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“I started out with nothing”

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Since: Nov 10

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#61 Mar 25, 2013
Bluenose wrote:
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Hmm, seems you might be right. You must be psychic...
Nope just seen her do it so often

“It's all about the struggle”

Since: Jun 10

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#62 Mar 25, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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Everyone agrees that "At conception it starts replicating /growing...It IS a new entity at all stages of its development, from conception until death; its DNA is proof" as you say.
Yet many disagree with your conclusions on the implications of this, OBVIOUSLY, or there would be no argument. Its your conclusions, not your facts, that are metaphysical.
The question is WHEN does this bundle of cells on its way to becoming a human get accorded the legal rights that we give to a human? And that can be a metaphysical question on one hand, or a purely practical one on the other. Endless prattling about replication, DNA, etc, are not going to convince anyone of anything.
I offered the doctors' necessarily practical view that an embryo/fetus can be seen as a baby when its capable of surviving outside the mother's womb.
I leave the trolling to you. You are getting quite a reputation for it.
It is, at no time of its development NOT human. There is nothing metaphysical about THAT. Never was, never will be.

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#63 Mar 25, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Nope just seen her do it so often
Oh look, its the moron again who does nothing but insult.

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#64 Mar 25, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Yes it is a baby human, if your definition of a human baby arbitrarily encompasses the stage of a zygote. We can also arbitrarily encompass the stage of egg and sperm if we wish. For just as the zygote has the DNA of both its parents so do the sperm and egg.
So you would save the ten zygotes?
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Meow! Kitteh need claws trimming ickle bit lately.
:-/
Very funny. Sperm only contains the dad's info and the egg only contains the mom's until conception when the two are blended and becomes a new, unique DNA.

Your "10" is arbitrary since I would never have 10 eggs fertilized at the same time.
Sometimes it's impossible to save an embryo. Shyt happens.

Claws don't need trimming when given something to sharpen them on, like a tree or a leg. >:}

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#65 Mar 25, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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So if you were late one month, then had a very heavy discharge that indicated you were probably undergoing a spontaneous abortion, would you hold a funeral or flush the mess?
Get real.
You are disgusting.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#66 Mar 25, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>Very funny. Sperm only contains the dad's info and the egg only contains the mom's until conception when the two are blended and becomes a new, unique DNA.
And dad's DNA is a blend of his mom and dad and mom's DNA is a blend of her mom and dad, both with their own unique DNA. Just like the baby.
nanoanomaly wrote:
Your "10" is arbitrary since I would never have 10 eggs fertilized at the same time.
Doesn't matter, it's hypothetical. There could be two. Or 20. They may not even be all yours. The point of the scenario is not to establish particulars of a real situation but to establish the actual credence of someone's belief that human rights start at conception. There would certainly be legal complications, but biologically we cannot establish any one single time when there is not a fully human biological process in place. Ergo biologically speaking it's not really possible to make claims based on biology, especially when what we're really talking about is an abstract set of made up rules regarding the governing of individuals in a society.
nanoanomaly wrote:
Sometimes it's impossible to save an embryo. Shyt happens.
Bingo. For instance sperm dies before reaching the egg, accident to the host kills the zygote or biological complications cause natural abortion.
nanoanomaly wrote:
Claws don't need trimming when given something to sharpen them on, like a tree or a leg. >:}
Aye, but kitteh rubz maek moar happy kittehs...

Level 6

Since: Mar 12

Dubai, UAE

#67 Mar 26, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>It is, at no time of its development NOT human. There is nothing metaphysical about THAT. Never was, never will be.
No, and nobody has questioned that.

They are questioning at what stage this human ball of cells should be accorded the rights we give to human individuals.

You say right from the start, others say when there is a brain, etc. Its not a technical question, but a moral one. So why continually repeat that an embryo has human DNA? That gets the debate nowhere.

Here is a question. Do you think its wrong to remove life support for a patient that is completely brain dead with no chance of recovery? Another non-technical question that might shed some light.

Level 6

Since: Mar 12

Dubai, UAE

#68 Mar 26, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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The problem with biology forums is every now and then it makes me wonder why I go on here at lunchtimes.
Apologies for the blunt approach.

Level 6

Since: Mar 12

Dubai, UAE

#69 Mar 26, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>You are disgusting.
You are being so ethereal, a bit of harsh reality was called for. That is the world doctors have to deal with every day, the same ones who have decided, practically and not metaphysically, that an embryo becomes a person when it can survive outside the womb.

“I started out with nothing”

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Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#70 Mar 26, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>Oh look, its the moron again who does nothing but insult.
So you consider telling the truth an insult?

