Holy War Breaks Out at Public University Over Atheism, Evolution and Intelligent Design

Oct 4, 2013 Full story: TheBlaze.com 207

When atheist activists launched a battle over intelligent design at Ball State University earlier this year, they sparked a holy war in higher education that has university officials scrambling to critically examine courses and professorial credentials.

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Lakeland, FL

#182 Oct 19, 2013
Another cult member.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#183 Oct 19, 2013
Apsu wrote:
<quoted text>Doing such a thing is silliness. One cannot "disprove" the existence of supposed invisible, magic beings.
Um, actually Skippy the 'Skeptic' claims to have already done so, and unequivocally asserts that God DEFINITELY does not exist, period.

Of course I've been waiting for two years for him to actually describe the scientific test he performed in order to make that claim...
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#184 Oct 19, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
<quoted text>
The Bible would seem horrible to someone who can't understand prophetic history written in symbolic language, but to the person who really wants to know what the Bible is teaching us, it is wonderful how Almighty God Jehovah communicates with His people to let them know what a loving God He really is, as Jesus imitated Jehovah and true Christians imitate Jesus.
1Peter 2:21
The examples of faithfulness or unfaithfulness are written for a warning to us, the generations living in these last days that began in 1914. The Bible specifically says that only the meek and honest will listen and obey Jesus direction in these last days. Only the meek will survive the end of this ungodly world, ruled by the god of this world Satan the Devil. 2Corinthians 4:4
When Jesus was on earth, he taught his followers to obey the direct commands of Jehovah God, and showed how easy it is to do, it is the false teachers of Christendom that make God's word a mystery, but the sacred secret is known by God's named people, Jehovah's witnesses. It is the administration for a new heavenly government to rule a new world of righteousness, God's heavenly Kingdom government with Jesus as King.
Ephesians 1:8-10
But of course! Only Jehova's witnesses "know" the "secret" of how to read the Bible "correctly".

Which is a claim also made by the Catholics, and the Protestants, and the SDA's, and the...(and so on and so forth)

In reality though not one of them have any more special access to special information that's not available to anyone else on the entire planet. Which is why none of their baseless religious opinions are any more valid than anyone else's.

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Since: Jun 10

the alternate future

#185 Oct 19, 2013
replaytime wrote:
Most would agree that (natural or artificial) selection produces variations in living things. Thatís why we have different species and breeds. Though there are a few that think ID (design) is what it all is about.
When teaching the theory of evolution by natural selection it includes the origin of life (abiogenesis), creative mutations, and long ages (time). It is not limited to natural selection.
We could argue at length as to whether the origin of life and evolution are two separate things, but arguing about whether or not the origin of life is technically part of the theory of evolution is exactly what evolutionists would like people to do. It is simply a red herring used to divert the discussion away from evolution.
If you want to teach evolution by natural selection I see no problem with that. But there is no need to teach that life arose from a muddy soup along with it for it cannot be proven with evidence any more than a God can.
Exactly. God is nothing more than a myth fabricated by ignorant humans who, thousands of years ago, had no idea of knowing what caused their world to work, what made it work, and when the world would end, so they invented fantasies to not only explain things they couldn't understand, they also did it to control people and prevent the smart ones from seeing through the facade.

Unfortunately, they have had power for many years and have killed millions in the name of some fictional character-that's absurdity to the fullest. Why would I WANT to be a slave to some sort of being that watches everything I do and knows all my thoughts? It's true that the government does some of that, but the whole obsession with imaginary "sins" thing is harmful to the human psyche.

The Bible is nowhere near as accurate as the experiments of scientists in real-life scenarios. Science has already cleared out most of the things religion used to stand for, and religion is fighting a losing battle. Reason is overwhelming fantasy now.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#186 Oct 19, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
<quoted text>
The Bible would seem horrible to someone who can't understand prophetic history written in symbolic language,...
In short?

To "understand" the ugly bible, you have to have been abused, first?

Such that your mind no longer reads objectively?

Okay.

I'll pass, though-- I've seen how you people act towards non-believers, and it's inhumane.

