10, 2013
Rambeaux wrote:
Actually, most Christian and Jewish students are tolerant of non-aggressive atheists. Muslims not so much.
I can appreciate that.

In fact, all but a few atheists and agnostics have nothing but respect for their neighbors -- of ANY faith.

"Skeptic" on these threads being an example of the exception to this rule.
Rambeaux

Allentown, PA

#80 Oct 10, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Define, in this context, "aggressive".
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An aggressive atheist is one who denigrates and humiliates people of faith, calling them insane, delusional, and other words, openly. Also calling for the removal of the phrase:IN GOD WE TRUST from all US currency. Agreed this is a small percentage of all atheists.

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#81 Oct 10, 2013
Rambeaux wrote:
<quoted text>An aggressive atheist is one who denigrates and humiliates people of faith, calling them insane, delusional, and other words, openly. Also calling for the removal of the phrase:IN GOD WE TRUST from all US currency. Agreed this is a small percentage of all atheists.
There is no real point to denigrating people, but I seriously doubt if you can think of one valid reason that "In God We Trust" should be on any of our currency.

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