The evidence of what I told Bluenose is here on this very thread and several others for ALL to see.

Honey, you donít like the truth then I suggest you stop being such an obnoxious moron

“Maccullochella macquariensis”

Since: May 08

Melbourne, Australia

#71 Mar 26, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>Oh look, its the moron again who does nothing but insult.
Am I the only person to see the incredible irony of this post?

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#72 Mar 27, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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So you consider telling the truth an insult?
The evidence of what I told Bluenose is here on this very thread and several others for ALL to see.
Honey, you donít like the truth then I suggest you stop being such an obnoxious moron
Says the idiot who claims that the theory of relativity disproves the paranormal.

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#73 Mar 27, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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You are being so ethereal, a bit of harsh reality was called for. That is the world doctors have to deal with every day, the same ones who have decided, practically and not metaphysically, that an embryo becomes a person when it can survive outside the womb.
I posted absolutely nothing ethereal/spiritual about the personhood of an embryo. Doctors are only pinning a date that sounds humane enough for society to accept as a decent time for termination; a time before it can cry out in pain. Being able to survive a premature birth does not make one fetus more human than another fetus that doesn't survive it. There is no exact moment of fetal development when it becomes more human than the moment that came before.

“Maccullochella macquariensis”

Since: May 08

Melbourne, Australia

#74 Mar 27, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>I posted absolutely nothing ethereal/spiritual about the personhood of an embryo. Doctors are only pinning a date that sounds humane enough for society to accept as a decent time for termination; a time before it can cry out in pain. Being able to survive a premature birth does not make one fetus more human than another fetus that doesn't survive it. There is no exact moment of fetal development when it becomes more human than the moment that came before.
Exactly, glad that you finally admit that the moment when the term fully human can be applied is entirely arbitrary. I choose to use the time of birth, whenever that might occur in the foetal development process as a useful point of delineation, precisely because it is always before the time when a young human finally develops ALL those characteristics that define what it is to be human, that separate us from other primates. Of course, I am talking about real points of difference, not trivial ones like you seem to want to use, but then you're not much into actual thinking, are you?

“I started out with nothing”

Level 6

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#75 Apr 2, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>Says the idiot who claims that the theory of relativity disproves the paranormal.
I never said anything about the theory of relativity, just because you donít understand mathematics goes some way to accounting for your guesswork and downright lies

So who is the idiot here? You, who is a clueless lying guess merchant of me who provided the mass energy equivalence formula?

Please prove that paranormal exists and then we can discuss whether the mass energy equivalence formula has anything to do with magic, until then go back to school

Note that both energy and therefore mass are proven to exist.
Anonymous

Melbourne, Australia

#76 May 23, 2013
Yeah, but were not evolving naturally anymore, with our advanced technology were DIRECTLY controlling our own evolution now. Pretty crazy stuff.

Here's a good article on it..

http://www.explorecreatelive.com/telescopic-e...
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#77 May 23, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Whenever we (arbitrarily) decide it is.
Jeremiah 1:5
New Living Translation (©2007)
"I knew you before I formed you in your mother's womb. Before you were born I set you apart and appointed you as my prophet to the nations."

Psalm 139:15 My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth.

Psalm 139:16 Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.

Isaiah 49:1 Listen to me, you islands; hear this, you distant nations: Before I was born the LORD called me; from my mother's womb he has spoken my name.

Isaiah 49:5 And now the LORD says-- he who formed me in the womb to be his servant to bring Jacob back to him and gather Israel to himself, for I am honored in the eyes of the LORD and my God has been my strength--

Luke 1:41
And it came to pass, that, when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit:
Luke 1:42 In a loud voice she exclaimed: "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear!
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#78 May 23, 2013
Bluenose wrote:
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You have already demonstrated an unwillingness to engage in intelligent debate. Your arguments are vacuous. You indulge is a significant exposition of the logical error of non sequitur. None of the supposed consequences you allege flow from my proposition. I am not interested in the diatribes of unthinking reactionary right to lifers. Take your narrow view of the world and stick it where the sun doesn't shine. I'm not interested.
"Lifers"???

So then, people who support abortion are "Deathers", I assume. Sounds right to me.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#79 May 24, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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Jeremiah
Spam spam spam glorious spam.

You will become target practice for Thor in Valhalla if you do not repent and confess your sins to Odin. Lemme guess, you don't care in the slightest? Now you know what others think of your mindless preaching.
imagine2011 wrote:
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"Lifers"???
So then, people who support abortion are "Deathers", I assume. Sounds right to me.
Of course it does. Because according to your religion no-one has caused more abortions than your own god.

Are you going to apologise for your lies every day now?

Didn't think so.

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