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There are 112 comments on the Malaysian National News Agency story from Oct 17, 2013, titled Philippines Seeks Experts' Help To Restore Churches Damaged By Earthquake. In it, Malaysian National News Agency reports that:

The Philippine government has invited foreign experts to help in restoring historical churches in central provinces of Bohol and Cebu damaged in a recent earthquake, Xinhua news agency reported.

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ELIAS IBARRA

Yigo, Guam

#73 Apr 12, 2014
Maging ang teologong Protestante na si Georg Kummel ay nagpatotoo na “iniwasan” ni Apostol Pablo na tawaging “Diyos” si Cristo. Ganito ang kaniyang pahayag:

“Lalong malinaw mula sa katotohanang iniwasan ni Pablo na tawaging 'Diyos' si Cristo, na wala siyang isipang pagpantayin sila.”

“It is evident, further, from the fact that Paul avoids calling Christ 'God' that he has no idea of equating them.”

Reference: Kummel, Georg W. The Theology of the New Testament, p. 164. Trans. John F. Steely . New York & Nashville: Abingdon Press, 1973.

All Catholics and Protestants must realize that there is only one true Church, the Iglesia ni Cristo!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#74 Apr 17, 2014
Sumang-ayon din si Hans Kung, isang bantog na teologong Katoliko, na si Cristo ay hindi tinawag na Diyos sa mga sulat ni Apostol Pablo:

“… Ngunit sa kabilang dako si Jesus ay madalang na tuwirang tinawag na 'Diyos' at mismomg si Pablo ay hindi Siya kailanman tinawag na gayon ...”
“… But on the other hand Jesus is scarcely ever directly called 'God' and never by Paul himself ...”

Reference: Hans Kung. On Being A Christian, p. 440. New York: Image Book, 19 66.
I
namin ng mga teologo sa hanay ng mga Katoliko at Protestante na si Cristo ay hindi tinawag na “Diyos” ni Apostol Pablo.

All Roman Catholics and Protestants must distance themselves from their spurious religoins and the fabricated Trinity doctrines!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#75 Apr 24, 2014
Inamin ng mga teologo sa hanay ng mga Katoliko at Protestante na si Cristo ay hindi tinawag na “Diyos” ni Apostol Pablo. Bakit hindi tinawag na “Diyos” ni Apostol Pablo ang ating Panginoong JesuCristo? Ano ba ang pagkakilala ni Apostol Pablo tungkol sa likas na kalagayan ng ating Panginoong Jesucristo? Ganito ang itinuro ng Apostol Pablo:

“For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus …“(I Tim. 2:5, NIV)

“Sapagkat may isang Diyos at may isang Tagapamagitan sa Dios at sa mga tao, ang taong si Cristo Jesus.”(I Tim. 2:5)

Ang paniniwala ni Apostol Pablo ay isa lamang ang tunay na Diyos. Hindi niya maaaring tawaging Diyos si Cristo sapagkat ito ay salungat sa kaniyang paniniwala na ang Ama ang iisang Diyos (I Cor. 8:6). Para kay Pablo si Cristo ay tao at Siya ang iisang Tagapamagitan ng mga tao sa Diyos.

All Catholics and Protestants must depart from their false and fabricating religions!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Yigo, Guam

#77 May 1, 2014
Ang Panginoong Jesucristo naman kaya ay may pahayag o pagpapakilala na Siya ay Diyos? Ganito ang patotoo ng Protestanteng manunulat na si John Robertson:

“… Hindi kailanman inangkin ni Jesus na Siya ay Diyos ...”

