Evolution Theory Facing Crisis

Evolution Theory Facing Crisis

There are 229 comments on the KKLA-FM Glendale story from Aug 18, 2014, titled Evolution Theory Facing Crisis. In it, KKLA-FM Glendale reports that:

"Bill Nye the Science Guy" wrapped up its twentieth anniversary year recently. Nye has done great work encouraging kids to pursue careers in the natural sciences, but has also in recent years become somewhat of a fundamentalist of secularism, particularly in his promotion of Darwinian evolution.

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TurkanaBoy

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#1 Aug 19, 2014
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#2 Aug 19, 2014
Evolution is "a theory in crisis" because a few fundamentalist Christian propagandists say it is, and for no other reason.

>>>>>>As anyone who’s followed the groundbreaking work of Dr. Stephen Meyer and his colleagues in the Intelligent Design community knows, evolution as we know it is a theory in crisis.<<<<< <<<

The "crisis" exists only in Protestant fundamentalist Christian churches and "think tanks," not in the real world of science.

Dr. Meyer is a conservative Christian working a religious agenda at the Discovery Institute. He could care less about real science.

>>>>>>> >Meyer addresses perhaps the most glaring problem with Neo-Darwinism: It’s a theory about the origins of life that doesn’t actually explain the origins of life.<<<<<<

The Theory of Evolution does not INTEND to address the birth of life. That's a separate field in science called abiogenesis. Regardless of how life began, it has subsequently evolved and we know a great deal about the mechanisms of HOW it does.

>>>>>>> >Meyer takes his argument a step further, and shows that even if the first hurdle could be overcome, natural selection acting on random mutations still couldn't produce the sudden appearance of animal varieties we find in the fossil record. In particular the event paleontologists call the “Cambrian Explosion”--<<<< <<<<

Actual scientists in the field of biology disagree with Meyer vehemently on this. And they are not working ulterior religious agendas like Meyer is. Just looking at the facts.

>>>>I can’t say enough good things about Meyer’s work or his book, and I’ll link you to them at BreakPoint.org . And I'm thrilled to announce that I'll be joining Dr. Meyer, as well as popular talk-show hosts Dennis Prager and Hugh Hewitt on stage in Southern California on August 28, for a conversation that we're calling "Faith, Science and Culture: Does God Still Matter?" It's an event sponsored by the Discovery Institute and The Colson Center.<<<<< <

As I said, you guys are NOT doing science, but Christian religious proselytizing. At least be honest enough to admit that.

“I am evolving as fast as I can”

Since: Jan 08

Brooklyn, in Dayton OH now

#3 Aug 19, 2014
I hope anyone who reads this article notices several things.

Foremost the website isn't just a radio station, it's a station run by a Christian Ministry. That might give a hint to its motivations.

You should also note that while it gave a couple of short paragraphs to Bill Nye, it immediately was dismissive with this line
"Never mind the shaky connections Nye assumes between modern technology, social progress, and a theory about lobe-finned fish learning to walk 360 million years ago. The real problem is how he and many others oversimplify evolutionary theory."
Of course if he was really trying represent Bill Nye's arguments, this dismissive comment would have been shot full of holes.

You might also notice that it gives Meyer and his buddies was too much credence without a single critical thought. You might have believed Meyer wrote it himself!

Pretty lame! But as that commercial said, it must be true, I read it on the Internet.
The Gist

Beverly, MA

#4 Aug 19, 2014
There cannot be a crisis when the truth is the truth.

No matter what people believe, there is a truth and talking about it does not change the truth.

So Fundies can go on and on about a 6,000 year old Earth, and anyone with good common sense knows that is not true, so anything else they say is just a moot point and not worth addressing.

The universe is constantly unfolding. The processes that started the universe are still happening. And they will continue to happen.

So the Fundies just look all the more silly when they try to place a solid beginning or end to the universe.

Do we see a "hand" creating stars, galaxies, and solar systems? We can see some of them in various stages right now and it looks nothing like what the Fundies try to say happened at the beginning.

So just put this mess to rest.
right

Pickering, Canada

#5 Aug 19, 2014
No doubt evolution theory is facing crisis. Saying nighurs have evolved is a big lie.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#6 Aug 20, 2014
right wrote:
No doubt evolution theory is facing crisis. Saying nighurs have evolved is a big lie.
Don't you have a cross-burning to attend?

Get lost.
wondering

Morris, OK

#7 Aug 20, 2014
well said kong. I didn't feel his post was worth addressing or I would have said something similar.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#8 Aug 20, 2014
Yeah, I'm really impressed with Meyer's "groundbreaking work". He's come up with a grand total of...

... zero new arguments!

(yawn)

Wonder what it is he actually DID then? Aside from rehashing creationist apologetics in a book of apologetics aimed at creationists that is.
TurkanaBoy

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#10 Aug 20, 2014
Kong_ wrote:
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Don't you have a cross-burning to attend?
Get lost.
In continuation with his first post, I think he sarcastically meant to express the reasoning of fundies: "evolution can't be true because it implies that nighurs are not lower humans", combining the slumbering racism among fundamental Christians and their aversion of evolution.
The Dude

Wallasey, UK

#11 Aug 20, 2014
Okay, thanks to the Mod's software that supposed to block out naughty words, I had made another post with NO naughty words, the basic gist of it being - Hi Ted.
been Right-never left

Stockton, CA

#12 Aug 20, 2014
If anyone can give me one example, with visual evidence of a change of Kind, not adaptations of the same species, but a change of Kind, otherwise the Darwinian theory of evolution is its own religion.
May you scientists find the truth, it is in the holy bible! INRI
Larry

Vancouver, Canada

#13 Aug 20, 2014
Their's sound and good scientific data and arguments for creation!.Scientific adviser DR.John Wiester and many other scientists acknowledge their's valid science for creation.Evolution is only a theory not conclusive fact!.