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Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#187 Oct 19, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
<quoted text>
The Bible would seem horrible to someone who can't understand prophetic history written in symbolic language, but to the person who really wants to know what the Bible is teaching us, it is wonderful how Almighty God Jehovah communicates with His people to let them know what a loving God He really is, as Jesus imitated Jehovah and true Christians imitate Jesus.
1Peter 2:21
The examples of faithfulness or unfaithfulness are written for a warning to us, the generations living in these last days that began in 1914. The Bible specifically says that only the meek and honest will listen and obey Jesus direction in these last days. Only the meek will survive the end of this ungodly world, ruled by the god of this world Satan the Devil. 2Corinthians 4:4
When Jesus was on earth, he taught his followers to obey the direct commands of Jehovah God, and showed how easy it is to do, it is the false teachers of Christendom that make God's word a mystery, but the sacred secret is known by God's named people, Jehovah's witnesses. It is the administration for a new heavenly government to rule a new world of righteousness, God's heavenly Kingdom government with Jesus as King.
Ephesians 1:8-10
Tell us how often, have you condemned your neighbors to death by stoning, for openly defying the laws of your god, by the wearing of mixed fibers? And how many sass mouth brats have you brought before the elders of your town, and demanded they be stoned also? How many?

If your god were angry with your neighbor would you be willing to be the one who would rape his wife in the streets as punishment to that man? Would your neighbor serve his god and rape your wife, as your punishment? Tell me "bible believer", do you follow the bible you thump? Do you follow the damned dirty book that you would force on the rest of us?

Are your daughters of less value, and twice as filthy as your sons? Your god left you rules to follow, so will you kill and eat your children, when the spokesman for your god tells you to? Will your daughter be sold into sexual slavery when a church elder decides he wants her? If you don't obey the lord, your god, why would you say that I must?

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Since: Jan 10

It's time to put it to use

#188 Oct 20, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
<quoted text>
The Bible would seem horrible to someone who can't understand prophetic history written in symbolic language, but to the person who really wants to know what the Bible is teaching us, it is wonderful how Almighty God Jehovah communicates with His people to let them know what a loving God He really is, as Jesus imitated Jehovah and true Christians imitate Jesus.
1Peter 2:21
The examples of faithfulness or unfaithfulness are written for a warning to us, the generations living in these last days that began in 1914. The Bible specifically says that only the meek and honest will listen and obey Jesus direction in these last days. Only the meek will survive the end of this ungodly world, ruled by the god of this world Satan the Devil. 2Corinthians 4:4
When Jesus was on earth, he taught his followers to obey the direct commands of Jehovah God, and showed how easy it is to do, it is the false teachers of Christendom that make God's word a mystery, but the sacred secret is known by God's named people, Jehovah's witnesses. It is the administration for a new heavenly government to rule a new world of righteousness, God's heavenly Kingdom government with Jesus as King.
Ephesians 1:8-10
The buybull says that God killed someone for working on the Sabbath.
The buybull says that God killed people because a king took a census.
The bible says that God killed someone for holding up the ark.

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#189 Oct 20, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Um, actually Skippy the 'Skeptic' claims to have already done so, and unequivocally asserts that God DEFINITELY does not exist, period.
Of course I've been waiting for two years for him to actually describe the scientific test he performed in order to make that claim...
As usual the idiot due digs up his own stupidity.

The fact is that the burden of proof lies upon theists and not scientists, to present some f*cking evidence.

Its always been that way, but the problem is that the dude believes that magic unicorns all exists in the some imaginary space along with 4 sided triangles and other sh*t that doesn't exist, and its scientist's jobs to go around chasing nutbags for evidence of this stupid sh*t they invent 24/7...

when theists can present a valid definition and evidence of god, then scientists can get busy sh*tting on your cult's mental illness with hard tests.