“… Jesus never claims to be God,…“

Reference: Robertson, John A.T. Honest To God, p. 73. London: SCM PressLtd., 1963

Bakit kaya kahit minsan ay hindi ipinahayag ni Jesus na Siya ay Diyos? Ano ang pagpapakilala ni Cristo sa Kaniyang sarili? Tunghayan natin ang Kaniyang pahayag:

“I am a man who has told you the truth I heard from God. But you are trying to kill me. Abraham did nothing like that.”(Ako ay tao na nagsasabi sa inyo ng katotohanan na aking narinig sa Diyos. Subalit tinatangka ninyo akong patayin. Walang ginawang gayon si Abraham.)(John 8:40, Easy-to-Read Version)

Ang pagpapakilala ni Cristo mismo sa Kaniyang sarili ay Siya'y tao. Hindi Niya kailanman sinabi na Siya ay Diyos, kaya hindi nakapagtataka na hindi Siya tinawag na “Diyos” ng mga apostol.

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Yigo, Guam

#79 May 6, 2014
Sino kung gayon ang nagsabi na si Cristo ay Diyos? Ganito ang pahayag ng isang paring Katoliko:

“… Siya ay Diyos. At ito ang interpretasyon na inilagay sa Kaniyang mga pananalita ng mga namumuhi sa mga ito.”

“… He was God. And this was the interpretation placed upon His words by those who hated them.”

Reference: A.D. Fr. Apologetics: A Course on Religious Instruction, p. 95. Nihil Obstat: Fr. Virgilio Soriano, Censur; Imprimatur: A.G. Casas, V. Gen. Philippines: Daughters of St. Paul, Phil., 1961.

“Siya ay Diyos” ang mga salita na inilagay ng mga taong napopoot sa mga pananalita ni Jesus. Samakatuwid, nagkaroon sila ng maling pagkaunawa sa mga pahayag ni Cristo.

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
Silent Crusader

Riverside, CA

#80 May 7, 2014
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
Ang Panginoong Jesucristo naman kaya ay may pahayag o pagpapakilala na Siya ay Diyos? Ganito ang patotoo ng Protestanteng manunulat na si John Robertson:
“… Hindi kailanman inangkin ni Jesus na Siya ay Diyos ...”
“… Jesus never claims to be God,…“
Reference: Robertson, John A.T. Honest To God, p. 73. London: SCM PressLtd., 1963
Bakit kaya kahit minsan ay hindi ipinahayag ni Jesus na Siya ay Diyos? Ano ang pagpapakilala ni Cristo sa Kaniyang sarili? Tunghayan natin ang Kaniyang pahayag:
“I am a man who has told you the truth I heard from God. But you are trying to kill me. Abraham did nothing like that.”(Ako ay tao na nagsasabi sa inyo ng katotohanan na aking narinig sa Diyos. Subalit tinatangka ninyo akong patayin. Walang ginawang gayon si Abraham.)(John 8:40, Easy-to-Read Version)
Ang pagpapakilala ni Cristo mismo sa Kaniyang sarili ay Siya'y tao. Hindi Niya kailanman sinabi na Siya ay Diyos, kaya hindi nakapagtataka na hindi Siya tinawag na “Diyos” ng mga apostol.
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
Even though Jesus is God, He was teaching us also what the real spiritual meaning of humility.

The following are verses used to show that Jesus is God in flesh. The scriptures used here are from the New American Standard Bible.

John 1:1--"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
John 1:14--"And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth."
***THE WORD WAS GOD THEN BECAME FLESH - JESUS BECAME FLESH***

John 5:18--"For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God."
John 8:24--"I said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins."
*** "HE" MEANS GOD.***

John 8:58--"Jesus said to them,'Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.'"
***IF THIS WORDS OF JESUS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE TO YOU AND INC THEN NOTHING WILL***

Exodus 3:14--"And God said to Moses,'I AM WHO I AM'; and He said, Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel,‘I AM has sent me to you.’"
John 10:30-33--"I and the Father are one." 31 The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. 32 Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?" 33 The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God."
***JESUS CLEARLY SAID HE AND THE FATHER IS THE SAME AND ONE. DON'T TELL US THIS IS NOT CLEAR TO YOU***

John 20:28--"Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
***THOMAS HAS ALREADY CONFIRMED SO.***

Col. 2:9--"For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form."
Phil. 2:5-8--"Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 Therefore also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those who are in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
Heb. 1:8--"But of the Son He says, "Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom."
Quoted from Psalm 45:6, "Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever; a scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Thy kingdom."

