Cville Attorney: Nix Jail Time for Ma...

Cville Attorney: Nix Jail Time for Marijuana Possession

There are 115 comments on the NBC29 Charlottesville story from Feb 16, 2013, titled Cville Attorney: Nix Jail Time for Marijuana Possession. In it, NBC29 Charlottesville reports that:

He says it's inappropriate, and some Charlottesville city councilors agree. Tuesday night, the touchy issue will get tackled at a City Council meeting .

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22rToyota4x4

Denver, CO

#22 Feb 18, 2013
The U.S. has 5% of the world's population and 25% of the world's incarcerated making it the world's leading jailer. The war on people because of drug use is full of lies and hypocrisy. Do a search on U.S. military guards poppy plants in Afghanistan.

American soldiers stand guard over poppy plants in Afghanistan that Afghans turn into heroin for the world's black market and U.S. soldiers aide them by guarding their fields. What kind of twisted logic makes that OK when at the same time people get arrested over using marijuana in most U.S. states? It's almost a certainty that if your caught growing marijuana in a non-mmj state that you will do prison time even if it's just a few plants for personal use as well as having the courts seize your home if you own it because of forfeiture laws and drug charges over cultivation.

As someone who grows their own, this is why I moved out of my native GA state to Colorado a few years back. Southern states are THE WORST to get any type of marijuana charge.

Relaxing possession crimes isn't good enough. Allowing people to grow their own will make the black market and organized crime fade away.What happens when the economy finally tanks like 1929 which led to the Depression of the 30's, will people be sent to a tent city prison with razor wire around it because of the finances being too thin to house them in concrete and steel prisons over marijuana crimes ?

For those who don't use it, fine, then don't use it, but you can't truthfully say that the U.S. is the freest nation on the planet when it houses more prisoners than ANY other nation, and the biggest contributor to the majority of prisoners is from the oppressive drug laws.
sez you

Charlottesville, VA

#24 Feb 18, 2013
22rToyota4x4 wrote:
The U.S. has 5% of the world's population and 25% of the world's incarcerated making it the world's leading jailer. The war on people because of drug use is full of lies and hypocrisy. Do a search on U.S. military guards poppy plants in Afghanistan.
American soldiers stand guard over poppy plants in Afghanistan that Afghans turn into heroin for the world's black market and U.S. soldiers aide them by guarding their fields. What kind of twisted logic makes that OK when at the same time people get arrested over using marijuana in most U.S. states? It's almost a certainty that if your caught growing marijuana in a non-mmj state that you will do prison time even if it's just a few plants for personal use as well as having the courts seize your home if you own it because of forfeiture laws and drug charges over cultivation.
As someone who grows their own, this is why I moved out of my native GA state to Colorado a few years back. Southern states are THE WORST to get any type of marijuana charge.
Relaxing possession crimes isn't good enough. Allowing people to grow their own will make the black market and organized crime fade away.What happens when the economy finally tanks like 1929 which led to the Depression of the 30's, will people be sent to a tent city prison with razor wire around it because of the finances being too thin to house them in concrete and steel prisons over marijuana crimes ?
For those who don't use it, fine, then don't use it, but you can't truthfully say that the U.S. is the freest nation on the planet when it houses more prisoners than ANY other nation, and the biggest contributor to the majority of prisoners is from the oppressive drug laws.
I kinda figured ther was some ulterior motive for us to stick around for another two years. I mean we've known they've been growing poppies for some time , so why didn't we just fly over with agent orange?
sez you