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Location hidden

#190 Oct 20, 2013
Until then god isnt real and the dude is a tw*t who once accused me of denying the moon landings!!! what a tw*t!
True Christian witness

Bartlesville, OK

#191 Oct 20, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
But of course! Only Jehova's witnesses "know" the "secret" of how to read the Bible "correctly".
Which is a claim also made by the Catholics, and the Protestants, and the SDA's, and the...(and so on and so forth)
In reality though not one of them have any more special access to special information that's not available to anyone else on the entire planet. Which is why none of their baseless religious opinions are any more valid than anyone else's.
That is why Jesus said... you must seek and knock and find the truth, it doesn't automatically show itself, because you can tell who are the true followers of Jesus today and who are not. 1John 3:4-6

Try to look past individuals, but look at the whole united world wide body of people who are identified as Jehovah's witnesses today, and who are loyal obedient subjects of our reigning King Jesus.
Matthew 7:17-21
1John 3:10,11

True followers of Jesus are peacemakers, they have ... Micah 4:1-3
They do not live by the sword or go into any war ... Matthew 26:52
They love and help their fellowman, especially their brothers ... Galatians 6:10

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#192 Oct 20, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
<quoted text>
That is why Jesus said... you must seek and knock and find the truth, it doesn't automatically show itself, because you can tell who are the true followers of Jesus today and who are not. 1John 3:4-6
I did exactly that.

For more than 40 years.

God? He was a complete no-show.

I used to think I was praying to god-- but eventually I realized I was just talking to myself.

This became clear, when the "answers" to prayers were stuff I **already**knew** from my own efforts!

That?

That is ample proof that no god was involved in **ANY** prayer-- EVER.

If there were?

GODLY ANSWERS would be the least of the proof.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#193 Oct 20, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
<quoted text>
That is why Jesus said... you must seek and knock and find the truth, it doesn't automatically show itself, because you can tell who are the true followers of Jesus today and who are not. 1John 3:4-6
Try to look past individuals, but look at the whole united world wide body of people who are identified as Jehovah's witnesses today, and who are loyal obedient subjects of our reigning King Jesus.
Matthew 7:17-21
1John 3:10,11
True followers of Jesus are peacemakers, they have ... Micah 4:1-3
They do not live by the sword or go into any war ... Matthew 26:52
They love and help their fellowman, especially their brothers ... Galatians 6:10
But it is much-much WORSE that what you think.

YOU?

You are the BEST that god has to offer?

Wow... that's a failure of EPIC proportions.

If YOU are the BEST that god has to offer?

The world is surely doomed-- for YOU are so ill suited to even be alive-- LET ALONE BE A GOD-AMBASSADOR...

... and that is the most definitive proof there are no gods.

What god would suffer the likes of YOU to represent it?

Hmmm?

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#194 Oct 20, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
<quoted text>
That is why Jesus said... you must seek and knock and find the truth, it doesn't automatically show itself, because you can tell who are the true followers of Jesus today and who are not. 1John 3:4-6
Try to look past individuals, but look at the whole united world wide body of people who are identified as Jehovah's witnesses today, and who are loyal obedient subjects of our reigning King Jesus.
Matthew 7:17-21
1John 3:10,11
True followers of Jesus are peacemakers, they have ... Micah 4:1-3
They do not live by the sword or go into any war ... Matthew 26:52
They love and help their fellowman, especially their brothers ... Galatians 6:10
In fact?

You are so mind-numbingly stupid?

I wonder: do you have to hold your breath when your eyes are open?

Seeing as you have insufficient brain-power to both see and remember to breathe at the same time?

Sad.

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Since: May 07

Muncie, IN

#195 Oct 20, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
The Bible would seem horrible to someone who can't understand prophetic history written in symbolic language, but to the person who really wants to know what the Bible is teaching us, it is wonderful how Almighty God Jehovah communicates with His people to let them know what a loving God He really is, as Jesus imitated Jehovah and true Christians imitate Jesus.
Well, while you might find raping children to be "symbolic language" of some sort, the fact is that it is a collection of mostly anonymous texts that incorporates mythology that long predated the Jewish people. There is nothing mystical or complex about it, rather it is quite simple and rather boring. I see you are very easily impressed and even more easily confused. Your ignorance stems from that confusion, and ignorance is in turn the primary factor that drives religious thought.
True Christian witness wrote:
The examples of faithfulness or unfaithfulness are written for a warning to us, the generations living in these last days that began in 1914. The Bible specifically says that only the meek and honest will listen and obey Jesus direction in these last days. Only the meek will survive the end of this ungodly world, ruled by the god of this world Satan the Devil.
This shows how your religious adherence stems from a selfish desire to "get something." Thank you for showing how greed is another factor that drives religion.
True Christian witness wrote:
When Jesus was on earth, he taught his followers to obey the direct commands of Jehovah God, and showed how easy it is to do, it is the false teachers of Christendom that make God's word a mystery, but the sacred secret is known by God's named people, Jehovah's witnesses. It is the administration for a new heavenly government to rule a new world of righteousness, God's heavenly Kingdom government with Jesus as King.
Jesus is nothing more than the mythological hero of Christianity, just as Mithras was the mythological hero of Mithraism. You worship a myth, driven by your own ignorance and selfish desires to have "something" that others don't.