I DON'T HOW INC INTERPRETS THE BIBLE.
ELIAS IBARRA

Yigo, Guam

#81 May 13, 2014
Silent Crusader wrote:
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Even though Jesus is God, He was teaching us also what the real spiritual meaning of humility.
The following are verses used to show that Jesus is God in flesh. The scriptures used here are from the New American Standard Bible.
John 1:1--"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
John 1:14--"And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth."
***THE WORD WAS GOD THEN BECAME FLESH - JESUS BECAME FLESH***
Silent Murderer,

John 1:1 states only that "In the beginning was the Word" but it does not state that "In the beginning was Jesus Christ"!!! The Word later became flesh and thereby showing that there was no existing corporeal Jesus Christ in the beginning!!! And what was God is the Word for it does not say "and the Jesus Christ was God"!!!

The Word was God because it has the quality of God which is powerful!!! "God" therefore in the verse is an adjective and not a noun!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Yigo, Guam

#82 May 13, 2014
Ano ang isa sa mga ipinahayag ni Jesus na binigyan ng maling iterpretasyon ng mga napopoot sa Kaniya kung kaya't inakala nilang sinasabi raw ni Cristo na Siya ay Diyos? Ang Juan 10:30-33 na ganito ang isinasaad:

“Ako at ang Ama ay iisa. Nagsidampot uli ng mga bato ang mga Judio upang siya' batuhin. Sinagot sila ni Jesus, Maraming mabubuting gawa na mula sa Ama ang ipinakita ko sa inyo; alin sa mga gawang yaon ang ibinabato ninyo sa akin? Sinagot siya ng mga Judio, Hindi sa mabubuting gawa ay binabato ka namin, kundi sa pamumusong; at sapagka't ikaw, bagaman ikaw ay tao, ay nagpapakunwari kang Diyos.”

Maliwanag sa mga talatang ito (tingnan din ang Mar. 2:1-10 at Juan 10:17-18) na ang mga napopoot sa mga salita ni Cristo noong narito pa Siya sa lupa ay nagbigay ng maling interpretasyon sa Kaniyang mga salita – inakala nilang sa Kaniyang mga pananalita ay nagpapakilala Siyang Diyos.

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA DickSUCKER

Providence, UT

#83 May 13, 2014
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
Ano ang isa sa mga ipinahayag ni Jesus na binigyan ng maling iterpretasyon ng mga napopoot sa Kaniya kung kaya't inakala nilang sinasabi raw ni Cristo na Siya ay Diyos? Ang Juan 10:30-33 na ganito ang isinasaad:
“Ako at ang Ama ay iisa. Nagsidampot uli ng mga bato ang mga Judio upang siya' batuhin. Sinagot sila ni Jesus, Maraming mabubuting gawa na mula sa Ama ang ipinakita ko sa inyo; alin sa mga gawang yaon ang ibinabato ninyo sa akin? Sinagot siya ng mga Judio, Hindi sa mabubuting gawa ay binabato ka namin, kundi sa pamumusong; at sapagka't ikaw, bagaman ikaw ay tao, ay nagpapakunwari kang Diyos.”
Maliwanag sa mga talatang ito (tingnan din ang Mar. 2:1-10 at Juan 10:17-18) na ang mga napopoot sa mga salita ni Cristo noong narito pa Siya sa lupa ay nagbigay ng maling interpretasyon sa Kaniyang mga salita – inakala nilang sa Kaniyang mga pananalita ay nagpapakilala Siyang Diyos.
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
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HEBREWS 1:8- Unto the SON-> JESUS Christ, the God the Father
said
to Jesus-> your THRONE O God!
bingo!
THEREFORE
whether
you like it NOT?-> Jesus Christ the Lord God is the -> ALMIGHTY GOD!
Silent Crusader