Charlottesville, VA

#25 Feb 18, 2013
22rToyota4x4 wrote:
The U.S. has 5% of the world's population and 25% of the world's incarcerated making it the world's leading jailer. The war on people because of drug use is full of lies and hypocrisy. Do a search on U.S. military guards poppy plants in Afghanistan.
American soldiers stand guard over poppy plants in Afghanistan that Afghans turn into heroin for the world's black market and U.S. soldiers aide them by guarding their fields. What kind of twisted logic makes that OK when at the same time people get arrested over using marijuana in most U.S. states? It's almost a certainty that if your caught growing marijuana in a non-mmj state that you will do prison time even if it's just a few plants for personal use as well as having the courts seize your home if you own it because of forfeiture laws and drug charges over cultivation.
As someone who grows their own, this is why I moved out of my native GA state to Colorado a few years back. Southern states are THE WORST to get any type of marijuana charge.
Relaxing possession crimes isn't good enough. Allowing people to grow their own will make the black market and organized crime fade away.What happens when the economy finally tanks like 1929 which led to the Depression of the 30's, will people be sent to a tent city prison with razor wire around it because of the finances being too thin to house them in concrete and steel prisons over marijuana crimes ?
For those who don't use it, fine, then don't use it, but you can't truthfully say that the U.S. is the freest nation on the planet when it houses more prisoners than ANY other nation, and the biggest contributor to the majority of prisoners is from the oppressive drug laws.
When we privatised the prison system there's money to be made from bogus incarcerations, and politicians are right in the middle of that too. So we really can't legalize pot cause it would take money out of not only the dealers pocket but more important, the politicians pockets, can't have that now can we?
hitem

South Boston, VA

#26 Feb 18, 2013
As long as they aint driving around hi who cares what they do to them selfs, if driving hi screw em lock em up no different than a drunk driver
SuzyQ

Chesapeake, OH

#27 Feb 18, 2013
Daily Functioning Toker wrote:
<quoted text>
Why let someone else tell you? Can we not formulate rational opinions for ourselves? Let's hear SuzyQ tell us why!/sarcasm
1. 27,900 inmates are there for solely marijuana crimes; 64,000 have some drug convinction linked to marijuana (representing 4% of the US prisoner population). 
2. The cost to corrections in terms of "hard costs" is estimated at $3.1 billion, where the overall cost of enforcement (including corrections, police and the courts) is to the tune of $7 billion. 
3. Violent crime linked to marijuana usage typically occurs between dealers. Approximately 90% of those imprisoned for marijuana have had no history of violent offenses.
hitem

South Boston, VA

#28 Feb 18, 2013
SuzyQ wrote:
<quoted text>1. 27,900 inmates are there for solely marijuana crimes; 64,000 have some drug convinction linked to marijuana (representing 4% of the US prisoner population). 
2. The cost to corrections in terms of "hard costs" is estimated at $3.1 billion, where the overall cost of enforcement (including corrections, police and the courts) is to the tune of $7 billion. 
3. Violent crime linked to marijuana usage typically occurs between dealers. Approximately 90% of those imprisoned for marijuana have had no history of violent offenses.
You should see the real stats of obamas illegals in violent crime
hitem

South Boston, VA

#29 Feb 18, 2013
Does anyone here really believe that a government that guards poppy fields in afgahn so taliban doesnt get the drugs but that it gets harvested and shipped to other countrys so they can lock you up for using it really want to stop weed heads?
DumlerRules

Rocky Mount, VA

#30 Feb 18, 2013
Obviously, drug testing would not work for either Mr. Fogel or the entire city council. Remember, IT IS STILL ILLEGAL!!!
SuzyQ

Chesapeake, OH

#31 Feb 18, 2013
DumlerRules wrote:
Obviously, drug testing would not work for either Mr. Fogel or the entire city council. Remember, IT IS STILL ILLEGAL!!!
Pot has been smoked for thousands of years and will continue to be smoked, whether it's legal or not.
Jails should be for people who commit crimes against others - how is smoking pot a crime against others?

Plus many states have medical marijuana laws. Hummmm, the medical community agrees that marijuana has it's place in helping and healing the mind and body.

Again we, are not talking about health issues. And if your planning on bringing up the "pot is bad for the lungs" argument - think vaporizer or by ingesting it in tasty food . No smoke - no lung issues. I don't feel that someone should go to jail, pay a fine or otherwise have a criminal record because they do.