You are delusional, and acting loony does make your delusions any more sensible.
EdSed

Wishaw, UK

#196 Oct 21, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Um, actually Skippy the 'Skeptic' claims to have already done so, and unequivocally asserts that God DEFINITELY does not exist, period.
Of course I've been waiting for two years for him to actually describe the scientific test he performed in order to make that claim...
What a strange thing to wait for. One might as well wait for proof that pixies don't exist.

Russell's Teapot.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#197 Oct 21, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
As usual the idiot due digs up his own stupidity.
The fact is that the burden of proof lies upon theists and not scientists, to present some f*cking evidence.
Its always been that way, but the problem is that the dude believes that magic unicorns all exists in the some imaginary space along with 4 sided triangles and other sh*t that doesn't exist, and its scientist's jobs to go around chasing nutbags for evidence of this stupid sh*t they invent 24/7...
when theists can present a valid definition and evidence of god, then scientists can get busy sh*tting on your cult's mental illness with hard tests.
Oh hey, Skip. I see you've completely avoided directly addressing the content of my posts as usual.(yawn)
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
Until then god isnt real and the dude is a tw*t who once accused me of denying the moon landings!!! what a tw*t!
You DID deny the moon-landings, remember? And I posted the linky to prove it. So far you've never bothered to directly address this either.

A simple "Whoops!" would suffice, but as a fundie you're not even capable of such a simple thing like this either.(shrug)
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#198 Oct 21, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
<quoted text>
That is why Jesus said... you must seek and knock and find the truth, it doesn't automatically show itself, because you can tell who are the true followers of Jesus today and who are not. 1John 3:4-6
Try to look past individuals, but look at the whole united world wide body of people who are identified as Jehovah's witnesses today, and who are loyal obedient subjects of our reigning King Jesus.
Yes, but all you're really saying is believe us because we say so. We don't have Jesus's direct testimony anymore since the guy died 2,000 years ago. This leaves us only with the opinions of MEN to tell us what Jesus allegedly meant. And your baseless religious opinions are no better than anyone else's, because you can't prove your position is any more valid than any one else's. So just preaching and telling us that your interpretation of His "Word" are the "right" one is NOT very convincing.

At all.

And we haven't even got to the part where you need to convince us all that Jews are magic yet.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#199 Oct 21, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>What a strange thing to wait for. One might as well wait for proof that pixies don't exist.
Russell's Teapot.
And I don't disagree with you. But that's beside the point, isn't it?

After all, Skippy claims to have FALSIFIED the non-falsifiable. Me. I'm just happy with the fact that it's a non-falsifiable concept and therefore not scientific. Skip thinks it's scientific. That's the problem.

He's more interested in his atheism than he is about the scientific method.
True Christian witness

Bartlesville, OK

#200 Oct 21, 2013
The Truth is available to one and all, but only a person who is meek and wants the truth will find it.
Matthew 24:14

Everything else in this world is wisdom and knowledge of this world for people who love this world.
1John 2:15

It is your own fault that you are not happy and content, you cannot blame God or any man, it is you, your own brain and heart that motivates you to the decisions you must live with and pay the consequences for.
Matthew 6:24

We are living in the time of the Judgement and Harvest of this world, and unless you are a subject of Jesus as King in Jehovah God's heavenly Kingdom, you will be swept away with this world at Armageddon.
Matthew 13:47-49
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#201 Oct 21, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
The Truth is available to one and all, but only a person who is meek and wants the truth will find it.
Yeah, that's what the Catholics and Protestants said, and they said you were talking crud. But then they said the same thing about each other. And you say the same thing about them. Quite the crux you're in, innit?

So instead of preaching, could you perhaps please provide some objectively verifiable scientific evidence that this 'God' thingy of yours even exists? Thanks in advance.

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