Riverside, CA

#84 May 14, 2014
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
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Silent Murderer,
John 1:1 states only that "In the beginning was the Word" but it does not state that "In the beginning was Jesus Christ"!!! The Word later became flesh and thereby showing that there was no existing corporeal Jesus Christ in the beginning!!! And what was God is the Word for it does not say "and the Jesus Christ was God"!!!
The Word was God because it has the quality of God which is powerful!!! "God" therefore in the verse is an adjective and not a noun!!!
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
Elisa Ibarra,

1) The Bible never says Felix Manalo is an angel-messenger-jacob-messiah but the Philippines Newspapers posted he was a rapist? a womanizer? etc. etc.
2) The Bible never says Iglesia Ni Cristo is the true church... but a lot of people says Iglesia Ni Cristo is a cult and not of God. That it holds firearms hidden inside her chapels, that ministers and deacons commit murders for no valid reason.
3) The Bible never says Philippines is the 'far east' mentioned in it.
There are so many things more about Iglesia Ni Cristo not mentioned in the bible - not even "Church of Christ"..."churches of Christ" - yes (descriptive).

Wake up...don't use literalism here...it does not hold water only for INC .. who loves perverted meanings and statements.
Silent Crusader

Riverside, CA

#85 May 14, 2014
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
Ano ang isa sa mga ipinahayag ni Jesus na binigyan ng maling iterpretasyon ng mga napopoot sa Kaniya kung kaya't inakala nilang sinasabi raw ni Cristo na Siya ay Diyos? Ang Juan 10:30-33 na ganito ang isinasaad:
“Ako at ang Ama ay iisa. Nagsidampot uli ng mga bato ang mga Judio upang siya' batuhin. Sinagot sila ni Jesus, Maraming mabubuting gawa na mula sa Ama ang ipinakita ko sa inyo; alin sa mga gawang yaon ang ibinabato ninyo sa akin? Sinagot siya ng mga Judio, Hindi sa mabubuting gawa ay binabato ka namin, kundi sa pamumusong; at sapagka't ikaw, bagaman ikaw ay tao, ay nagpapakunwari kang Diyos.”
Maliwanag sa mga talatang ito (tingnan din ang Mar. 2:1-10 at Juan 10:17-18) na ang mga napopoot sa mga salita ni Cristo noong narito pa Siya sa lupa ay nagbigay ng maling interpretasyon sa Kaniyang mga salita – inakala nilang sa Kaniyang mga pananalita ay nagpapakilala Siyang Diyos.
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
Elisa Ibarra,

Because you can only interpret the bible literally not spiritually - you easily conformed with the minds of those Jews who wanted to stone Jesus for not understanding what Jesus was saying.

Jesus said that only those who have the truth can understand what he meant including His Parables. This is the reason why Iglesia Ni Cristo reads the bible literally (cannot grasp anything spiritually) that is why Jesus also said if you don't have it you cannot share it.

You cannot share the truth because you don't have it so what you can only share are lies and perversions.

Aren't you tired yet of all the lies you are promoting? Instead of dreams you only have nightmares.
INC Iglesia ni Coitus

Hückelhoven, Germany

#86 May 14, 2014
Silent Crusader wrote:
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Elisa Ibarra,
Because you can only interpret the bible literally not spiritually - you easily conformed with the minds of those Jews who wanted to stone Jesus for not understanding what Jesus was saying.
Jesus said that only those who have the truth can understand what he meant including His Parables. This is the reason why Iglesia Ni Cristo reads the bible literally (cannot grasp anything spiritually) that is why Jesus also said if you don't have it you cannot share it.
You cannot share the truth because you don't have it so what you can only share are lies and perversions.
Aren't you tired yet of all the lies you are promoting? Instead of dreams you only have nightmares.
Very well said!
It cannot always be seen immediately if someone has seen the light.
Reversely it is always very easy to detect if someone hasn´t seen the light.
Swashbuckler Elias Ibarra belongs to the latter. Obviously.
And yet, despite all our attempts to wake and shake him up we will have to show consideration with him: He just knows no better (and I guess he never will).
Fears dominate him and fears took him where he finds himself now.
Self-betrayal is his currency.
And light avoids fear and lies. Catch 22.
He will have a long way to go. But even the longest ways require the first step.
Silent Crusader

