Mexico shifts focus to dollars, not d...

Mexico shifts focus to dollars, not drug cartels

There are 9 comments on the The Leaf-Chronicle story from Apr 30, 2013, titled Mexico shifts focus to dollars, not drug cartels. In it, The Leaf-Chronicle reports that:

I once had a love affair with a car, and I think my mechanic was as passionate about the vehicle as... Mexican soldiers patrol the streets of Reynosa on Mexico's northeastern border with the U.S. on March 17, 2009.

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ppp3

Austin, TX

#1 May 21, 2013
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ppp3

Austin, TX

#2 May 21, 2013
how do u put it in with a car in the booty
Outraged

Chihuahua, Mexico

#3 May 21, 2013
To look the other way and not pay attention to all the violence perpetrated against the innocent people because of the almighty dollar, puts the government in the same mentality as the criminals and cartels. If neither cares then the people in the middle, the good people, the innocents are screwed.

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2013/05/armed-g...

This is happening all over Mexico. The number of people killed in Mexico over the drug wars, is I am sure ridiculously low. They do not keep good records of people killed here in Mexico. The people killed in these small villages and pueblos never make it to the computer for the tally. They are buried and forgotten. Just not by the poor families.

Take in one huey helicopter and it is over in the blink of an eye. They could rain lead down on these criminals and they would never know what hit them. They could not escape on the roads even if there vehicles were fortified. I guess it is easier for Mexico to let these people die, or try and escape North of the border. They seem to mean nothing to Mexico.

I seriously have tears when I read or hear things like this happening in these areas. I never shed a tear for the bad guys.
Outraged

Chihuahua, Mexico

#4 May 21, 2013
Not at all clueless, nuts or the other. I see it with my own eyes. I am not Mexican. These people are left stranded to deal with situations that they are not equipped to handle. If you do not agree and think my statements are nuts or clueless, then in my mind you support the killings, extortion, kidnapping and smuggling of young women for forced prostitution in Mexico. Can you imagine this happening in the USA where whole cities are taken over. Criminals go into houses, pull people out and start killing them. Literally take over the city and do as they wish. Kidnap and extort and torture and kill people and no one comes to help them.

I would like to see someone make some comments as to my post, that is not racist, like kill all Mexicans or other trash. But maybe tell me how you see it in reality. Put that reality into your situation in the USA and think about it. Show or tell me me where you disagree. I am ready to listen. We do not have to agree, but I like to listen to reason.

I do not agree with illegal trespassing into any country, if that is part of your thought process or answer. I do not know about you. But I would come to my neighbors to help them in a time of need in the USA. It is hard to do that in Mexico. It is a no win situation.
Eduardo

Mexico

#5 May 22, 2013
Fine!

Since you live in Mexico, you might have discussed about the presidential campaign of 2012 and what it meant for the War on Drugs with some of the Mexicans around you, some of which might have mentioned the already widely spread impression that many of the people who voted for Peņa Nieto did so because they wanted the country to return to the Old PRI approach of dealing with Narcos.

What you are seeing is precisely that: Peņa Nieto putting and end to what the PRI sees as Calderon's biggest mistakes during his presidential term in an already unpopular war and taking the approach those who voted for him expected.

If you take a taxi cab or go to a grocery store here in Northern Mexico, you might end up talking with the driver or shopkeeper telling you about how they should just kill the Narcos, torture them and kill them, or parachute them to North Korea to force Kim Jong-Un to waste bullets. And yet that posture doesn't seem to resonate with any politician or with the activists, for that matter, some of which even insist on portraying the Narcos as victims of the circumstances.
Concerned

Chihuahua, Mexico

#6 May 22, 2013
I agree with you!

Many of them voted because they wanted a free card for Soriana to buy groceries. I heard them swearing and yelling at the store as they found none of the cards had any money on them and many were told they had about $27.50 when in fact they had $7.50 One man yelled obscenities at Pena because he felt he had been had. He had accumulated $27.50 in groceries but had to have them take many back to the shelves.$27.50 in Northern Mexico as you know is a lot of money for some people here. It can represent 2 days worth of work!

Not all people voted for Pena you know. I have read that the violence is worse in some newspapers. I read that there were more killings in the first 3 months under Pena. I am seeing killings here in Chihuahua at a furious pace. Five car dealers killed the other day. Friends that are being extorted as I write.

Sometimes we blame things on Presidents that really were not their fault. It was something in the making that just happened when they took office? From all the readings I am keeping up on the killings are about greed and as things got bigger the people splintered and things got worse. Was it really Calderon's fault or just a natural progression? These killings were happening before Calderon. They just seemed to get worse after he took office. More greed maybe?