It should be a personal choice - not the government's choice!
If you don't believe in legalization, then at least think about decriminalization.
GOUVa

Bassett, VA

#32 Feb 18, 2013
I seeit every day, just look at the doctors and hundreds of hourly workers! Eye drops are a big seller in the local stores. I am so going to get hurt or killed at my job by a pothead eating his cookies instead of watching the computer screens like he is supposed to do. See it every day at local school for liberals!
Taylor

Charlottesville, VA

#33 Feb 19, 2013
I have served time in jail for possession of marijuana. It was a puppet show of tricks and bureaucracy. Why should any pot user suffer the consequences of an outdated and blind law?

How many people have died as a result of marijuana intoxication?

..and alcohol intoxication?
Malcolm Kyle

Gouda, Netherlands

#34 Feb 19, 2013
America it is time to wake up. Prohibition is a cultural and economic assault on your money, on your careers, on your ability to put food on the table, have shelter, cloth yourself, and even survive or self-medicate. The fiscal cliff isn't the crisis. Prohibitionist control over America's politics and government is.

If you sincerely believe that prohibition is a dangerous and counter-productive policy then you can stop helping to enforce it. You are entitled—required even—to act according to your conscience.

* It only takes one juror to prevent a guilty verdict.
* You are not lawfully required to disclose your voting intention before taking your seat on a jury.
* You are also not required to give a reason to the other jurors on your position when voting. Simply state that you find the accused not guilty!
* Jurors must understand that it is their opinion, their vote. If the Judge and the other jurors disapprove, too bad. There is no punishment for having a dissenting opinion.

We must create what we can no longer afford to wait for and end the most destructive, dysfunctional, dishonest and racist social policy since Slavery.

PLEASE VOTE TO ACQUIT!
Herbivore

Harrisonburg, VA

#35 Feb 19, 2013
love love love it....Groovy!
Dude

Spotsylvania, VA

#36 Feb 19, 2013
hitem wrote:
<quoted text>
You should see the real stats of obamas illegals in violent crime
Perpetuating more myths, neither party is in a hurry to enforce the already adequate laws. It's the game theory and you're playing into it.
Dude

Spotsylvania, VA

#37 Feb 19, 2013
Doing drugs is stupid, I get it, but so is having sex with mulitiple partners, drinking to access, or not wearing your seatbelt. At what point do we allow consenting adults to have personal responsibility for their own lives?
Dude

Spotsylvania, VA

#38 Feb 19, 2013
Malcolm Kyle wrote:
America it is time to wake up. Prohibition is a cultural and economic assault on your money, on your careers, on your ability to put food on the table, have shelter, cloth yourself, and even survive or self-medicate. The fiscal cliff isn't the crisis. Prohibitionist control over America's politics and government is.
and on your civil liberties.
.
Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it."
~ "George Bernard Shaw
Nelson

Charlottesville, VA

#39 Feb 19, 2013
Just make it Legal... People keep on saying this leads to other harsh drugs.... wrong, may lead to a large behind from the munchies... but nothing more. I know a bunch of people that smoke weeds, we are talking in their 40-50-60's and not one of them are or have used the manufactured drugs. what is the difference from a drunk or a person smoking. being drunk is much worse than smoking weed, considering most have been doing it for years. Movies really dont help this cause, showing all these people doing crazy stuff. Does not happen in the real world...

Goes back to the Nixon period.... did not know what they were talking about when it came down to the weed.
hitem

South Boston, VA

#40 Feb 19, 2013
Doesnt matter to me whats legal, I still wont use the crap, I much more enjoy being able to pay my own bills and feed my family
ding dong

Charlottesville, VA

#41 Feb 19, 2013
Wiseone wrote:
I think Virginia should follow Colorado and Washington state and make it legal so we can tax it and turn our deficit into a surplus.
Do you really think that those who profit from the pot use/sales are going to volunteer donations to the tax men?
hitem

South Boston, VA

#42 Feb 19, 2013
ding dong wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you really think that those who profit from the pot use/sales are going to volunteer donations to the tax men?
dO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY CIA MAKES ON ILLEGAL DRUGS HOW WILL THEY EVER LEGALIZE ANY DRUGS

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