Riverside, CA

#88 May 15, 2014
INC Iglesia ni Coitus wrote:
<quoted text>
Very well said!
It cannot always be seen immediately if someone has seen the light.
Reversely it is always very easy to detect if someone hasn´t seen the light.
Swashbuckler Elias Ibarra belongs to the latter. Obviously.
And yet, despite all our attempts to wake and shake him up we will have to show consideration with him: He just knows no better (and I guess he never will).
Fears dominate him and fears took him where he finds himself now.
Self-betrayal is his currency.
And light avoids fear and lies. Catch 22.
He will have a long way to go. But even the longest ways require the first step.
True. Elias Ibarra will have a long way to go because he chose that direction. He took the road to perdition with Felix Manalo. I hope and pray that someday he will still find his way back where the light is before his hardening heart becomes a heart of stone. There is no second chance in hell while he still is being given a chance right now. God is using all of us to wake him up. But he is just so blinded with his idolization of Felix Manalo's doctrine of vanity. He would go a long way to defend Felix Manalo yet he will do all his best to downgrade Jesus's Divinity to a mere man.

Honestly I still continue to pray for him and his co-members for enlightenment.

Thanks bro.
ELIAS IBARRA

Yigo, Guam

#89 May 17, 2014
Silent Crusader wrote:
<quoted text>
True. Elias Ibarra will have a long way to go because he chose that direction. He took the road to perdition with Felix Manalo. I hope and pray that someday he will still find his way back where the light is before his hardening heart becomes a heart of stone. There is no second chance in hell while he still is being given a chance right now. God is using all of us to wake him up. But he is just so blinded with his idolization of Felix Manalo's doctrine of vanity. He would go a long way to defend Felix Manalo yet he will do all his best to downgrade Jesus's Divinity to a mere man.
Honestly I still continue to pray for him and his co-members for enlightenment.
Thanks bro.
Silent Murderer,

Bother Felix Y. Manalo only taught biblical things in the Iglesia ni Cristo which he proselytized!!! Carholic and Protestant authorities have agreed with him in things which he denounced as fabricatiions or teachings of men from within the spurious Catholicism and Protestantism!!! He biblically taught about the man Christ but never Him as God or God the Son!!! There is only one God, the Father, the Creator of all things!!!

Apostle Paul wrote that there is only one God, and he identified this one true God for the Christians:

“Yet, there is for us only one God, the Father, who is the Creator of all things and for whom we live; and there is only one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things were created and through whom we live.”(I Cor. 8:6, Today's English Version).

Paul stated that the Father is the one and only true God recognized by the Apostles. Notice that he did not write,“there is for us only one God, the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit.”

There is no mention of three distinct persons making up one triune God; on the contrary, Paul pointed to the Father as the only true God.

All Catholics and Protestants must improve their very low Vatican-duped I.Q.!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Yigo, Guam

#91 May 18, 2014
FELIKSRAPEROSITATRILLANES wrote:
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Hey pagan!
that's WHY you are afraid to DEFINE -> TRINITY?
.
So worshiped God?
.
What was His " PERSONAL " name?
.,
you pagans INK's
or
INComplete are JUST like those pagan Mohamedans
.
WHO SHARED "the same" satanic mentality as yours!
.
They Believe also in God?
but when
you asked them what is the -> " Personal name "of their mohamedan god
and
they will say THAT the name of Muslims pagan Mohamedan god
is
the Arabic term WORD-> Allah <-which is means-> the God!?
that means they DO NOT KNOW the PERSONAL name of true God?
.
so What about these "cultist" Manalistas?
.
what is the PERSONAL NAME of the True God?
.
it's just like Humans that has a name?
.
How
come the Creator God's name is NEVER MENTIONED by these INKs?
.
what
about you ELIAS Satanist IBARIA?
.
does your God has a name?
Cretin Pagan,