In the USA groups are killing each other over corners and blocks they feel are theirs to rule over. The President has nothing to do with that. I can see that happening here. The problem is that there is so much money to be made that they do not need to kill each other. They do not need to take over pueblos and kill people like is happening now. They do not need to extort and kidnap and smuggle people for prostitution or money. But they do. Is that Calderon's fault. The kidnappings in Mexico City them the kidnapping leader of the world before Calderon and still ongoing.

To go back to s status where everyone is ruled by Narco's and they own the plazas is not much of an option. Lets see if it works. From what I see, is that the people are tired of it and are trying to take up arms against the criminals. People were extorted and kidnapped before Calderon but no one was doing anything about it. Just like now! That is not what the people want.

Do you realize how many people are being extorted in Chihuahua City and Juarez. It is off the charts. There are just more poor people that cannot make it in other job venues so they resort to crime. They are not prepared for anything else educationally. Just like uneducated poor people in the USA or anywhere are more apt to lean toward crime.

Yes they are victims, but many times it is because of their culture and ideas, other times by government and many times by criminals.

It is just the same here in Mexico as it is in the USA. Some feel Pena is not doing a good job and they will return to their old ways of the PRI and others say things like you write. Who is correct? In most cases only time will tell. If the crime is being hidden and not reported then how can you accurately judge it. That is not a democratic process. That is something that China or other dictatorships would do. Leave the people in the dark and without knowledge of what is happening around them.

I cannot change anything. I just like to read and I am interested in world affairs. But more so things in North America where I live.

Appreciate the response and I see where you are coming from. Just like in the USA my family is divided by the politics. It is also the same in families here in Mexico. The battles and killings are rampant right now. I hear of up to 90 people being killed in one battle. People see the bodies laying all over, but the Narco's gather them up before a head count can be taken. That is something that just started happening in the last year or so. What change can one blame that on. I think it is just a progression of things.

I appreciate your report and your opinion. You speak the truth!
Concerned

Chihuahua, Mexico

#7 May 22, 2013
Eduardo.

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2013/05/the-war...

Read this article in it's entirety. The blueprint of what has been happening through Calderon's administration was put into place over 20 years ago. Again I think that the things that are happening then were just a form of progression of things that were going to happen and are happening now no matter who was or is in in power. You even had governments, cities, police and soldiers that supported different cartels back then. They were actually involved in the killings and protecting the cartels. Not something I would look forward to going back to. It has just gotten bigger and more people wanted in, in my opinion. Just greed!

I have had friends and hung out in Tijuana for about 20 years. I knew of what was happening back then.
Eduardo

Mexico

#8 May 22, 2013
I never said I supported Peņa Nieto, personally I have the impression that he is of below average intelligence but is surrounded by advisers in charge of preventing him from doing or saying something really stupid, like what happened with Vicente Fox every now and then (God, I miss those gaffes).
When it came to security I didn't like any of the options presented by the candidates so I voted based on their views of economy. I mean, I don't understand that if we already call it "war" and have the army and navy deployed then why we don't treat the Narcos as enemy combatants instead of violent criminals.
And the murder rate didn't grow just a little, it grew threefold from 8 to 24. I did run some months ago into some outdated murder rate statistics from before the drug war that some Americans were using to troll Russians selling them the false idea that Mexico, in the middle of the Drug War, has a lower murder rate than Russia (we used to but not anymore).
Concerned

Chihuahua, Mexico

#9 May 22, 2013
Eduardo wrote:
I never said I supported Peņa Nieto, personally I have the impression that he is of below average intelligence but is surrounded by advisers in charge of preventing him from doing or saying something really stupid, like what happened with Vicente Fox every now and then (God, I miss those gaffes).
When it came to security I didn't like any of the options presented by the candidates so I voted based on their views of economy. I mean, I don't understand that if we already call it "war" and have the army and navy deployed then why we don't treat the Narcos as enemy combatants instead of violent criminals.
And the murder rate didn't grow just a little, it grew threefold from 8 to 24. I did run some months ago into some outdated murder rate statistics from before the drug war that some Americans were using to troll Russians selling them the false idea that Mexico, in the middle of the Drug War, has a lower murder rate than Russia (we used to but not anymore).


Man you really are hitting it on the head. I really see everything pretty much as you do. Interesting about the Russia sell! I was did not know that happened, but I do now! That is what is great about talking. You learn more all the time. Vicente must be like George Bush or Joe Biden. They have said some pretty over the top stuff that made you wonder why they just said something. Bush in my opinion is head over heals more intelligent then Biden however.

I was in Juarez on Saturday for business. In about 10 minutes I see a gas station that must be their normal fill station. Coming up the streets with lights and sirens are the police in their blue and white trucks. They were flying and they were about 12 in a row. It made me feel a little uneasy about being there. I have never seen so many police in one spot. The Mexican guy that I was with said corupto's. Then went into a barrage of nothing good to say about them.

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