“Maccullochella macquariensis”

Since: May 08

Melbourne, Australia

#14 Aug 20, 2014
Bugger me, where do all these idiots come from? They're like ants!

Level 6

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#15 Aug 21, 2014
TedHOhio wrote:
I hope anyone who reads this article notices several things.
Foremost the website isn't just a radio station, it's a station run by a Christian Ministry. That might give a hint to its motivations.
You should also note that while it gave a couple of short paragraphs to Bill Nye, it immediately was dismissive with this line <quoted text> Of course if he was really trying represent Bill Nye's arguments, this dismissive comment would have been shot full of holes.
You might also notice that it gives Meyer and his buddies was too much credence without a single critical thought. You might have believed Meyer wrote it himself!
Pretty lame! But as that commercial said, it must be true, I read it on the Internet.
Gidday Ted, haven't heard from you in ages.

same ol' same ol' and they don't get any smarter.
TurkanaBoy

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#16 Aug 21, 2014
been Right-never left wrote:
If anyone can give me one example, with visual evidence of a change of Kind, not adaptations of the same species, but a change of Kind, otherwise the Darwinian theory of evolution is its own religion.
May you scientists find the truth, it is in the holy bible! INRI
There are no kinds. Biology does not apply useless and blurry concepts.
Science began a few centuries ago when those early scientists STOPPED to stick their heads into the old bronze age mythology book and STARTED to LOOK AROUND and OBSERVE.
Pertaining its scientific value, the bible is nothing more than waste paper, fit for recycling.

I have a request for you: as you know (you DO know, hopefully) modern Romance languages like French, Italian, Spanish, Romanian and Portuguese evolved from old Latin. Now the request: if anyone can give me one example, with visual evidence of a change of language, not adaptations within the same language, but a change of language, otherwise modern linguistics is its own religion.

Answer the request.

There are some more questions I have for you:
- you seem to accept changes within species. Do you happen to know any biological mechanism which would inhibit those changes to accumulate beyond the species boundary?
- do you know what ring species are?
- do you know which fossils mark the bony fish > early amphibians transition? Please name at least 3 species and at least 7 phenological traits that are observable in those transitional fossils
- do you know which fossils mark the land animal > cetacean transition? Please name at least 7 species and at least 10 phenological traits that are observable in those transitional fossils
- can you describe the essential thesis of evolution theory?
- what particularities do we observe in the indigenous biodiversity of oceanic islands?

If you can't answer these questions about 101 level evolution theory properly, WTF are you doing here? You ARE NOT entitled to tattle about things you have not even the slightest understanding of.
TurkanaBoy

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#17 Aug 21, 2014
Larry wrote:
Their's sound and good scientific data and arguments for creation!.Scientific adviser DR.John Wiester and many other scientists acknowledge their's valid science for creation.Evolution is only a theory not conclusive fact!.
"Their's sound and good scientific data and arguments for creation!"
SUCH AS?

And now REALITY:
- in the relevant scientific disciplines - the earth and life sciences - creation is a non-issue and ID or creationism virtually absent
- of those scientists >99% affirm evolution theory.

Dream your little dreams of you.

John Wiester is not a scientific advisor. He is an instructor in biology at Westmont College in Santa Barbara, California. he wrote a book misinforming children on evolution. Westmont College is a Christian college, led by a theologian.

Since when do Americans misinform their children on science?
Not a good sign.
Outside America almost only to be found in Muslim countries.

“I am evolving as fast as I can”

Since: Jan 08

Brooklyn, in Dayton OH now

#18 Aug 21, 2014
Chimney1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Gidday Ted, haven't heard from you in ages.
same ol' same ol' and they don't get any smarter.
Glad to be back. Since the culture wars are back in Ohio, I figured I needed to carve some time for it. Back to posting here, blogging, letters to the editor and state reps. Ohio House Bill 597 is an effort to remove the common core school standards which will open the door wide for local school board and districts to do exactly what Dover PA tried to do. The wording even makes it required that teachers offer those ideas equal time. In fact a teacher could get fired for claiming one explanation is better than any other.

“I am evolving as fast as I can”

Since: Jan 08

Brooklyn, in Dayton OH now

#19 Aug 21, 2014
Larry wrote:
Their's sound and good scientific data and arguments for creation!.Scientific adviser DR.John Wiester and many other scientists acknowledge their's valid science for creation.Evolution is only a theory not conclusive fact!.
Who?

“I am evolving as fast as I can”

Since: Jan 08

Brooklyn, in Dayton OH now

#20 Aug 21, 2014
TurkanaBoy wrote:
<quoted text>
" ...
John Wiester is not a scientific advisor. He is an instructor in biology at Westmont College in Santa Barbara, California. he wrote a book misinforming children on evolution. Westmont College is a Christian college, led by a theologian.
Since when do Americans misinform their children on science?
Not a good sign.
Outside America almost only to be found in Muslim countries.
Oh him! Who, in their right mind, would have Wiester as a science advisor? Pat Robertson?

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#21 Aug 21, 2014
TedHOhio wrote:
<quoted text>
Glad to be back. Since the culture wars are back in Ohio, I figured I needed to carve some time for it. Back to posting here, blogging, letters to the editor and state reps. Ohio House Bill 597 is an effort to remove the common core school standards which will open the door wide for local school board and districts to do exactly what Dover PA tried to do. The wording even makes it required that teachers offer those ideas equal time. In fact a teacher could get fired for claiming one explanation is better than any other.
Hey! Good to hear from you again.

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