Indeed, the true God has personal names!!! But He is not called as the Jehovah of year 1520 nor as tthe Holy Trinity!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Yigo, Guam

#92 May 18, 2014
Silent Crusader wrote:
<quoted text>
Elisa Ibarra,
1) The Bible never says Felix Manalo is an angel-messenger-jacob-messiah but the Philippines Newspapers posted he was a rapist? a womanizer? etc. etc.
2) The Bible never says Iglesia Ni Cristo is the true church... but a lot of people says Iglesia Ni Cristo is a cult and not of God. That it holds firearms hidden inside her chapels, that ministers and deacons commit murders for no valid reason.
3) The Bible never says Philippines is the 'far east' mentioned in it.
There are so many things more about Iglesia Ni Cristo not mentioned in the bible - not even "Church of Christ"..."churches of Christ" - yes (descriptive).
Wake up...don't use literalism here...it does not hold water only for INC .. who loves perverted meanings and statements.
Silent Murderer,

The name of Brother Felix Y. Manalo is not mentioned in the Bible but his tasks are being mentioned!!! Philippine History and World History attest that rapists are Catholics and Protestants including their leaders!!!

The Bible does mention the Iglesia ni Cristo as the true Church!!! Christ said "My Church" and so it is the Church of Christ!!! It is not the Roman Catholic Church!!! Nor as the Protestant cults!!!

The Philippines is the biblical Far East!!! The Iglesia ni Cristo started from her in conjunction with the breakout of the First World War and not somewhere else in the vast Far East!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Yigo, Guam

#93 May 18, 2014
Hindi ba't ang pahayag ni Cristo sa Juan 10:30--“Ako at ang Ama ay iisa”--na binigyan ng maling interpretasyon ng mga napopoot kay Cristo noon, ay isa rin sa mga sa mga talatang pinagbabatayan ng mga nagtuturo ngayon na Siya ay Diyos? Ang maling interpretasyon na si Cristo ay nagpakilalang Diyos ay pilit na ipinaaangkin kay Cristo---na sinabi raw ni Cristo na Siya ay Diyos gayong wala naman Siyang sinabing ganito. Kung sanabi man ni Cristo na Siya at ang Ama ay iisa, hindi ito nangangahulugan na Siya ay Diyos. Sa pahayag Niyang iyon, ipinakilala lamang ni Cristo na kaisa Siya ng Diyos sa pangangalaga sa Kaniyan mga tupa.(Juan 10:27-30).

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Yigo, Guam

#94 May 18, 2014
Dapat mapansin na hindi itinuro ng Bagong Tipan na si Cristo ay Diyos; nagpakilala si Cristo na Siya ay tao (Juan 8:40); walang sinabi si Cristo na Siya ay Diyos. Ipinakilala ni Apostol Pablo na si Cristo ay tao (I Tim. 2:5); hindi niya tinawag na Diyos si Cristo. Ipinakilala ni Apostol Pedro na si Cristo ay tao (Gawa 2:22); hindi rin niya tinawag na Diyos si Cristo. Wala sa doktrina ng mga unang Cristiano na si Cristo ay Diyos; wala sa isipan nila ang diumano'y inkarnasyon at ang pre-eksistensiya ni Cristo; bagkus, ang mga napopoot kay Cristo ang nagsabi na Siya ay nagpakilalng Diyos.

Sino ang paniniwalaan mo?

All Trinitarians must improve their very low Vatican-duped I.Q.!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Yigo, Guam

#95 May 23, 2014
Pinatutunayan ng Biblia na hindi si Cristo ang tunay na Diyos kundi ang Ama na lumalang ng lahat ng bagay. Sa kabila nito, maraming tagapangaral ang gumagamit ng mga talata ng Biblia para patunayan na si Cristo ay tunay na Diyos. Subalit, maging ang ibang nagtataguyod ng paniniwala na si Cristo ay Diyos ay tinututulan ang paggamit ng mga talatang ito para patunayan na si Cristo ay Diyos. Ayon sa pag-aaral ng mga tumututol na ito, ang mga talatang tinutukoy ay hindi mapagbabatayan na si Cristo ay Diyos. Ang tatalakayin sa artikulong ito ay ang ilan sa mga pangunahin at karaniwang mga talata ng Biblia na pinagbabatayan ng mga naniniwalang si Cristo ay Diyos.

Juan 10:30

“Ako at ang ama ay iisa.”

Ang sinabing ito ni Cristo ang isa sa mga talata ng Biblia na karaniwang ginagamit na katunayan na si Cristo ay Diyos. Subalit alam ba ninyo na maraming nasa hanay ng mga naniniwalang si Cristo ay Diyos ay tumututol na ang talatang ito ay katunayan ng diumano'y pagiging Diyos ni Cristo? Tunghayan natin ang pahayag ng isang paring Jesuita na si Stanley B. Marrow:

“Gayunman, ang malamang na hindi natin mapansin sa mga pananalitang ito ni Jesus ay, hindi niya sinabi na 'Ako at ang Diyos ay iisa'. Ang buong dahilan kung bakit niya sinabi iyon ay hindi upang angkinin sa sarili ang pagka-Diyos, kundi upang linawin na ang kanyang misyon billang Siyang Anak ay upang isagawa ang kalooban ng Ama na nagsugo sa kaniya (tingnan ang 4:34; 5:30). Sa pamamagitan ng ganitong pagsunod sa kalooban ng Ama ay pinatutunayan niya ang kaniyang pagiging tunay na Anak. Sa pamamagitan ng kaniyang buong-buong pagsunod ay inihayag niya na ang Diyos ang kanyang Ama. Dahil sa lubos na pagsang-ayon ng kaniyang kalooban, dahil sa kaniyang pagsunod sa kalooban ng Ama kaya niya sinabi na 'Ako at ang Ama ay iisa'.”

“What we are likely to overlook in these words of Jesus, however, is that he does not say,'I and God are one'. The whole reason why he makes the claim at all is not to arrogate to himself the divinity, but to make clear that his mission as the Son is to carry the will of the Father who sent him (see 4:34; 5:30). It is in this obedience to the will of the Father that he witnesses to his true Sonship. By the totality of his obedience he reveals God as his Father. It is because of the total conformity of his will, because of his obedience, to the will of the Father, that he can say ,'I and the Father are one'.”

Reference: Marrow, Stanley B. The Gospel of John – A Reading, p. 177. Makati, Philippines: Paulist Press, 1997.

Ayon sa paring Jesuitang ito, hindi pinatutunayan ni Cristo na Siya ay Diyos nang Kaniyang sabihin,'Ako at ang Ama ay iisa.” Ang pinatutunayan ni Cristo sa talatang ito ay kaisa Siya sa kalooban ng Diyos at ito'y pinatunayan Niya sa pamamagitan ng Kaniyang pagsunod.

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Yigo, Guam

#96 May 29, 2014
Ang isa pang naniniwala na Diyos si Cristo ay ang Protestanteng komentarista ng Biblia na si A.M. Hunter. Subalit sa kabila ng kaniyang paniniwalang ito, ayon sa kaniya, ang sinabi ni Cristo na “Ako at ang Ama ay iisa” ay hindi katunayan na si Crsito ay Diyos. Sang-ayon din siya na si Cristo ay kaisa ng Diyos sa kalooban at hindi sa kalagayan:

“… Ang aking Ama at ako ay iisa. Ang kaisahan ay sa layunin sa halip na sa kasiyangaan:“Iniisip ng Anak ang mga nasa isipan ng Ama, at hinahangad ang layon ng Ama, at gumagawa sa kapangyarihan ng Ama'…“

“… My Father and I are one. The unity is one of will rather than of substance:'The Son thinks the Father's thoughts, and wills the Father's purpose, and acts in the Father's power'...”.

Reference: Hunter, A.M.The Cambridge Bible Commentary: The Gospel According to John, Commentary, p.107. London and New York: Cambridge University Press, 1965.

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

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